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surrey_commuter

Maybe next week they could have measured traffic and pollution near their school and then measured it when they are all back. Anybody who uses roads to commute knows the colossal difference school holidays make.

I still don’t get a student strike. Who would give a sh1t hat they are withdrawing their labour?

rick_chasey

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

shortfall

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Maybe next week they could have measured traffic and pollution near their school and then measured it when they are all back. Anybody who uses roads to commute knows the colossal difference school holidays make.

I still don’t get a student strike. Who would give a sh1t hat they are withdrawing their labour?

I can't wait till Bono flies in on his private jet to endorse it.

shortfall

Rick Chasey wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

Yeah, I live near a school and work near another school. The roads are choked with mums doing the school run in gas guzzling 4x4s and SUVs. Many of the kids who get out of these cars are obese. The streets around most schools are full of litter. This is evidence you can see with your own eyes. Childhood obesity is a massive problem and a matter of public record. Do you walk around with a blindfold on?

shortfall

Here's some data on the proportion of kids walking to school.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -campaign/

It doesn't make for good reading.

rjsterry

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

Yeah, I live near a school and work near another school. The roads are choked with mums doing the school run in gas guzzling 4x4s and SUVs. Many of the kids who get out of these cars are obese. The streets around most schools are full of litter. This is evidence you can see with your own eyes. Childhood obesity is a massive problem and a matter of public record. Do you walk around with a blindfold on?

All true, but I doubt it is the children that choose the cars, or even necessarily have a say in the mode of transport. Possibly the protest was partly aimed at those parents.

Yes, SC, it's not really a strike and it is unfortunate that their message has been lost in muttering about which day of the week they should have held the protest but again, how would you suggest people of school age express their dissatisfaction with the lack of progress made on this issue?

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

Yeah, I live near a school and work near another school. The roads are choked with mums doing the school run in gas guzzling 4x4s and SUVs. Many of the kids who get out of these cars are obese. The streets around most schools are full of litter. This is evidence you can see with your own eyes. Childhood obesity is a massive problem and a matter of public record. Do you walk around with a blindfold on?

All true, but I doubt it is the children that choose the cars, or even necessarily have a say in the mode of transport. Possibly the protest was partly aimed at those parents.

Yes, SC, it's not really a strike and it is unfortunate that their message has been lost in muttering about which day of the week they should have held the protest but again, how would you suggest people of school age express their dissatisfaction with the lack of progress made on this issue?

Maybe by choosing to not do something that has a negative impact upon them. Maybe pick out a company as the bogeyman and boycott their products such as Coca Cola, MacDonald’s or nestle.

Not turning up to school the day before half term is hardly making a bold statement. Turning up one day next week would have impressed me more

tailwindhome

There's an interesting overlap on Twitter between people slagging off the kids march and people being weirdly enthusiastic about the French Yellow Vests

robert88

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

Yeah, I live near a school and work near another school. The roads are choked with mums doing the school run in gas guzzling 4x4s and SUVs. Many of the kids who get out of these cars are obese. The streets around most schools are full of litter. This is evidence you can see with your own eyes. Childhood obesity is a massive problem and a matter of public record. Do you walk around with a blindfold on?

Well obviously they can't let their kids walk or cycle because of the dangerous motor traffic (and they do drive like loonies). Thankfully I live nowhere near a school; I do have to cycle past one but never during 'school run' times. :shock:

Jez mon

TailWindHome wrote:

There's an interesting overlap on Twitter between people slagging off the kids march and people being weirdly enthusiastic about the French Yellow Vests

Interesting but entirely, sadly, predictable?

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

Yeah, I live near a school and work near another school. The roads are choked with mums doing the school run in gas guzzling 4x4s and SUVs. Many of the kids who get out of these cars are obese. The streets around most schools are full of litter. This is evidence you can see with your own eyes. Childhood obesity is a massive problem and a matter of public record. Do you walk around with a blindfold on?

All true, but I doubt it is the children that choose the cars, or even necessarily have a say in the mode of transport. Possibly the protest was partly aimed at those parents.

Yes, SC, it's not really a strike and it is unfortunate that their message has been lost in muttering about which day of the week they should have held the protest but again, how would you suggest people of school age express their dissatisfaction with the lack of progress made on this issue?

Maybe by choosing to not do something that has a negative impact upon them. Maybe pick out a company as the bogeyman and boycott their products such as Coca Cola, MacDonald’s or nestle.

