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kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

True, but their rise did coincide with a global socialist movement, the likes of which we’ve not seen since.

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

True, but their rise did coincide with a global socialist movement, the likes of which we’ve not seen since.

The change in who could vote was more relevant.

rick_chasey

Not unrelated

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

Well the Corbyn stans hated Starmer's speech so he must have said something worthwhile.

was it not a little obvious that he ws trying for his Kinnock moment. I imagine he had his knock out line ready to go but after 88 mins had to sit back down

kingstongraham

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

True, but their rise did coincide with a global socialist movement, the likes of which we’ve not seen since.

The change in who could vote was more relevant.

So they were right to not give up because the voting system changed and they then had a chance of getting some power.

TheBigBean

kingstongraham said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

True, but their rise did coincide with a global socialist movement, the likes of which we’ve not seen since.

The change in who could vote was more relevant.

So they were right to not give up because the voting system changed and they then had a chance of getting some power.

Yes, but that just feeds into the whole argument that the Lib Dems need the voting system to change and it is all so unfair at the moment.

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

Well the Corbyn stans hated Starmer's speech so he must have said something worthwhile.

was it not a little obvious that he ws trying for his Kinnock moment. I imagine he had his knock out line ready to go but after 88 mins had to sit back down

Quite possibly, but a job that needed doing. Just the other parties to sort out, now.

kingstongraham

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

True, but their rise did coincide with a global socialist movement, the likes of which we’ve not seen since.

The change in who could vote was more relevant.

So they were right to not give up because the voting system changed and they then had a chance of getting some power.

Yes, but that just feeds into the whole argument that the Lib Dems need the voting system to change and it is all so unfair at the moment.

now we're getting somewhere.

TheBigBean

kingstongraham said:

TheBigBean said:

kingstongraham said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_United_Kingdom_general_election

Ah, Victorian elections. World has moved on a little since then.

Labour didn't think "oh well, we only managed 2 seats, we might as well not bother, the liberals will be here forever".

True, but their rise did coincide with a global socialist movement, the likes of which we’ve not seen since.

The change in who could vote was more relevant.

So they were right to not give up because the voting system changed and they then had a chance of getting some power.

Yes, but that just feeds into the whole argument that the Lib Dems need the voting system to change and it is all so unfair at the moment.

now we're getting somewhere.

You mean a complete circle? I'm fine with the current system. Would prefer the alternative vote that was rejected a few years ago though.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

And people always speculate but it's never a woman.

pangolin

Unlike the strong and stable conservative leadership

Since Blair they've both had 7 leaders I think.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

And people always speculate but it's never a woman.

I think they need to give Rayner or Abbott a chance to show what they can do.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

Unlike the strong and stable conservative leadership

Since Blair they've both had 7 leaders I think.

How many general elections have Labour lost since Blair?

rick_chasey

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

Jezyboy

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think, given the eventual rise of isis in Iraq, and the airlift from Kabul, the article talks up the American forces too much.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

briantrumpet

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

I'll do it for £10 million. A massive saving and it won't be any worse. 😉

surrey_commuter

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

john80

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

Do we have much need for a subcontractor radically following an Islamic text with skills in torture, killings and improvised explosive devices. Taliban are not looking so flash at controlling Afghanistan against their even more mental mates. Even the Afghans don't think they are doing a good job and we were the prior benchmark.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

Do we have much need for a subcontractor radically following an Islamic text with skills in torture, killings and improvised explosive devices. Taliban are not looking so flash at controlling Afghanistan against their even more mental mates. Even the Afghans don't think they are doing a good job and we were the prior benchmark.

Still beat us though.

surrey_commuter

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

Most people fighting for the Taliban do so for $5 a day which is cheap even by Ghurka standards

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

Most people fighting for the Taliban do so for $5 a day which is cheap even by Ghurka standards

Would have to scrap the Landrover fleet and get a deal with Toyota though, not sure the Union Jack flag wavers would go for that.

john80

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

Do we have much need for a subcontractor radically following an Islamic text with skills in torture, killings and improvised explosive devices. Taliban are not looking so flash at controlling Afghanistan against their even more mental mates. Even the Afghans don't think they are doing a good job and we were the prior benchmark.

Still beat us though.

Would you be confident that you could defeat a member of the public that thought dying for a cause by suicide bombing was a good gig. Western powers have taken a while to figure this out. Once someone does not care about their life then there is little you can do to defeat them.

rick_chasey

john80 said:

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

briantrumpet said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-humiliation-of-the-british-army/

This is a decent read

I think it over estimates how good we were in the past, arguable that our army has been on a losing streak since Waterloo.

I still think that the three forces should be combined into one (ie US Marine Corp) and given a primary task of defending the UK whilst being able to project a set size force overseas and help out with emergencies like flooding and lorry driving.

Pah... just outsource it, and put Dido Harding in charge.

You could be onto something. Being defeated by the Taliban, make Dido Harding their leader.
Economic sanctions not destroying the Iranian economy fast enough just make Boris their leader.

Or just hire the Taliban to work for our armed forces?

Do we have much need for a subcontractor radically following an Islamic text with skills in torture, killings and improvised explosive devices. Taliban are not looking so flash at controlling Afghanistan against their even more mental mates. Even the Afghans don't think they are doing a good job and we were the prior benchmark.

Still beat us though.

Would you be confident that you could defeat a member of the public that thought dying for a cause by suicide bombing was a good gig. Western powers have taken a while to figure this out. Once someone does not care about their life then there is little you can do to defeat them.

This is the sh!ttest argument I’ve heard in a while.

rick_chasey

https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/how-could-labour-win-swap-dud-dead

ddraver

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