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Stevo_666 said:
Good to see we haven't lost you to The Dark Side - remember, don't let the hate flow through you. To use a bit of Star Wars phraseology.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I already know what you think from your previous posts, but let's hope you don't lose sight of the principles that made you a Tory voter in the first place.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling?
I hate incompetence, lying, xenophobia, bleeding poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich (Truss), and Brexit, not Tories per se. As I've said before, if Sunak could turn the ship around on the lying (it;s better than under Johnson) and bit the bullet on Brexit, you might find that I, along with others, might find them more palatable.
If you want to persuade me to vote Tory, you'll have to come up with something more positive rather than "at least they aren't Labour".
I've not, and that's why it's so sad to see what Johnson and Brexit have done to the party, not least as if Labour gets into power I do want a decent, principled opposition.
I'm quite comfortable hating hateful ideas.
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Well you haven't called anyone Tory scum, which is pretty hateful.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Good to see we haven't lost you to The Dark Side - remember, don't let the hate flow through you. To use a bit of Star Wars phraseology.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I already know what you think from your previous posts, but let's hope you don't lose sight of the principles that made you a Tory voter in the first place.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The leak is all about the court of public opinion.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Ots enough evidence for me, I'm not trying to convince anyone else.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Agree, it is funny because its truerjsterry said:
🤣Stevo_666 said:
Thing is the story has leaked - and just like the Cake Stop Kangaroo Court, evidence is not always need to find someone guilty.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Maybe she was trying to delay the findings until after the elections. After all, Starmer is due to be her new paymaster.briantrumpet said:If you want to froth over something (or nothing), the Sue Gray 'report' won't be published today, just ahead of the local elections, because Sue Gray didn't accept the 'invitation' to make a submission to the cabinet enquiry, though she's co-operating completely with Acoba, which makes recommendations into moving out of the CS into other employments.
Can't think why she wouldn't want to contribute to an enquiry overseen by Simon Case and Rishi Sunak... the terms of which seem to be rather opaque...
Maybe, though it would be a bit of a stretch to describe Simon Case as an unbiased arbitrator. And let's not forget that they delayed the Johnson report so as not to influence the then-forthcoming local elections.
Anyway, too early to tell, but it looks like the Tory-friendly press rather prematurely ejaculated.
This is almost as funny as reading Dan Hodges's endless pleading that this is some huge conspiracy.
Just like his assurances that Starmer would have to resign over that curry.
Evidence would be good, either from Hodges, or you, if you have it.
You really have turned full leftie Brian.
Oh, I thought you liked people to supply evidence, given you always ask for it when people give opinions. My mistake, obvs.
If it's asking for evidence that you think makes me a leftie, you're Corbyn and ICMFP.
You've gone full on tory hater based on what you post about them. Have your eyes started swivelling?
I hate incompetence, lying, xenophobia, bleeding poor people to pay for tax cuts for the rich (Truss), and Brexit, not Tories per se. As I've said before, if Sunak could turn the ship around on the lying (it;s better than under Johnson) and bit the bullet on Brexit, you might find that I, along with others, might find them more palatable.
If you want to persuade me to vote Tory, you'll have to come up with something more positive rather than "at least they aren't Labour".
I've not, and that's why it's so sad to see what Johnson and Brexit have done to the party, not least as if Labour gets into power I do want a decent, principled opposition.
I'm quite comfortable hating hateful ideas.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
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This made me smile.
https://thedailymash.co.uk/politics/i-had-not-previously-heard-about-world-war-two-abbott-admits-20230424234387"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I agree, it's always good to recognise quality postingbriantrumpet said:Thanks for your contribution, shortfall.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
I guess that this is why Starmer is so rigidly sticking to his guns on SM & CU...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/06/revealed-labour-won-back-swathes-of-brexit-voters-in-the-local-electionsFigures from the BBC’s “key wards” data, obtained by the Observer, show support for Keir Starmer’s party was up by seven points compared with 2021 in the most heavily pro-leave wards.
The data also shows that while the Tories were down 2.5 points in the most pro-remain wards, their vote was down even more – by 5.5 points – in the most pro-leave wards.
