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Who is Katie Hopkins?0
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Who is Katie Hopkins?
Wind up merchant, internet troll, delusional narcissist, committed Christian.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19656935#p19656935]the article don[/url] wrote:
Seriously, Rick, the moderator of this forum knows Frenchie in real life and knows that he's not entirely serious. So stop taking the bait. Fishes have more awareness. If your going to take the bait be amusing about it.
For all his nonsense at times, I know that Frenchie loves cycling and has odd, intransient opinions. He's hilarious if you don't take him seriously.You are not on my block list, neither is rich (and he never has been).
Be that as it may, just blocking anyone and everyone who contends said nonsense is pretty juvenile.
Why does someone who’s apparently religious, utterly obsessive, and anti-equality...
I think listing the word "religious" as a derogatory term is rather "anti-equality" don't you?
Not really. Colour, sexuality, sex etc are born, being religious is just plain stupidity and can be addressed by a little rational thinking in the same way that being a scientologist or a member of the Ku Klux Klan can be.
Shaky ground. So you've got a Muslim work colleague observing Ramadan, for example, but you don't show any respect because his beliefs are, to quote, "just plain stupidity". That's called intolerance, pure and simple.
Are you not the one who believes there's hidden motors in bikes and that basically the whole peloton is doped? Now these are views I would categorise as "just plain stupidity".Giant Trance X 2010
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She was originally a contestant on The Apprentice, on which she got a lot of attention for being controversial, which she translated into a very successful media career as a professional wind-up merchant. She has a column in The Sun and is a regular on This Morning amongst other things. You'd never catch her saying anything sensible or considered - because that's not what she's hired for. .Who is Katie Hopkins?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_HopkinsTwitter: @RichN950 -
What bothers me, the most, about this whole Witch hunt is the double standards being displayed by the main finger pointers in the media.
One word: Vayer.
One comparison: Thibault Pinot breaking known dopers climbing record on the Rettenbachfurner.
His excuse: Tailwind.
The two respective calculations: Both massaged.
Bottom line: Near identical outputs, both had a tailwind."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Has anyone got a link to the South African Scientists site who posts on sport science ?
Also, does Anton Vayer (tin foil hatter in chief) have a relevant scientific qualification ?
Mr 90% Ross Tucker http://sportsscientists.com/
The guys are scientists in the same way as vaccine denying Wakefield is a scientist.
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All of which puts me in mind of one of Iain Banks jokes which involves a journalist having an affair with Lachlan Murdoch because he was desperate to get a column in the son....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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She was originally a contestant on The Apprentice, on which she got a lot of attention for being controversial, which she translated into a very successful media career as a professional wind-up merchant. She has a column in The Sun and is a regular on This Morning amongst other things. You'd never catch her saying anything sensible or considered - because that's not what she's hired for. .Who is Katie Hopkins?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins
Interviewed by Jon Ronson in Saturday's Grauniad, not bothered reading it but I suspect that he concludes that she's a psycho.0 -
This is probably the best article you will read the power debate and the science of it.
https://drmarkburnley.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/data-transparency-in-cycling-necessary-utopian-and-a-complete-can-of-worms/
Just the facts and the maths and almost nothing about Froome himself.Twitter: @RichN950 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19657182#p19657182]the article don[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19656935#p19656935]the article don[/url] wrote:
Seriously, Rick, the moderator of this forum knows Frenchie in real life and knows that he's not entirely serious. So stop taking the bait. Fishes have more awareness. If your going to take the bait be amusing about it.
For all his nonsense at times, I know that Frenchie loves cycling and has odd, intransient opinions. He's hilarious if you don't take him seriously.You are not on my block list, neither is rich (and he never has been).
Be that as it may, just blocking anyone and everyone who contends said nonsense is pretty juvenile.
Why does someone who’s apparently religious, utterly obsessive, and anti-equality...
I think listing the word "religious" as a derogatory term is rather "anti-equality" don't you?
Not really. Colour, sexuality, sex etc are born, being religious is just plain stupidity and can be addressed by a little rational thinking in the same way that being a scientologist or a member of the Ku Klux Klan can be.
