TdF 2015 Stage 10 Tarbes to Pierre-Saint-Martin **SPOILERS**
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Tremendous ride by TWENTY TWO year old Yates. Absolutely stunning. Barguil did a superb ride as well especially given he crashed hard.
Contador in rested form wouldn't have taken time out of Froome today I don't think but he would definitely be less than a minute down. He couldn't even climb out the saddle much today due to all the lactic acid, something you know is completely foreign to Contador. I really hope he can find his in form legs and make a real go for it.
Aggressive riding from Froome which needs to be commended I suppose despite the huge kick in the balls in terms of Sky's form compared to the entire field, completely and utterly different level for their three guys to finish like that, especially as G could easily have dropped those he was with.
Really hoping Froome has a regular day and an off-day so that I can restore some credibility in my head.
G would be second on GC right now had he not been working for totally for Froome today and on the Muur stage.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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I think Konig has been earmarked for a more defensive role. Chugging on the front over the mountains alongside Roche.Slightly disappointed by Konig and Poels today though.
I believe I predicted that Sky may use a sort of squad rotation system with the different riders used on different stages. I think Konig will be to the fore over the Tourmalet tomorrow.Twitter: @RichN950 -
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He's been around on these forums for years. He's not a newbie like 'professeur' and 'SkyLimit'Twitter: @RichN950 -
Agree with that, want to see some proper mountain duels this tour.I really hope he can find his in form legs and make a real go for it.0 -
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He's been around on these forums for years. He's not a newbie like 'professeur' and 'SkyLimit'
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Froome's average speed up that mountain was faster than the times set by:
Hamilton, 2003 Millar, Virenque, Riis, Ullrich, Rominger, Indurain, Piepoli, Salvodelli, Chiappucci, Boogerd
Illustrious list.
Interesting. Since it's the first time it's been used as a finish is it fair to assume they weren't drilling it the other times? I don't know I haven't watched them so can you help us out here?0 -
Sorry to bring context back into things.... Was it my imagination, or was that some beautiful fresh, clean smooth tarmac they rode up?
Movistar gave Sky a free ride for half the climb, Contador and Nibali confirmed suspicions of the first week that they didn't have it this year, got dropped when Movistar were still on the front (of about 20 odd riders). Sky were gifted the climb, pretty much. Cranked it up until only Porte, Quintana and Froome left, then Froome took 1 minute from the second best climber in the peloton.
No big deal.
When did 6.09 W/KG become the new 6.7 W/KG?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Why? For having different opinions?Sweepstakes on how long it takes Vino'sGhost to get banned anybody?
He's been around on these forums for years. He's not a newbie like 'professeur' and 'SkyLimit'
Thank you
Still a bloody pain in the arse though ;-)Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I posted the profiles earlier in the thread.Froome's average speed up that mountain was faster than the times set by:
Hamilton, 2003 Millar, Virenque, Riis, Ullrich, Rominger, Indurain, Piepoli, Salvodelli, Chiappucci, Boogerd
Illustrious list.
Interesting. Since it's the first time it's been used as a finish is it fair to assume they weren't drilling it the other times? I don't know I haven't watched them so can you help us out here?
In 1996, the summit was 150k from the finish
In 2003, the summit was 130k from the finish
In 2006, the summit was 90k from the finish
It's typical internet 'science'. Ignoring all context.
As I said earlier, in 2003 Tyler Hamilton rode up it at the same speed as Quintana today. He then rode another 130km, mostly solo, including another similar climb at a similar rate. It was in week three and he had a broken collarbone.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Why? For having different opinions?Sweepstakes on how long it takes Vino'sGhost to get banned anybody?
He's been around on these forums for years. He's not a newbie like 'professeur' and 'SkyLimit'
Thank you
Still a bloody pain in the ars* though ;-)
pffffft
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No tA Doctor wrote:...Cranked it up until only Porte, Quintana and Froome left, then Froome took 1 minute from the second best climber in the peloton...