Not turning up to school the day before half term is hardly making a bold statement. Turning up one day next week would have impressed me more

Pretty sure the main target was the government - difficult to boycott that. I take it you missed the actual marches down Whitehall and in other cities; they did a bit more than stay off school for the day.

Stevo_666

Quite happy to take the competitive advantage that my kid has over those that bunked off to protest. How about another one or two of these protest days, just to make the point?

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

If it's that bloody important then they'll stage them when their exams are on, or maybe when they're meant to be on their summer holidays (which many of them would be flying to - very environmentally friendly).

shirley_basso

Very many in your mind is the very distinct minority.

Also you can make a point without considerably.impacting your own future by not attending exams

Stevo_666

Shirley Basso wrote:

Very many in your mind is the very distinct minority.

Also you can make a point without considerably.impacting your own future by not attending exams

Based on what travel stats? Ignoring the point that the majority will need to travel somehow to go on holiday. It all adds up.

Re: your second point. Same principle with not bunking off school, isn't it. Just a question of degree.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

If it's that bloody important then they'll stage them when their exams are on, or maybe when they're meant to be on their summer holidays (which many of them would be flying to - very environmentally friendly).

Yeah! Stoopid being bothered about an insignificant thing like climate change.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

If it's that bloody important then they'll stage them when their exams are on, or maybe when they're meant to be on their summer holidays (which many of them would be flying to - very environmentally friendly).

Yeah! Stoopid being bothered about an insignificant thing like climate change.

So we'll see them with their placards on exam day then? As it's more important than a few academic qualifications

The option is there to make the point without missing school time and it's really not any more difficult to go on a March in half term or on a weekend. Although if they can't work that out for themselves then maybe exams are wasted on them.

rjsterry

Do you really believe that one day of missed school will materially affect a child's overall education and life chances? I mean it's impossible to prove either way, but I would suggest any impact is insignificant.

rick_chasey

its an odd dynamic when the same folk who slag the young off for being politically unengaged, yet when they make a political point they don’t like they get all huffy and sneery.

It just sounds like some of you don’t like young people and some of you don’t think climate change is something worth bothering Parliament about??

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Aaahahaha

Not sure either of you know what the students mean by a ‘strike’ then?

Make that three of us - what do they mean?

Well it's a good job that sneering at children reduces CO2 emissions. We can all say we've done our bit.

I'd say the bleeding obvious conclusion is that children are disgusted at the grindingly slow pace of action on the matter. More specifically when pollution around schools is bad enough that they feel the need to fit air filters to the classrooms, and a government has to be repeatedly taken to court by its own citizens in order to make it abide by its own legislation, what would you suggest children do? Shrug their shoulders and assume that their 'elders' have it all in hand?

How about protesting outside of schools hours and not damaging their education?

You know that’s the point they’re making, right?

That they feel it’s so important to their future it trumps a day learning for their future?

Maybe for some of them. But I bet there's a large proportion of them who get driven to and from school everyday when they could easily walk or cycle. I bet there's a lot of them who spend all their pocket money in fast food outlets and then throw the containers in the street. I bet there's a lot of them who don't give 2 f.cks about the climate but have jumped on this as either a way to annoy their teachers and parents or get a free day off school.

You’re just making stuff up now. Any evidence?

Yeah, I live near a school and work near another school. The roads are choked with mums doing the school run in gas guzzling 4x4s and SUVs. Many of the kids who get out of these cars are obese. The streets around most schools are full of litter. This is evidence you can see with your own eyes. Childhood obesity is a massive problem and a matter of public record. Do you walk around with a blindfold on?

All true, but I doubt it is the children that choose the cars, or even necessarily have a say in the mode of transport. Possibly the protest was partly aimed at those parents.

Yes, SC, it's not really a strike and it is unfortunate that their message has been lost in muttering about which day of the week they should have held the protest but again, how would you suggest people of school age express their dissatisfaction with the lack of progress made on this issue?

Maybe by choosing to not do something that has a negative impact upon them. Maybe pick out a company as the bogeyman and boycott their products such as Coca Cola, MacDonald’s or nestle.

Not turning up to school the day before half term is hardly making a bold statement. Turning up one day next week would have impressed me more

Pretty sure the main target was the government - difficult to boycott that. I take it you missed the actual marches down Whitehall and in other cities; they did a bit more than stay off school for the day.

