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Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The bile isn't about how right wing they are Stevo, it's about how incompetent, complacent and corrupt they are.Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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Let's keep it on topic as mentioned aboveFirst.Aspect said:
The bile isn't about how right wing they are Stevo, it's about how incompetent, complacent and corrupt they are.Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Where do you think cake stop overstates the right-wingness?Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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OP sounds a bit snowflake-y for being hurt that the discussion isn't going as they expected...Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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anything to do with economics as on a scale they are to the left of Brown alongside Ed Milibandrick_chasey said:
Where do you think cake stop overstates the right-wingness?Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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As opposed to just populist far right stuff?surrey_commuter said:
anything to do with economics as on a scale they are to the left of Brown alongside Ed Milibandrick_chasey said:
Where do you think cake stop overstates the right-wingness?Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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Not sure that record peacetime high taxation and borrowing is right wing.rick_chasey said:
As opposed to just populist far right stuff?surrey_commuter said:
anything to do with economics as on a scale they are to the left of Brown alongside Ed Milibandrick_chasey said:
Where do you think cake stop overstates the right-wingness?Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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Both isn't it?First.Aspect said:
The bile isn't about how right wing they are Stevo, it's about how incompetent, complacent and corrupt they are.Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
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It gets better. He's now writing bitchy tweets to other journalists who are gently mocking him for not being able to back up his claims that the report he's seen is definitely, definitely going to bring down Starmer.rjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
The government that can't even leak to the press without f***ing it up.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Plenty of right wingers are big on tax and borrowing. Didn't pay much attention to Forza Italia?surrey_commuter said:
Not sure that record peacetime high taxation and borrowing is right wing.rick_chasey said:
As opposed to just populist far right stuff?surrey_commuter said:
anything to do with economics as on a scale they are to the left of Brown alongside Ed Milibandrick_chasey said:
Where do you think cake stop overstates the right-wingness?Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
Populism is populism.0 -
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Just poking fun at leftie losers, as this thread has been doing for a few years now. Sorry if you don't like thatJezyboy said:
OP sounds a bit snowflake-y for being hurt that the discussion isn't going as they expected...Stevo_666 said:
Not as far to right as the outpouring of bile in Cake Stop would suggest - IMHO. But that's for another thread, we're here to bash the lefties, as the OP has made clear a few timesrick_chasey said:It's all relative Stevo. Where on earth do you think the current iteration of the Tory party are?!?!
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What is?Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.0 -
What I wrote above about the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court. Which other ones are you getting confused with?rjsterry said:
What is?Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.0 -
It's pretty widely reported why she withdrew cooperation from the secondary 'inquiry'. ACOBA will already decide what she can or can't do. If No. 10 had something it'd be published by now, so... What do you think they have?Stevo_666 said:
What I wrote above about the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court. Which other ones are you getting confused with?rjsterry said:
What is?Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
So far they have published a list of things she hasn't done.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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So the big reveal is that Gray first met with Starmer in October. Several months after her endlessly delayed report was published.
That's it.
Not sure that's going to make the difference in the local elections.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Buried in this mess of a report in the Telegraph:rjsterry said:So the big reveal is that Gray first met with Starmer in October. Several months after her endlessly delayed report was published.
That's it.
Not sure that's going to make the difference in the local elections.
"[T]he Cabinet Office on Tuesday released an update on Ms Gray’s departure from her high-ranking Whitehall position which, contrary to briefing to the press, did not say that she had broken rules by speaking to the opposition while still working for the Government.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/03/sue-gray-no-pay-labour-keir-starmer-controversy/0 -
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling? "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Guess we'll never know how much impact this has on today's vote. Amusingly Labour didn't even put forward any candidates round our way. At least they know when they're beaten.rjsterry said:So the big reveal is that Gray first met with Starmer in October. Several months after her endlessly delayed report was published.
That's it.
Not sure that's going to make the difference in the local elections."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'd estimate precisely zero given that even Dan Hodges has got bored.Stevo_666 said:
Guess we'll never know how much impact this has on today's vote. Amusingly Labour didn't even put forward any candidates round our way. At least they know when they're beaten.rjsterry said:So the big reveal is that Gray first met with Starmer in October. Several months after her endlessly delayed report was published.
That's it.
Not sure that's going to make the difference in the local elections.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Stevo_666 said:
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling?
I hate incompetence, lying, xenophobia, bleeding poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich (Truss), and Brexit, not Tories per se. As I've said before, if Sunak could turn the ship around on the lying (it;s better than under Johnson) and bit the bullet on Brexit, you might find that I, along with others, might find them more palatable.
If you want to persuade me to vote Tory, you'll have to come up with something more positive rather than "at least they aren't Labour".1 -
I already know what you think from your previous posts, but let's hope you don't lose sight of the principles that made you a Tory voter in the first place.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling?
I hate incompetence, lying, xenophobia, bleeding poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich (Truss), and Brexit, not Tories per se. As I've said before, if Sunak could turn the ship around on the lying (it;s better than under Johnson) and bit the bullet on Brexit, you might find that I, along with others, might find them more palatable.
If you want to persuade me to vote Tory, you'll have to come up with something more positive rather than "at least they aren't Labour"."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Stevo_666 said:
I already know what you think from your previous posts, but let's hope you don't lose sight of the principles that made you a Tory voter in the first place.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling?
I hate incompetence, lying, xenophobia, bleeding poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich (Truss), and Brexit, not Tories per se. As I've said before, if Sunak could turn the ship around on the lying (it;s better than under Johnson) and bit the bullet on Brexit, you might find that I, along with others, might find them more palatable.
If you want to persuade me to vote Tory, you'll have to come up with something more positive rather than "at least they aren't Labour".
I've not, and that's why it's so sad to see what Johnson and Brexit have done to the party, not least as if Labour gets into power I do want a decent, principled opposition.
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Good to see we haven't lost you to The Dark Side - remember, don't let the hate flow through you. To use a bit of Star Wars phraseology.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I already know what you think from your previous posts, but let's hope you don't lose sight of the principles that made you a Tory voter in the first place.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling?
I hate incompetence, lying, xenophobia, bleeding poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich (Truss), and Brexit, not Tories per se. As I've said before, if Sunak could turn the ship around on the lying (it;s better than under Johnson) and bit the bullet on Brexit, you might find that I, along with others, might find them more palatable.
If you want to persuade me to vote Tory, you'll have to come up with something more positive rather than "at least they aren't Labour".
I've not, and that's why it's so sad to see what Johnson and Brexit have done to the party, not least as if Labour gets into power I do want a decent, principled opposition."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