Shaky ground. So you've got a Muslim work colleague observing Ramadan, for example, but you don't show any respect because his beliefs are, to quote, "just plain stupidity". That's called intolerance, pure and simple.
Are you not the one who believes there's hidden motors in bikes and that basically the whole peloton is doped? Now these are views I would categorise as "just plain stupidity".
I live in a heavily muslim area, and as I said, each to his own, but if someone wants to have a conversation about god (of any type) then count me out as I will say it as I see it. What I have said is not anti-muslim, and I'm not quite sure why you have mentioned muslim in fact, as my post was about there being no god, not discriminating between those who believe in their god.0 -
She was originally a contestant on The Apprentice, on which she got a lot of attention for being controversial, which she translated into a very successful media career as a professional wind-up merchant. She has a column in The Sun and is a regular on This Morning amongst other things. You'd never catch her saying anything sensible or considered - because that's not what she's hired for. .Who is Katie Hopkins?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins
That's why I haven't heard of her then as I don't watch The Apprentice, nor This Morning, nor do I read The Sun.0 -
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This is probably the best article you will read the power debate and the science of it.
https://drmarkburnley.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/data-transparency-in-cycling-necessary-utopian-and-a-complete-can-of-worms/
Just the facts and the maths and almost nothing about Froome himself.
Part of my dissertation focused on triangulating anti-doping testing with the biological passport and power output. LeMond and Vayer are big proponents of this method. Funnily enough when I used it LeMond is pretty much the last definite clean Tour winner. Can't remember if I included anyone past Landis mind you."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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This is probably the best article you will read the power debate and the science of it.
https://drmarkburnley.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/data-transparency-in-cycling-necessary-utopian-and-a-complete-can-of-worms/
Just the facts and the maths and almost nothing about Froome himself.
I do wonder how cretins like Digger et al try and respond to this.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
i am beginning to think that Froome's Ventoux 2013 hack/leak (considering the perfectly "normal" numbers) was deliberate from Froome and/or Sky. I think they perhaps thought (wrongly) it would nip "suspicious" speculation in the bud.
Wasn't Digger's response to the hack "motor!!"?
I could not believe when i saw some numpty on twitter - who claimed to have spent 20 years as a coach - saying that Froome's HR data was "rediculously unbelievable."0 -
Frenchhfighter's wifeWho is Katie Hopkins?0 -
If you want to understand where the French piss-throwers get their inspiration from: http://www.francetvsport.fr/tour-de-france/l-enquete-de-stade-2-sur-chris-froome-et-les-reponse-de-dave-brailsford-290301
Stade 2, weekly sports magazine on French public television on Sunday, had Pierre Sallet use lots of nice 'scientific' imagery and language to come to 7.04 w/kg for Froome on Pierre St Martin, based on a race weight of 71 kg!, with nice added suggestive images of Armstrong, Ullrich, sombre music, the lot.
The French media onslaught this year is relentless. I've read some suspicions and suggestions in Belgian and Ducth media, but normally weighted against counter-arguments and fairly balanced. The French media seem particularly vitriolic this year. Imagine what it'd be like if Froome would be leading against Pinot or Bardet in 2nd....0 -
If you want to understand where the French piss-throwers get their inspiration from: http://www.francetvsport.fr/tour-de-france/l-enquete-de-stade-2-sur-chris-froome-et-les-reponse-de-dave-brailsford-290301
Stade 2, weekly sports magazine on French public television on Sunday, had Pierre Sallet use lots of nice 'scientific' imagery and language to come to 7.04 w/kg for Froome on Pierre St Martin, based on a race weight of 71 kg!, with nice added suggestive images of Armstrong, Ullrich, sombre music, the lot.
The French media onslaught this year is relentless. I've read some suspicions and suggestions in Belgian and Ducth media, but normally weighted against counter-arguments and fairly balanced. The French media seem particularly vitriolic this year. Imagine what it'd be like if Froome would be leading against Pinot or Bardet in 2nd....
And their silence if Pinot was leading....or if someone like Jalabert was seen as an authority figure on who's doping.
