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Some professions require you disclose criminal convictions whether they are spent or not. One might think that being an MP might require that disclosure.
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Frem memory, the main point about gas is that a decarbonised grid reduces exposure to the volatility in gas prices.
The report is extremely ambitious to put it mildly, but it is an issue that needs big dreams. Trying, but failing to achieve decarbonisation by 2030, is not failure in my book. Dithering is.
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That's not taking the story as she tells it, but putting your own spin on it. One of the, unsubstantiated rumours that has come out is that she was moaning about having an out of date work phone compared to her peers. In which case it seems unlikely that she'd use her newly rediscovered phone for personal gain.
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Absolutely, but I'm not sure picking the most favourable estimates for future costs helps the argument in the long run. Personally, I think the costs of not decarbonising are massively understated because they are atomised over millions of relatively small costs to indivuals.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Is she your sister or something?
I haven't put any spin on the story. She reports her phone stolen and gets a replacement. Some time later she uses the "stolen" phone to call her relatives. Her employer realises the phone is live and she is using it and the matter gets reported to the police. She gives a "no comment" interview, offering no credible explanation and eventually pleads guilty. Where's the spin? The story as she tells it is half truth and lies.
Of course she gained something. The phone she was using as her own property.
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You've removed quite a few details that you added previously. That would be the spin. I don't think anyone is disputing this summary.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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One of those stolen phones they left live and on the contract. Sounds legit.
She was very vocal about other politicians' past indiscretions, so can't really complain about it coming back to bite her. Shame, as a spent conviction like that probably shouldn't.
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Which details have I removed?
I could have added that she only reported this mugging 3 or 4 days after it allegedly happened and that Aviva became suspicious because this was the third phone she'd reported stolen/lost and they learnt that she was using it to phone her relatives. Aviva didn't report the matter to the police for a whole month which would have given her plenty of time to let them know she'd "found" it.
Again, not spin.
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It was one of those Cake Stop type arguments where it was Rick vs most of the forum. Seems like he was losing his shit a bit over something else and stormed off after delivering delivering a few sideswipes.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Bit late to be defending her now she's gone.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't think the report is really about cost. It's about how could the grid be decarbonised by 2030. I'm not sure what the relevance of gas price is to that.
For what it is worth I have a lot of criticisms of the report, but it is a reasonable plan for 2035.
It also defines decarbonisation as generating 100% of power by carbon neutral methods with a max of 5% gas usage. In other words, the country needs to export power. This is fine in theory, but doesn't work if every other country has the same plan. For example, due to France's nuclear power, they need the ability to offload power, and they do this in part by selling to the UK. Both countries can't do this at the same time.
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B b b but didn't he tell people he had a degree in history or had been to dinner with someone he thought clever so he must be right?😉
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I let you keep your job and do I get any gratitude? 😀
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think part of the problem for him was that quite a few of us realised that was bollox 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
If we're being childish did she reject your advances or something!?
I'm not especially defending her, merely saying that if one takes her version of events at face value, one might be sympathetic toward her. Bearing in mind that her version, and many of the stories in the media do not involve these details around her calling her family, losing multiple phones or apparently being grumpy about having an out of date work phone.
I actually suggested that it was her unpopularity with Starmer that did for her, not the media.
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Childish? You'd have to have child like innocence to give any credence to her explanation. It's up there with the dog ate my homework. Taking her story at face value and arguing its veracity is actually defending her.
No idea about her thoughts on the standard of her phone but that Aviva launched an investigation after she allegedly lost 3 phones and they reported the matter to the police a month later after they uncovered it being used to call her relatives are not in doubt.
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All pretty irrelevant though given she pled guilty, was convicted, sentenced and that sentence was spent at least 7 years ago.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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A strange situation here. I'm actually giving credit to Starmer for acting decisively and correctly and the people on here with more left leaning views disagree.
Rjs, you say you can't understand why she had to go. If you employed someone with a spent conviction for dishonesty and subsequently found she'd not disclosed all the details about it and then continued to lie about it, how would you react.
Judging by some of the comments on here by people who think it's all a RW press conspiracy, people on here would probably promote her and give her a raise.
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The standard Cake Stop reaction for leftie politicians misdemeanours is to dismiss them as insignificant or too far in the past to matter, or claim that it was all the fault of the right wing press. But as mentioned above, she's gone now so all the excuses in the world are irrelevant.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
There's a lot of 'reports' flying around but if that was the reason then that would make more sense. That's a bit of a different version than was first reported, hence my question.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Why are we not surprised? Demand for UK workers falls after the budget...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Time for a reset you reckon?
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After 5 months in power? Long overdue 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Wasn't that what Staermer's big speech was last week?
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Probably missed it. What's his big plan?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Tbf I think it's the same as every other Labour leader before him. The plan is a more equal society, which is admirable. However, the chosen method is to make everyone poor.
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What's this 'chosen mechanism'? Or is that general swipe at left-of-centre government?
I asked AI:
"The UK's GDP per capita increased by 17% from 1997 to 2010 under Tony Blair's leadership. During this time, the UK economy grew for 59 consecutive quarters, including 40 quarters under New Labour. The IMF reported that the UK's real GDP per capita growth was higher and less volatile than any other G7 country from 1996 to 2005.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies noted that income growth during the first three years of Blair's government was skewed towards the middle and upper parts of the income distribution. However, the growth was not as unequal as it was during the 1980s."
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"Why can't we go back to the period of time which had significant economic growth and resulted in one of the biggest financial crises of all time?"
It's a question I find trivially annoying.
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