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That's for you to explain, but we're talking about people buying your wife clothes. I suspect that doesn't happen.
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If my company offers to dress its employees I’m not gonna say no. Similarly if clients have spare tickets and I get offered I’ll probably go.
Or if the restaurant budget is £250, I certainly won’t be meeting them in cafe rouge etc
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Company buying clothes - fine as long as you pay the appropriate tax
Clients giving you tickets - probably fine as long as your company is aware
You spending £250 on a client's lunch. Questionable especially if you are soliciting business.
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We just have standards...
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You do know that there are legal requirements for this kind of thing? Bribery aside there is also benefits in kind which are due tax payments.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Sadly for Mr & Mrs Starmer, it wasn't Mrs Starmer's employer buying her clothes.....
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If I had a client that offered to take my wife shopping for clothes I'm not sure if I'd find it more creepy or insulting.
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As I said above about ethics... 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
My wife had the other way round buying clothes for the bosses wife.
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But if I am discussing their own career, why would they need to declare it?
That they happen to get to know me through discussing their own career is a happy coincidence.
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Do you spend £250 on anyone who fancies lunch or is there something in it for you?
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If we want to get to know a very important candidate, it is easier and more time efficient to do it over breakfast or lunch, as they are busy people and it's difficult to get them out of the office otherwise.
Not least as if they want to talk about their own careers, then doing it in their own office is not appropriate, and our offices are not always conveniently placed for their schedules.
Often a third party venue is the most appropriate.
I would consider that therefore as a "reasonable expense" and indeed, that is where there is a limit on it. But within that limit, obviously you try to maximise it for your own benefit. You're mad not to. Money on the table. Part of the job etc. Does that reflect the quality of my work? No. If anything, showing good taste in where you chose to take them is part of the way you show you understand how people like that operate.
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"Surely Pret is good enough" 🤪
I don't know what RC's fees are but I'm guessing if you are a large organisation spending a four or more likely five figure sum on finding the right person, you're not going to quibble too much if there's £1k of expenses on top for entertaining the four prospective candidates.
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I think everyone gets their knickers in a twist because they miss the "fair and reasonable" that is "proportionate to the firm" and they are not outlawing the business lunch with service providers, and you really do not understand how professional services work if you don't really get that.
If you're meeting Jamie Dimon for lunch, you're not going to GBK are you?
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It's not about whether the bribe is value for money, but whether it affects the process.
As Rick says that's the reason for the gifts policy to ensure it is a reasonable amount. I've spent more in celebration of something, but I'm less comfortable spending this when trying to solicit work.
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How is it a bribe. Who's getting a bribe? Are you expecting Rick to meet people, buy them lunch, but only have a glass of tap water?
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Well who'd have thought it?
Although have to admit they have managed to do it even quicker than I had expected. And they haven't even out up our taxes yet.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Their inheritance 😂
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Regardless, they are making a real hash of it remarkably quickly, don't you think? As the saying goes, socialism always fails but it never dies: the current government is just doing the first bit in record time.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
This 'inheritance?
"Lowcock said that he had concerns about spending both on housing asylum seekers and on wider aid projects. While government spending on asylum is audited, he said the issue required an urgent investigation.
“That budget has gone from £500m a year to about £4bn a year in a very short period,” he said.
“When I see things like that, my scam and scandal antennae start flashing red. Who is the Home Office giving all that money to? This is redolent, for me, of the kinds of things we saw during the disastrous, pretty obviously corrupt scams during Covid."
Sounds awfully familiar: break things while syphoning off billions to business mates, whilst the Tories and client media blame the victims.
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'But, but, nasty Tories' is a very poor defence of Labour's poor performance and behaviour.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
This is set to become a very big club:
Some of you might get a discount if you see the error of your ways and join sooner rather than later 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The Telegraph has really gone off this Labour lot, hasn't it?
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It looks like they are reporting first time Labour voters views, which is fair enough.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I wonder why they are comparing current Labour's popularity to New Labour instead of the current Conservative party?
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Yes, people do have remarkably short memories. This shouldn't have come as a surprise to Starmer.
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It's all going wrong for them even quicker than I had expected or even hoped for. Keep going, lefties!
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Looking forward to you keeping this up for the next 4.5 years remorselessly and never once mentioning the clusterfuck of the last 14 years leaving pretty much everything broken. Anyway, until 2029, you'd best get used to a majority of, what is it, 167? In case you'd prefer a picture:
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