Oh hang on...Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this already, but Christian Prudhomme had some strong words on the whole Pissgate/Suspicion thing:Christian Prudhomme wrote:There's a sort of frustration that many people have had for several days concerning Chris Froome's striking, outstanding victory in the first Pyreanean stage, and the fact that those who were slated as his rivals weren't up to the mark.
This frustration is worsened by the fact that the French riders we were hoping would do something were even further back, and it is then compounded by comments of certain experts or 'pseudo-experts' who ensure that newspapers, radio stations and television are full of doubts and suspicions.
There's obviously a correlation between what is said in newspapers, on the television and radio and what happens along the route. Of course, and it's a former journalist speaking here, what we write or what we say has an influence on the weakest-minded which can then lead to unacceptable behaviour.
I condemn the stigmatisation around the yellow jersey and I condemn above all incidents that have happened over the last few days. We must respect the yellow jersey and say thanks to the supporters, the vast majority, who do respect it.
Fair play.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
While Sallet may be a 'a rent an expert' (more of which later) the 7.04 W/kg was for peak power output - which is apparently for a five minute effort. He's calculated by using an extrapolation based on fairly large assumption from the overall power estimate of the climb - 5.98 W/kg (about the same as Pinot and Peraud did on some similar climbs last year). It is of course re-reported as 7.04 W/kg without that explanation by many.If you want to understand where the French piss-throwers get their inspiration from: http://www.francetvsport.fr/tour-de-france/l-enquete-de-stade-2-sur-chris-froome-et-les-reponse-de-dave-brailsford-290301
Stade 2, weekly sports magazine on French public television on Sunday, had Pierre Sallet use lots of nice 'scientific' imagery and language to come to 7.04 w/kg for Froome on Pierre St Martin, based on a race weight of 71 kg!, with nice added suggestive images of Armstrong, Ullrich, sombre music, the lot.
The French media onslaught this year is relentless. I've read some suspicions and suggestions in Belgian and Ducth media, but normally weighted against counter-arguments and fairly balanced. The French media seem particularly vitriolic this year. Imagine what it'd be like if Froome would be leading against Pinot or Bardet in 2nd....
Now to Pallet himself. It's unknown his level of expertise, but he seems not to have the respect of the scientific community. A couple of sports science Professor were mocking him on twitter last night, pointing out that in 2013 he had his expert testimony in a handball match fixing case because the judge decided he had no expertise in the field at all. He seems to be director of something called Athletes fro Transparency, for which he is the only known staff member.
Take for example Gregoire Millet - a Professor at the Lausanne institute @gregoiremillet1:
"of course, "everything is highly reliable and accepted by the scientific community" !!.. Same level of credibility than @festinaboy"
@stade2 Pierre Sallet plus crédible quand il analyse le cyclisme #TDF15 ou le #Handball ?
Here's a link to the handball case (in French): http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/11/26/annulation-d-un-rapport-d-expert-sur-le-match-cesson-montpellier_3520553_3242.htmlTwitter: @RichN950 -
He seems to be director of something called Athletes fro Transparency, for which he is the only known staff member.
Reminds me of a fellow photographer who suddenly started winning lots of awards from a new 'professional' body.
He founded it, was the sole member, yet still told clients he was award winning.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this already, but Christian Prudhomme had some strong words on the whole Pissgate/Suspicion thing:Christian Prudhomme wrote:There's a sort of frustration that many people have had for several days concerning Chris Froome's striking, outstanding victory in the first Pyreanean stage, and the fact that those who were slated as his rivals weren't up to the mark.
This frustration is worsened by the fact that the French riders we were hoping would do something were even further back, and it is then compounded by comments of certain experts or 'pseudo-experts' who ensure that newspapers, radio stations and television are full of doubts and suspicions.
There's obviously a correlation between what is said in newspapers, on the television and radio and what happens along the route. Of course, and it's a former journalist speaking here, what we write or what we say has an influence on the weakest-minded which can then lead to unacceptable behaviour.
I condemn the stigmatisation around the yellow jersey and I condemn above all incidents that have happened over the last few days. We must respect the yellow jersey and say thanks to the supporters, the vast majority, who do respect it.
