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Are sky clean or not?

SkyLimitSkyLimit Posts: 33
edited August 2016 in Pro race
What does this forum think?
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  • hommelbierhommelbier Posts: 1,518
    You would probably be made quite welcome over at the Clinic
  • SkyLimitSkyLimit Posts: 33
    You would probably be made quite welcome over at the Clinic

    I already know what they think. I'm wondering about this forum.
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 6,261
    edited July 2015
    Yeah I think they are clean - I can see why you ask the question as if Astana had done what Sky had done today it'd be used as further evidence they are juiced - but of course Astana have previous so it's not unreasonable to assume the worst of them and give Sky the benefit of any doubt.
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  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,763
    You will literally never know. You might know one day if they're dirty. It's not really a good question to ask if you have any intention of enjoying cycling (or any other sport).
  • iainf72iainf72 Posts: 15,782
    I think most people would say they don't know, but they've not seen any evidence to make them believe it is the case.

    That's what I'd tend to think.
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  • joelsimjoelsim Posts: 7,552
    I'm pretty sure there is no team doping at Sky. That doesn't mean to say that all their riders are clean. Sky are happy to push the boundaries on legal or not yet outlawed methods, which could be perceived as unethical.
  • adr82adr82 Posts: 4,002
    I think they're clean, and I'd want a hell of a lot more evidence than the pseudoscience (that's a kind description) floating around on Twitter to convince me otherwise.
  • SkyLimitSkyLimit Posts: 33
    Yeah I think they are clean - I can see why you ask the question as if Astana had done what Sky had done today it'd be used as further evidence they are juiced - but of course Astana have previous so it's not unreasonable to make an assume the worst of them and give Sky the benefit of any doubt.

    I think what sky did today was even more dominant than what Astana did.
  • TurfleTurfle Posts: 3,762
    I hope so.

    Other than riding their bikes really fast I've seen nothing to persuade me otherwise.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 9,087
    I hope so and I'd like to think so. I've not seen anything particularly damming.

    But you couldn't be too surprised if they later turned out to be doing something (same goes for any team really).
  • SkyLimitSkyLimit Posts: 33
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,416
    Given pro cyclings history it would be naive to think so; by the same token it's a level playing field.
  • iainf72iainf72 Posts: 15,782
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.

    Lets put this in perspective. Froome won a mountain stage by 60 seconds.

    He put 2:22 in Tony Gallopin. Isn't that exactly what you'd expect?

    Teams have been dominating for ages. 86 TdF everyone gets a censored about top 10

    Rank Name Team Time
    1 Greg LeMond (USA) Jersey yellow.svgJersey yellow number.svg La Vie Claire 110h 35' 19"
    2 Bernard Hinault (FRA) Polka dot jerseyJersey yellow number.svg La Vie Claire +3' 10"
    3 Urs Zimmermann (SUI) Carrera-Inoxpran +10' 54"
    4 Andrew Hampsten (USA) Jersey white.svgJersey yellow number.svg La Vie Claire +18' 44"
    5 Claude Criquielion (BEL) Hitachi-Marc-Splendor +24' 36"
    6 Ronan Pensec (FRA) Peugeot-Shell +25' 59"
    7 Niki Rüttimann (SUI) Jersey yellow number.svg La Vie Claire +30' 52"
    8 Álvaro Pino (ESP) Zor-BH +33' 00"
    9 Steven Rooks (NED) PDM-Concorde +33' 22"
    10 Yvon Madiot (FRA) Système U +33' 27"

    That's right, 4 people from same team in top 10. Funnily enough La Vie Claire were also a team that concentrated on team make up and focusing on details.
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  • joelsimjoelsim Posts: 7,552
    Yeah I think they are clean - I can see why you ask the question as if Astana had done what Sky had done today it'd be used as further evidence they are juiced - but of course Astana have previous so it's not unreasonable to make an assume the worst of them and give Sky the benefit of any doubt.

    I think what sky did today was even more dominant than what Astana did.

    Or is what Astana aren't doing since nighttime testing became a threat?
  • TurfleTurfle Posts: 3,762
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.

    Yes, he did. He routinely won by over 7 minutes.

    Nibali won last year by over 7 and a half minutes.
  • SkyLimitSkyLimit Posts: 33
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.

    Yes, he did. He routinely won by over 7 minutes.

    Nibali won last year by over 7 and a half minutes.

    Does anyone actually think Nibali won clean? Nibali and Armstrong didn't have teammates finishing second either.
  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,661
    We have to assume they are clean, we have to believe that the UCI are testing them (and all riders) regularly and the tests are stringent. Otherwise the sport is no different to the armstrong era.

    The next few days will be very interesting. Today froome was unbelievable & others had 'bad' days. That said, to win with such ease was a surprise to everyone I think, even if he has looked mighty strong so far this tour.

    If he is as dominant tomorrow and in the alps, and continues to win stages by such margins, then I imagine suspicions will really grow.

    Although I want to believe he is clean.

    What I'm sad about tonight is the tour is seemingly over after stage 10 :cry:
  • RonBRonB Posts: 3,984
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.

    Yes he did, and I don't regard it as being easy.