LOL - I had no idea they went on marches

Still think they would have done better demanding the thermostat was turned Dow a couple of degrees and have a 1km exclusion zone for cars around schools.

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

its an odd dynamic when the same folk who slag the young off for being politically unengaged, yet when they make a political point they don’t like they get all huffy and sneery.

It just sounds like some of you don’t like young people and some of you don’t think climate change is something worth bothering Parliament about??

Nope it just seems very easy and pointless.

It is like Coopster protesting by spending an extra hour in Wetherspoons

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

LOL - I had no idea they went on marches

Still think they would have done better demanding the thermostat was turned Dow a couple of degrees and have a 1km exclusion zone for cars around schools.

http://www.cityam.com/273333/parliament ... e-protest/

https://www.brightonandhoveindependent. ... 1-8812301/

https://www.chichester.co.uk/news/envir ... 1-8812500/

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-15836863.

There were quite a few out in town. If nothing else it will have improved a lot of students organisation skills. One would hope that they have nagged their parents to turn the thermostat down as well.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

LOL - I had no idea they went on marches

Still think they would have done better demanding the thermostat was turned Dow a couple of degrees and have a 1km exclusion zone for cars around schools.

http://www.cityam.com/273333/parliament ... e-protest/

https://www.brightonandhoveindependent. ... 1-8812301/

https://www.chichester.co.uk/news/envir ... 1-8812500/

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... r-15836863.

There were quite a few out in town. If nothing else it will have improved a lot of students organisation skills. One would hope that they have nagged their parents to turn the thermostat down as well.

Totally passed me by. I could so help them be a much bigger pain. Get themselves into central London for rush hour then keep using zebra crossings and escalators at key underground stations. I reckon a few thousand could grind the place to a halt.

shirley_basso

Dupe

shirley_basso

Dupe

shirley_basso

Stevo 666 wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Very many in your mind is the very distinct minority.

Also you can make a point without considerably.impacting your own future by not attending exams

Based on what travel stats? Ignoring the point that the majority will need to travel somehow to go on holiday. It all adds up.

Re: your second point. Same principle with not bunking off school, isn't it. Just a question of degree.

I'd be surprised if that 'many' flew on holidays. Mostly stay local, staycation or don't go on holiday. Id say it's a minority of children in general who fly on holiday Vs drive to a UK based sport or northern France / europe by car - if you can think outside of your regional 4x4 infested bubble in SE London.

As for obesity and diet - rarely the child's choice is it? Good parenting includes a rounded diet, some exercise and motivation to take up sport. A fat Macdonald's eating brat hardly came out the womb with the keys to an Audi Q7 and a preference for Macdonald's chicken nuggets over burger king, did it?

Bunking off a days school has very little impact. Missing an exam does put yourself into a fairy tight corner unless you can do resits which hardly looks great on your record and means you don't have the fallback of a resit if you fail.

surrey_commuter

Shirley Basso wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Very many in your mind is the very distinct minority.

Also you can make a point without considerably.impacting your own future by not attending exams

Based on what travel stats? Ignoring the point that the majority will need to travel somehow to go on holiday. It all adds up.

Re: your second point. Same principle with not bunking off school, isn't it. Just a question of degree.

I'd be surprised if that 'many' flew on holidays. Mostly stay local, staycation or don't go on holiday. Id say it's a minority of children in general who fly on holiday Vs drive to a UK based sport or northern France / europe by car - if you can think outside of your regional 4x4 infested bubble in SE London.

As for obesity and diet - rarely the child's choice is it? Good parenting includes a rounded diet, some exercise and motivation to take up sport. A fat Macdonald's eating brat hardly came out the womb with the keys to an Audi Q7 and a preference for Macdonald's chicken nuggets over burger king, did it?

Bunking off a days school has very little impact. Missing an exam does put yourself into a fairy tight corner unless you can do resits which hardly looks great on your record and means you don't have the fallback of a resit if you fail.

Surely climate change deserves an exam boycott? It would have more impact as it directly links their lack of a future.

shirley_basso

It absolutely does but I wouldn't do it nor recommend that others do it unless you have enough critical mass that the exam is cancelled.

surrey_commuter

Shirley Basso wrote:

It absolutely does but I wouldn't do it nor recommend that others do it unless you have enough critical mass that the exam is cancelled.

I wouldn’t throw myself in front of the King’ horse or recommend it to others but it made a lasting point.

shirley_basso

Quite. That's why I'm not in the army.