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The small point here is whether you are right to say something like that when the multinational in question is considering considering a £1bn investment in the UK, which his now at risk. How does this in with Labour's stated policy of going for growth?
If it was the right thing to do, why has Downing Street distanced itself from her statement and said that this does not represent the governements view?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't know the details of the investment but I doubt it was an act of philanthropism.
I'm slightly surprised that nothing was done after the outrage from all parties a couple of years ago.
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I’d say it was actually pretty spineless by Starmer caving in to big business. What she said was right, I’m not a massive fan of Unions etc. but the behaviour of P&O was disgraceful. Quite ironic that that in a week where they announced their increased protection for workers he rebukes a member of his Cabinet for criticising a company for ignoring workers’ rights. Kowtowing to big business feels almost Tory!
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Not enough leftiebollocks going on I say.
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When there's a billion pound investment at stake, sometimes you have to learn to bite your lip. Its part and parcel of being in government.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
"Fuck business."
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Labour have refined this somewhat into "F**k growth"
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They are coming to the conference. Disaster averted.
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I suspect that Haigh has had a hefty slap down and is likely to figure in the first reshuffle to something where she can do less damage. Let's hope they still invest, eh?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Cause he's not that good at it. It was the official position that Haigh was stating (which mirrored the previous government position) until Starmer changed it on the hoof, so it shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. Seems the investment is going ahead anyway.
Also, as embarrassing as it is I hardly think DP World are going to be swayed from investing in their own container port by a few rude (but accurate) comments about their ferry business.
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Every little helps as they say. It's actually a decent sum of money but I guess it doesn't matter to indignant lefties.
So their official position was to support a boycott of P&O?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think there was pretty much unanimous cross party condemnation of P&O when they sacked all their staff.
Anyway, it's all blown over now. DPW going ahead (as if they were likely to change a £1bn investment over a couple of embarrassing comments).
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Don't forget that when Tories do it = good, when Labour do it = bad.
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Seems like she went one step too far. I guess it was fine to say what they did was terrible, but wrong to say that people should boycott the company involved.
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If it was Labour policy then their policy appears to be "f**k business". Which some of us have realised all along...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You seem to be forgetting who actually made this statement.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They both made statements. TBF, the Tories just harrumphed about it but didn't actually take it any further. No-one got their job back.
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I don't remember you criticising cuddly Tory Dover MP (as she was then) Natalie Elphicke for joining a protest against P&O... along with Louise Haigh, coincidentally.
Elphicke: "It's a complete undermining of all the assurances that have been given, and it begs the question whether people can really trust what they say when they are doing business with them."
She told KentLive: "I think what we're doing today is showing that we are really angry and shocked about the disgusting behaviour of P&O Ferries and DP World. It's absolutely vital they reverse their decision, they bring back these jobs and they come to the table and have sensible discussions."
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The former seems fair criticism, the latter unwise. One of the responsibilities of being in government is to know when to bite your lip.
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I'm surprised that the Brexit supporters are suddenly concerned about risking investment to be honest.
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Starmer seems concerned given his reaction to Haighs statement.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Clearly she wasn't good enough for the Tory party, as her subsequent actions demonstrated.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's quite an achievement given the quality of her colleagues.
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It was a win-win situation, as pretty much any Tory MP defecting to Labour raises the average iQ in both parties :)
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Meh, Starmer's doing a shitty job of media management on this, but the point stands. Brexiters told us for years that there were more important things than the economy/investment. It doesn't surprise me that it seems that workers rights aren't one of them.
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Yeah I’ve noticed a very definite drop in growth from the stratospheric rise we were seeing in the previous 9 years.
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"Yebbut covid and Ukraine!"
As long as you overlook the period before then...
"The main drag on UK GDP growth since the referendum has been non-dwellings investment – a key driver of future productivity growth. It has grown by less than 2 per cent in the UK in the nine quarters since the EU referendum, compared to over 6 per cent in every other G7 economy (Chart D). In the nine quarters prior to the referendum, non-dwellings investment in the UK grew in line with the rest of the G7, with the total increase of 4.0 per cent, similar to the 3.9 per cent average in the rest of the G7 (excluding Canada where mining investment fell sharply as a result of the large drop in energy prices).
"While it is difficult to know what portion of the recent underperformance of investment versus the rest of the G7 is due to the referendum result, Bank of England analysis of its Decision Markers Panel Survey suggests that nominal business investment growth has been 3 to 4 percentage points weaker than it otherwise would have been, specifically as a result of Brexit – due to both the expected effect of Brexit on future sales and the uncertainty created by the referendum result. Given the effect of the fall in the pound on the price of investment goods, the Bank’s analysis suggests that the effect on real investment would be greater than on nominal investment."
Seems a bit like "Fuck growth". Grown-ups wouldn't have been so fixated in an ideologically pure Brexit.
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Wait for a few quarters of stats maybe? However I am commenting on the Labour attitude so you are missing the point.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I now just need ‘do your own research’ to complete my bingo card thanks.
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