    Froome is in the form of his life right now, with an outstanding team built around him and the GC. He has clearly learned that he might have off days (see S16-20 of 2013) so he will try to max his advantage when he has the chance.

    With all this going on he beat his main rival by just over a minute. Great performance? Sure, but not "unbelievable" to me.
  • TurfleTurfle Posts: 3,762
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.

    Yes, he did. He routinely won by over 7 minutes.

    Nibali won last year by over 7 and a half minutes.

    Does anyone actually think Nibali won clean? Nibali and Armstrong didn't have teammates finishing second either.

    Why ask if your response is going to be "he probably wasn't clean so he doesn't count"?

    Armstrong routinely had teammates finish up there on mountain stages and on GC. Hamilton, Heras, Acevedo
  • MacaloonMacaloon Posts: 5,545
    You would probably be made quite welcome over at the Clinic

    I already know what they think. I'm wondering about this forum.

    Do you think the Ventoux File and today's 6.1w/kg estimate are clear evidence of doping?
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  • silverpigeonsilverpigeon Posts: 327
    I'm pretty sure there is no team doping at Sky. That doesn't mean to say that all their riders are clean. Sky are happy to push the boundaries on legal or not yet outlawed methods, which could be perceived as unethical.

    Oooh that sounds interesting. Such as what?
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,209
    When was the last time a team dominated this much? Not even Armstrong won this easily.

    Yes, he did. He routinely won by over 7 minutes.

    Nibali won last year by over 7 and a half minutes.

    Does anyone actually think Nibali won clean? Nibali and Armstrong didn't have teammates finishing second either.
    Armstrong had Heras. On today's courses he would be on the podium, but back then they had 100k of time trialing. Hamilton was second in the Giro and Landis 'won' the Tour. I think even Azevedo was fifth one year.

    Bear in mind that prior to Sky, Porte was best young rider at the Giro, Konig had a Tour and Vuelta top ten, Roche two Vuelta top tens and Poels had finished second up the Angliru. They have money and spend it better than most. Those four probably cost what Tinkoff spends on Sagan.
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  • professeurprofesseur Posts: 232
    I'm assuming they are technically clean (certainly not running a doping program) but do push the envelope, as others have alluded to. Rather like the Red Bull F1 team (but not this years!)
  • hammeritehammerite Posts: 3,408
    I'm probably going to be naïve enough to say that a team as aligned to a sports national governing body as Sky is, whose previous president is now president of the UCI, is probably going to be clean.

    What I'm wondering though SkyLimit is why you have come here to find out what people on this forum think? When you seem to want to argue and persuade people on here otherwise. Do you really want to find out what we think?
  • hammeritehammerite Posts: 3,408
    I'm probably going to be naïve enough to say that a team as aligned to a sports national governing body as Sky is, whose previous president is now president of the UCI, is probably going to be clean.

    What I'm wondering though SkyLimit is why you have come here to find out what people on this forum think? When you seem to want to argue and persuade people on here otherwise. Do you really want to find out what we think?

    I think it's naïve to believe in professional sport, history says as much, whether it's doping, cheating or bribery. Sky will be more protected than most, Murdoch has means...

    Ah the Murdoch conspiracy... :roll:
  • disgruntledgoatdisgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    I'm probably going to be naïve enough to say that a team as aligned to a sports national governing body as Sky is, whose previous president is now president of the UCI, is probably going to be clean.

    What I'm wondering though SkyLimit is why you have come here to find out what people on this forum think? When you seem to want to argue and persuade people on here otherwise. Do you really want to find out what we think?

    I think it's naïve to believe in professional sport, history says as much, whether it's doping, cheating or bribery. Sky will be more protected than most, Murdoch has means...

    In that case why do they make such enormous PR howlers? And Murdoch would be better placed using his nefarious "means" to make sure that, oh I don;t know, he doesn't have to close down a long running sunday edition and have his executive team dragged through the courts for years than preventing some bad publicity for cyclists.

    Be serious.
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  • kleinstrokerkleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    I am a world renowned doctor and I can say with 100% certainty that they are clean.

    There... no need to worry any more!
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 24,209
    I'm probably going to be naïve enough to say that a team as aligned to a sports national governing body as Sky is, whose previous president is now president of the UCI, is probably going to be clean.

    What I'm wondering though SkyLimit is why you have come here to find out what people on this forum think? When you seem to want to argue and persuade people on here otherwise. Do you really want to find out what we think?

    I think it's naïve to believe in professional sport, history says as much, whether it's doping, cheating or bribery. Sky will be more protected than most, Murdoch has means...
    You are racist, homophobic and misogonistic.

    History says so, because for centuries, white males (assuming you are one) have been. Would it be naive to think you aren't? Or do you deserve to be judged on your own merits?
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  • ProssPross Posts: 25,023
    What I'm wondering though SkyLimit is why you have come here to find out what people on this forum think? When you seem to want to argue and persuade people on here otherwise. Do you really want to find out what we think?

    Exactly, couldn't be a more obvious troll if he had a warty nose and lived under a bridge. Today has certainly flushed them out in force in a way that a dominant performance by only one team is able.
  • fredmacfredmac Posts: 83
    We have to assume they are clean


    Stopped reading here.
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