Fair play.
Good to see this being said.0 -
Does anybody know Chris Froome VO2 Max test results? He must have done one, just wondered where he places next to LeMond and the rest.0
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i am beginning to think that Froome's Ventoux 2013 hack/leak (considering the perfectly "normal" numbers) was deliberate from Froome and/or Sky. I think they perhaps thought (wrongly) it would nip "suspicious" speculation in the bud.
Wasn't Digger's response to the hack "motor!!"?
I could not believe when i saw some numpty on twitter - who claimed to have spent 20 years as a coach - saying that Froome's HR data was "rediculously unbelievable."
If it was a deliberate leak, the 1000W spike would be a good marker to see if the intended target had taken the bait.0 -
I've seen plenty of riders on twitter condemning what is happening. Granted not the top top riders but there is not silence on that matter.The big-name riders should also take a stand. Of course they won’t.0 -
He did one at the World Cycling Centre in 2007. He says it was mid 80s then. It will probably have risen since with training and maturity. He hasn't done one since though. It's not really as useful statisitc - it indicates potential and little else. As Michael Hutchinson likes to point out, his peaked at 90 and he was fairly average (his assessment of his career).Does anybody know Chris Froome VO2 Max test results? He must have done one, just wondered where he places next to LeMond and the rest.Twitter: @RichN950 -
He did one at the World Cycling Centre in 2007. He says it was mid 80s then. It will probably have risen since with training and maturity. He hasn't done one since though. It's not really as useful statisitc - it indicates potential and little else. As Michael Hutchinson likes to point out, his peaked at 90 and he was fairly average (his assessment of his career).Does anybody know Chris Froome VO2 Max test results? He must have done one, just wondered where he places next to LeMond and the rest.
Cheers Rich.0 -
While Sallet may be a 'a rent an expert' (more of which later) the 7.04 W/kg was for peak power output - which is apparently for a five minute effort. He's calculated by using an extrapolation based on fairly large assumption from the overall power estimate of the climb - 5.98 W/kg (about the same as Pinot and Peraud did on some similar climbs last year). It is of course re-reported as 7.04 W/kg without that explanation by many.If you want to understand where the French piss-throwers get their inspiration from: http://www.francetvsport.fr/tour-de-france/l-enquete-de-stade-2-sur-chris-froome-et-les-reponse-de-dave-brailsford-290301
Stade 2, weekly sports magazine on French public television on Sunday, had Pierre Sallet use lots of nice 'scientific' imagery and language to come to 7.04 w/kg for Froome on Pierre St Martin, based on a race weight of 71 kg!, with nice added suggestive images of Armstrong, Ullrich, sombre music, the lot.
The French media onslaught this year is relentless. I've read some suspicions and suggestions in Belgian and Ducth media, but normally weighted against counter-arguments and fairly balanced. The French media seem particularly vitriolic this year. Imagine what it'd be like if Froome would be leading against Pinot or Bardet in 2nd....
Now to Pallet himself. It's unknown his level of expertise, but he seems not to have the respect of the scientific community. A couple of sports science Professor were mocking him on twitter last night, pointing out that in 2013 he had his expert testimony in a handball match fixing case because the judge decided he had no expertise in the field at all. He seems to be director of something called Athletes fro Transparency, for which he is the only known staff member.
Take for example Gregoire Millet - a Professor at the Lausanne institute @gregoiremillet1:
"of course, "everything is highly reliable and accepted by the scientific community" !!.. Same level of credibility than @festinaboy"
@stade2 Pierre Sallet plus crédible quand il analyse le cyclisme #TDF15 ou le #Handball ?
Here's a link to the handball case (in French): http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article/2013/11/26/annulation-d-un-rapport-d-expert-sur-le-match-cesson-montpellier_3520553_3242.html
Google translate seems to work OK
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Fsport%2Farticle%2F2013%2F11%2F26%2Fannulation-d-un-rapport-d-expert-sur-le-match-cesson-montpellier_3520553_3242.html0 -
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Cheers.0