Senior Labour figures and leading academics said the data showed that the link between voting for Brexit and voting for the Tories is weakening – further encouraging Labour strategists to believe they can take back seats across the “red wall” and are on course to win the next general election.0 -
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depressing when parties' path to power is gutless pandering to populism rather than principled leadership
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I have a prediction that there’s gonna be a tonne of new houses being built over the next decade, just like there was under king George, and down the road “Carolean” houses will be as staple when discussing properties as “Georgian”0
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rick_chasey said:
I have a prediction that there’s gonna be a tonne of new houses being built over the next decade, just like there was under king George, and down the road “Carolean” houses will be as staple when discussing properties as “Georgian”
There doesn't seem to be any let-up around Exeter. Somewhat frustratingly for Exeter, Teignbridge is granting enormous planning consents fur hundreds if not thousands of houses right on the boundary of Exeter, and all the impact will be on Exeter's infrastructure, while Teignbridge gets all the council tax & box ticking for houses built. Seems to be one of those occasions when they really need to look at what constitutes Exeter now, and move the boundaries accordingly: at the moment, Teignbridge goes to within about 3 miles of the city centre.0 -
I'm not sure I share your optimism. Someone needs to reverse the removal of mandatory housing targets and properly fund the planning system. Neither impossible but I don't see any enthusiasm for either from anyone.rick_chasey said:I have a prediction that there’s gonna be a tonne of new houses being built over the next decade, just like there was under king George, and down the road “Carolean” houses will be as staple when discussing properties as “Georgian”
All Labour can come up with is adding a bit of extra tax to foreign investors.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It's a start. Baby steps. Also announcing an English right-to-roam (to mirror the Scottish version) sounds promising. I suspect we'll get a steady feed of things like this over the next few months.
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It'll be interesting to see what the EU will want in return..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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It must be soon time for you to reclaim your past as a paid up Labour supporter and claim you've always been a fan of the winning team.0
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You're assuming that will be just accepted or voted for in the inevitable referendum that would follow anything like like that.Pross said:
The price we have to pay for giving it away in the first place unfortunatelyStevo_666 said:It'll be interesting to see what the EU will want in return...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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The trade deal is IIRC. How does that translate into a vote to rejoin?rick_chasey said:We all know the Brexit deal is up for renegotiation in 2025 right?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The Starmer thing being discussed doesn’t mention rejoining.Stevo_666 said:
The trade deal is IIRC. How does that translate into a vote to rejoin?rick_chasey said:We all know the Brexit deal is up for renegotiation in 2025 right?
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We've had Leftiebollox and we've had Eurobollox: I now give you LeftieEurobollox. Or is that EuroLeftiebollox?
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/26/eu-rubbishes-keir-starmer-brexit-idea/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Looks like Sue Gray will be free to take her role with Labour in 6 months unless Sunak challenges the recommendation. If he does surely there would be cause for a legal challenge? It doesn’t feel right that an individual can decide how long it is before someone can start a new career after they’ve served any contractual notice period and restrictions.0
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Unsurprising and weak.rick_chasey said:What’s the forum view on labour announcing they’re protecting the pension “triple lock”?
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I think the scary thing is, that despite the expense, it still ends up being a relatively modest amount.rick_chasey said:What’s the forum view on labour announcing they’re protecting the pension “triple lock”?
It is slightly disappointing that neither party see any need to have a debate around this area and how to have something that is both affordable long term, and ensures that both pensioners and non pensioner poverty is kept as low as possible.0 -
The triple lock is getting a lot of attention at the moment because it's not affordable when the economy isn't functioning.
If Labour can get the economy working so it becomes affordable again then a goal of standards of welfare matching European peers is laudable.
However it does smack of "just get elected any way you can" for Labour, and you worry it will tie their hands.0 -
I'll never understand the need for the flat 2.5% element. To be honest, I don't really see the point in it being linked to anything other than inflation either as why is it relevant to the cost of living of a pensioner what is happening to wage rates?0
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That's a big 'if' given who you are pinning your hopes on.super_davo said:The triple lock is getting a lot of attention at the moment because it's not affordable when the economy isn't functioning.
If Labour can get the economy working so it becomes affordable again then a goal of standards of welfare matching European peers is laudable.
However it does smack of "just get elected any way you can" for Labour, and you worry it will tie their hands.
That said, when you talk about 'standards of welfare matching European peers', it looks like we are in the middle of this sample:
https://cashfloat.co.uk/blog/money-saving/best-welfare-country/
However, those at the top seem to realise that their systems are unaffordable, for example recent French moves to increase the pension age. Maybe their economy 'isn't working'?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm ambivalent about whether there even should be a universal state pension, so...rick_chasey said:What’s the forum view on labour announcing they’re protecting the pension “triple lock”?
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