Can Toblerone Boy borrow that description it might help his BMC negotiations?
Correlation is not causation.0 -
I thought direct insults usually went down pretty badly on here (even pretty tame ones). Specially to fairly reasonable posts.
Why? For having different opinions?Sweepstakes on how long it takes Vino'sGhost to get banned anybody?
He's been around on these forums for years. He's not a newbie like 'professeur' and 'SkyLimit'
Nothing wrong with having different opinions.0 -
I posted the profiles earlier in the thread.Froome's average speed up that mountain was faster than the times set by:
Hamilton, 2003 Millar, Virenque, Riis, Ullrich, Rominger, Indurain, Piepoli, Salvodelli, Chiappucci, Boogerd
Illustrious list.
Interesting. Since it's the first time it's been used as a finish is it fair to assume they weren't drilling it the other times? I don't know I haven't watched them so can you help us out here?
In 1996, the summit was 150k from the finish
In 2003, the summit was 130k from the finish
In 2006, the summit was 90k from the finish
It's typical internet 'science'. Ignoring all context.
As I said earlier, in 2003 Tyler Hamilton rode up it at the same speed as Quintana today. He then rode another 130km, mostly solo, including another similar climb at a similar rate. It was in week three and he had a broken collarbone.
That was doping the proper way ahhhhhhhh those were the days.0 -
I actually hadn't noticed Gesink hang on for 4th. That's a heck of a ride from him.0
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Froome's average speed up that mountain was faster than the times set by:
Hamilton, 2003 Millar, Virenque, Riis, Ullrich, Rominger, Indurain, Piepoli, Salvodelli, Chiappucci, Boogerd
Illustrious list.
Interesting. Since it's the first time it's been used as a finish is it fair to assume they weren't drilling it the other times? I don't know I haven't watched them so can you help us out here?
There are some route profiles higher up in this particular topic that make the point pretty well - generally there has been a lot of racing to come when they've hit it previously, and it's unlikely anyone was going flat out.0 -
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As I said earlier, in 2003 Tyler Hamilton rode up it at the same speed as Quintana today. He then rode another 130km, mostly solo, including another similar climb at a similar rate. It was in week three and he had a broken collarbone.
That was doping the proper way ahhhhhhhh those were the days.
I still maintain that Hamilton's performance in that Tour is one of the most staggering things I've seen in any sport. Even knowing that it was entirely doped - and industrially so - can't quite erode my disbelief.0 -
Sorry to bring context back into things.... Was it my imagination, or was that some beautiful fresh, clean smooth tarmac they rode up?
I had a similar thought at around the point Valverde first attacked - but then I ride up in Yorkshire, so everything's smooth in comparison...0 -
That ride by Hamilton was one of the great doped rides. Even knowing that he was juiced up, it was a magnificent effort.
That was doping the proper way ahhhhhhhh those were the days.
Edit: I see underlay has said the same already.Twitter: @RichN950 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19651983#p19651983]underlayunderlay[/url] wrote:Sorry to bring context back into things.... Was it my imagination, or was that some beautiful fresh, clean smooth tarmac they rode up?
I had a similar thought at around the point Valverde first attacked - but then I ride up in Yorkshire, so everything's smooth in comparison...
To be fair, the Danish commentators pointed it out to me. Whole climb was resurfaced recently.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Yet most of that time came on the AdH stage where Froome bonked, and then he lost another 30-odd seconds in the last 1k or so of the penultimate MTF at Semnoz when it was clear he'd won already. Even Purito dropped him that day. Hardly showing Quintana was a level above Froome. Certainly comparable to him, quite possibly better on his day, but not a class apart.Well, because in 2013 he beat Froome by around a minute if you don’t count the climbs where he was riding as a domestique for Valverde. That was in his first Tour.
