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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,521
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...

    We can but dream... just think, no Johnson, no Trussterfuck, no spaffing covid money up the wall to all the Tories' mates...

    Your mantra of "It would have been worse" isn't terribly convincing, given the evidence of what's actually happened.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    What part of you genuinely beleives they 'would have gone further' given the PM himself literally said 'f*** business'.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    What part of you genuinely beleives they 'would have gone further' given the PM himself literally said 'f*** business'.
    He may have said it, but Labour will almost certainly do it. Why would they treat what they see as part of the enemy any different now?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...

    We can but dream... just think, no Johnson, no Trussterfuck, no spaffing covid money up the wall to all the Tories' mates...

    Your mantra of "It would have been worse" isn't terribly convincing, given the evidence of what's actually happened.
    I'm sure you would have been fine with Corbyn running the country, sure... (I assume we are allowed to mention him?)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,521
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...

    We can but dream... just think, no Johnson, no Trussterfuck, no spaffing covid money up the wall to all the Tories' mates...

    Your mantra of "It would have been worse" isn't terribly convincing, given the evidence of what's actually happened.
    I'm sure you would have been fine with Corbyn running the country, sure... (I assume we are allowed to mention him?)

    No-one believes you now that Corbyn could have been worse. That's why the Tories are in the doldrums - literally anyone is seen as a better alternative, no matter how many times you shout "But Corbyn". And that's despite him being an utter arsewipe.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    What part of you genuinely beleives they 'would have gone further' given the PM himself literally said 'f*** business'.
    He may have said it, but Labour will almost certainly do it. Why would they treat what they see as part of the enemy any different now?
    Almost certainly do it vs Tories actually doing it?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,088
    edited April 2023
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 26,969
    Everything this government is doing is very reminiscent of a shop raising prices prior to having a sale.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601
    edited April 2023

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    What part of you genuinely beleives they 'would have gone further' given the PM himself literally said 'f*** business'.
    He may have said it, but Labour will almost certainly do it. Why would they treat what they see as part of the enemy any different now?
    Almost certainly do it vs Tories actually doing it?
    What do you mean?

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...

    We can but dream... just think, no Johnson, no Trussterfuck, no spaffing covid money up the wall to all the Tories' mates...

    Your mantra of "It would have been worse" isn't terribly convincing, given the evidence of what's actually happened.
    I'm sure you would have been fine with Corbyn running the country, sure... (I assume we are allowed to mention him?)

    No-one believes you now that Corbyn could have been worse. That's why the Tories are in the doldrums - literally anyone is seen as a better alternative, no matter how many times you shout "But Corbyn". And that's despite him being an utter arsewipe.
    I haven't mentioned it for ages. It's also why I asked if it was 'allowed', as for some reason you and a few others seem to take exception to anyone pointing out just how bad Labour can be.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 19,521
    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...

    We can but dream... just think, no Johnson, no Trussterfuck, no spaffing covid money up the wall to all the Tories' mates...

    Your mantra of "It would have been worse" isn't terribly convincing, given the evidence of what's actually happened.
    I'm sure you would have been fine with Corbyn running the country, sure... (I assume we are allowed to mention him?)

    No-one believes you now that Corbyn could have been worse. That's why the Tories are in the doldrums - literally anyone is seen as a better alternative, no matter how many times you shout "But Corbyn". And that's despite him being an utter arsewipe.
    I haven't mentioned it for ages. It's also why I asked if it was 'allowed', as for some reason you and a few others seem to take exception to anyone pointing out just how bad Labour can be.
    No, I don't mind you mentioning how bad Labour can be, as I've got a long political memory. It's just a pity that their incompetence has been soundly overtaken by the Tories': they've squandered their legacy. Jeez, they've made even Margaret Thatcher look pragmatic in comparison, and that's some achievement, given the strengths of her political beliefs.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760
    edited April 2023
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,760

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,088
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    It sounds like you as a business owner would vote for a party that lowered the tax burden on business? Welcome to The Dark Side :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,387
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,602

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate

    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601
    pangolin said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate

    How is that relevant to Dorset Boy's point?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,602
    Stevo_666 said:

    pangolin said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate

    How is that relevant to Dorset Boy's point?
    You're a smart cookie Stevo you'll work it out.
    - Genesis Croix de Fer
    - Dolan Tuono
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601
    pangolin said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pangolin said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate

    How is that relevant to Dorset Boy's point?
    You're a smart cookie Stevo you'll work it out.
    Just for the avoidance of doubt, you tell us what you're thinking Pango.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,088

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate
    Strive for mediocrity!
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,088
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    It sounds like you as a business owner would vote for a party that lowered the tax burden on business? Welcome to The Dark Side :smile:
    Let me know when one turns up.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,602
    Stevo_666 said:

    pangolin said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pangolin said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate

    How is that relevant to Dorset Boy's point?
    You're a smart cookie Stevo you'll work it out.
    Just for the avoidance of doubt, you tell us what you're thinking Pango.

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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,387
    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate
    Strive for mediocrity!
    Nonsense. Mediocrity has nothing to do with it. A typical display of london centric BS.
    Entirely depends on the size of your business. If you look like making £255k profit, make a £5k pension contribution from the company etc.
    Plenty of small business owners are more than happy with the living the earn whilst having profits of under £250k, and run extremely good businesses too.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,601
    @Dorset_Boy do you know what Pangolin is on about?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,637

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate
    Strive for mediocrity!
    Nonsense. Mediocrity has nothing to do with it. A typical display of london centric BS.
    Entirely depends on the size of your business. If you look like making £255k profit, make a £5k pension contribution from the company etc.
    Plenty of small business owners are more than happy with the living the earn whilst having profits of under £250k, and run extremely good businesses too.
    What you’re describing isn’t growth
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,387

    rjsterry said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    The £3 socialists did achieve some short term success. However the result has been a ‘batsh*t crazy’ tory party, unopposed leaving a trail of destruction, and potential for a new monster in a unopposed Labour party after the next election.

    Well played 😆

    If you define short term success as around a decade of keeping the lefties out of power, OK :)

    Careful what you wish for though, especially if you're vaguely successful.
    you may have kept the lefties out but you certainly did not keep their policies out
    I see it as a lesser of two evils as while there is clearly room for improvement now, the lefties would have gone further, especially in terms of their approach to business and anyone vaguely successful. Imagine if Labour had won in 2019...
    Corporation. Tax. Up. Six. Percentage. Points.

    I'm sure if they have just one more term they'll definitely bring taxes down then. They really mean it this time, honest.
    The current corporation tax rate is still 3 percentage points lower than when Labour were last in power.
    It is. But then you have to add on the employer's NIC increase as well.
    Don't make a profit of over £250 k and you'll stick at 19% Corporation Tax rate
    Strive for mediocrity!
    Nonsense. Mediocrity has nothing to do with it. A typical display of london centric BS.
    Entirely depends on the size of your business. If you look like making £255k profit, make a £5k pension contribution from the company etc.
    Plenty of small business owners are more than happy with the living the earn whilst having profits of under £250k, and run extremely good businesses too.
    What you’re describing isn’t growth
    Where do I suggest it is?
    I was responding to RJST complaining about the hike in Corporation Tax for businesses making profits of over £250k, and that if around the margin, you can reduce the taxable profit to remain at 19%.

    If turnover goes up by say 20% but the profit remains the same is that growth?
    If turnover falls but the profit grows, is that growth?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,637
    So now you’re describing reducing profit margins to avoid tax?