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It's a related but different point - and I dont know either.
But I have a real concern that this will have a knock on effect and taxpayer will have to pick up the tab. Sometimes the public sector needs to appreciate who ultimately pays their wages and that there isn't a bottomless pit of money for ever increasing pay.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Barristers aren't public sector. This is a pretty fundamental point.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Have you never had a pay rise Stevo?
I'm no economist but my understanding is that you should expect wages to increase over time. You seem to think that public sector workers should take a real terms pay cut each year.
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Simple. Stevo’s rises are earned while public sector are scroungers.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Were you outraged by the previous Tory capitualtion? Maybe that was what led to the doctors making their extortionate demands.
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As mentioned above, they are basing their pay claim on what has been given to the public sector. And clearly where the state is involved in legal cases there will be an impact.
Maybe I'll go ask my boss for 15% on the basis that the train drivers got a good deal and see what he says....
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I didn't say that. Any in the public sector however seems to think that wages should only ever go up and that they should be somehow immune to economic conditions.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What did they agree to?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ever heard of performance based bonuses? 😉
Although I've only really had raises of the sort of percentages being chucked at the unions and public sector when moving jobs and/or being promoted.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe you need to join a union😉
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He, not they. One KC is quoted.
Perhaps you should. You might have to show evidence that your pay had not kept pace with inflation for a number of years.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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At the risk of sounding a little bit Chasey-esque, I've done OK without ever being in a union. How about you - were you in one and did it bring you financial success? 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I see your renowned sense of humour has gone missing this today.😉
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Or more likely, the answers to my questions are 'yes and 'no'? 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You didn't get a 10% rise when inflation was 10%?
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I didn't get a 10% rise, but there were other factors in the mix in my case as far from all of my package is base salary. That said, my personal situation isn't relevant to the debate.
How many people in the private sector do you think got 10% or more in a single year?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
🙄 Train driver deal wasn't for a single year either.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The average in the private sector is definitely 15% over two years. Ignoring 2021 when the numbers were very skewed.
Don't know how many got all of that in line with inflation and how many got below inflation one year and above inflation the next.
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15% as KG said earlier following industrial action.
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I see the centre leftie Tag team is playing today 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Awww 😭
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Do you have an opinion on the Tory government caving into the demands of barristers in 2022 which has probably led to the flood gates opening for others to expect the same or are you just going to sulk that your hobby horse has been turned on its head?
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If anyone's interested (and can access the Times), here's what he has to say a few weeks ago, including among other things, a 15% increase in fees https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/law-comment-how-to-fix-the-criminal-justice-system-sam-townend-kc-8sndfzdcb
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Tories fixing it for barristers but not train drivers. Labour sorting it out for train drivers but not barristers. How very on brand. 😂
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
My take on this is that after getting a hike in 2022 they are now back for more because they sense the weakness of Labour in pay negotiations.
This is also the leftie bashing thread so please stay on topic.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
There do seem to be a few leftie lawyers around.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Alternatively it could be because only 57% accepted the original offer when the Tories caved in to their strike action.
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Given that nearly every other union seems to be lining up for more as soon as Labour took over, think my view is the more likely one.
Does it not bother you that we will end up footing the bill for this?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Looks to me that it was the Tories capitulating to the barristers that started the ball rolling and emboldened the rest.
Does it bother me? Not when the rises are really just cost of living that were kicked down the road for a couple of years to make someone else’s problem. If we want public services that are fit for purpose we need to spend on them and that means paying what is needed to retain the workforce. They certainly aren’t paid as much in my field as their private sector counterparts. I would have liked some kind of commitment to amend working practices in some sectors and the best time to do that is as part of pay negotiations. I guess part of the reason that didn’t happen was that the situation had been hanging around so long and needed resolving but hopefully next time there’ll be a bigger conversation.
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When you say pay, do you include the final salary pensions that most public sector workers get? Must be nice to know you'll have a guaranteed income for life once you stop working.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