He won that Giro with Uran as his nearest rival. Look where Uran finished today. He's not quite a top-tier GC rider, is he? On the Stelvio stage where Quintana jumped into the lead, Hesjedal was able to stick with him until the last k if I remember correctly. As before, great performance but not the sort that suggests he can breezily ride away from everyone on demand whenever the road goes up.Last year he won the Giro before crashing in the Vuelta and this year he beat Contador by around a minute in the queen stage of Tirreno before concentrating on the Tour. I personally rate him very highly as a pure climber and he’s only going to get better.
Aside from all that, Quintana isn't immune from fluctuations in form like everyone else. If he's not quite 100% or had a bad day today, is it so hard to believe he's going to drop time? Again, not disputing his credentials as an excellent pure climber, but the gap between him and someone like an in-form Froome is simply not wide enough that he can be below par and still expect to outperform them.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19651868#p19651868]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I'm probably blocked by those that always know the truth and look down on those with different views and experiences; which is a shame because Id like to come back in the future and receive an apology when the truth is out.
So under what circumstances do those who disagree with you get their apology?
well its impossible to prove i was wrong until either time itself ends or I suddenly find that 20 years of cynicism are washed away with a tsunami sized wave of suspension of disbelief and coupled with a desperate need to believe.
Should either of these things happen and i have an epiphany I shall make this my first port of call
The moral low ground? Nice one!
Do you believe Merckx + Hinault won due to doping? If not, why not?
Err he was doping with "paniagua"
I don't understand what you mean. Do you think Hinault was doping? Do you believe Merckx was doping?0 -
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That's hilarious - according to his own calculations Nibali was climbing better than in 2014 than Froome in 2013, not to mention better than Armstrong in 2 of his 7 winning years (according to the ridiculous "average power" figures). Then he goes on to say he thinks Nibali has even more in the tank! That's "even more" than 5.99W/kg, apparently unremarkable and not worthy of further comment... yet today they're going apesh*t because (they've calculated) Froome managed slightly more than that on a single climb, not even the average of all the climbs in the Tour! Insanity at work.Cycling's David Icke sums it up: 90% certainty that Froome is doping. Fabulous.
https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/with_replies
Guess who was his pick to win the Tour ?
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/07/who-wins-the-2015-tour-de-france/
He would be better off opening a stall in Johannesburg selling tin foil hats...0 -
That ride by Hamilton was one of the great doped rides. Even knowing that he was juiced up, it was a magnificent effort.
That was doping the proper way ahhhhhhhh those were the days.
Edit: I see underlay has said the same already.
i thought the epic testosterone rage of Floyd Landis was pretty cool too. in fact the bit where he looked like he was going to punch his mechanic was a classic0 -
That's hilarious - according to his own calculations Nibali was climbing better than in 2014 than Froome in 2013, not to mention better than Armstrong in 2 of his 7 winning years (according to the ridiculous "average power" figures). Then he goes on to say he thinks Nibali has even more in the tank! That's "even more" than 5.99W/kg, apparently unremarkable and not worthy of further comment... yet today they're going apesh*t because (they've calculated) Froome managed slightly more than that on a single climb, not even the average of all the climbs in the Tour! Insanity at work.Cycling's David Icke sums it up: 90% certainty that Froome is doping. Fabulous.
https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/with_replies
Guess who was his pick to win the Tour ?
http://sportsscientists.com/2015/07/who-wins-the-2015-tour-de-france/
He would be better off opening a stall in Johannesburg selling tin foil hats...
Genius.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBrKxF3bnUYNo tA Doctor wrote:...Cranked it up until only Porte, Quintana and Froome left, then Froome took 1 minute from the second best climber in the peloton...
Can Toblerone Boy borrow that description it might help his BMC negotiations?0 -
A few people on twitter may be arguing Froome is suspect but I'm not convinced they are really setting the agenda amongst cycling fans in general to the extent they seem to do so on here.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
