Giro Stage 10 - spoilers

above_the_cows

RichN95 wrote:

I will be in Milan for the finale. Shall I stage a dirty protest on the podium? Maybe I'll storm the stage dressed as a Toberlone shouting 'Justice for the Hobart One'.

If you do this I'll buy you a crate of champagne!

RichN95.

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

above_the_cows

According to Mauro Vegni the UCI commissaire: "...they’ll realise that the rule had to be applied.”*




*Because I've already put a down payment on that conservatory and promised my wife that new car.

adr82

My favourite bit of the UCI rules:

17. Cheating, attempted cheating, collusion between riders of different teams
Each rider involved:
17.1 One-Day Race 200 + elimination
17.2 Stage Race 200 + 10’ penalty + elimination for offence during last stage or for 2nd offence

Edit: oops, totally misread that as 10s penalty not 10mins! Makes a bit more sense now... :oops:

RichN95.

Above The Cows wrote:

According to Mauro Vegni the UCI commissaire

He's not the UCI commissaire - he's the Giro boss (equivalent to Prudhomme at the Tour)

joelsim

frenchie covering himself in glory again.

Cycling is the loser here on every level.

Turfle

Mind-bogglingly moronic.

RichN95.

adr82 wrote:

My favourite bit of the UCI rules:

17. Cheating, attempted cheating, collusion between riders of different teams
Each rider involved:
17.1 One-Day Race 200 + elimination
17.2 Stage Race 200 + 10’ penalty + elimination for offence during last stage or for 2nd offence

Edit: oops, totally misread that as 10s penalty not 10mins! Makes a bit more sense now... :oops:

I'm old enough to remember when Gert Jan Theunisse got a ten minute penalty at the Tour for testing positive for testosterone.

gweeds

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

Mmmmm. That makes things interesting.

ddraver

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

Pross

adr82 wrote:

My favourite bit of the UCI rules:

17. Cheating, attempted cheating, collusion between riders of different teams
Each rider involved:
17.1 One-Day Race 200 + elimination
17.2 Stage Race 200 + 10’ penalty + elimination for offence during last stage or for 2nd offence

Edit: oops, totally misread that as 10s penalty not 10mins! Makes a bit more sense now... :oops:

Yes, but to be fair when was a rider last docked 10 minutes for collusion? It happens all the time, you help me gain time on the GC and I'll let you take the stage.

Pross

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

Dock Porte 2 more minutes to be safe

above_the_cows

RichN95 wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

According to Mauro Vegni the UCI commissaire

He's not the UCI commissaire - he's the Giro boss (equivalent to Prudhomme at the Tour)

Ah OK, that actually makes it worse.

joelsim

I'd really like to see Aru win it now.

Then fail the post-race test.

frenchfighter

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

It is pretty simple. They didn't see him do it. If there was a photo brought to their attention they would have fined him.

They fine and penalize riders daily.

gweeds

frenchfighter wrote:

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

It is pretty simple. They didn't see him do it. If there was a photo brought to their attention they would have fined him.

They fine and penalize riders daily.

That tweet has been out there for 8 days. So they'll obviously dock him 2 mins now. Quite why you think they need a photo when someone has admitted it is beyond me.

gweeds

And you're obviously happy to see 'your man' Bertie DQ'd. That was on camera after all.

RonB

Pross wrote:

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

Dock Porte 2 more minutes to be safe

Macaloon

The top teams could fix this sharpish on the grounds that the referee has had a random shocker, and nobody wants to win on a technicality, apart perhaps those who feel they've lost GTs on a technicality. Anyone who hides behind 'rules are rules' has no business voting or serving on a jury.

Pross

frenchfighter wrote:

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

It is pretty simple. They didn't see him do it. If there was a photo brought to their attention they would have fined him.

They fine and penalize riders daily.

Just not all riders who break the regs. You've gone quiet on Contador's helmet infringement.

frenchfighter

@Doctor_Hutch
The big question... does @LeopoldKonig now get the motorhome?
@Vaughters
How do you say "bullshit" in Italian?
@Chris_Boardman
What a desperately bad decision by judges at Giro. Really foolish to penalise friendship & goodwill, exactly what we need to see more of
@richardmoore73
Re Porte - all kinds of inter-team alliances go on all the time. Should the question not have been: did he gain an unfair advantage? #giro
@tom_dumoulin
I hope this is fine is a belated Aprils fools joke???


Rather than all these people complaining now, why the f*ck did they not read the rule book which has been there for years and years and petition the UCI to amend this rule etc, for fear of it being applied to them.


--

"At the end of the day, the rules are rules and if I have been given a 20-second penalty then I will have to take that," Froome said.

After his illegal feed in 2013 Tour

mike6

frenchfighter wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

I know I always go on about its not how you win that matters, but winning like this is not what I meant, I always meant it in relation to road tactics, not the haphazard implementation of the rule book by some petty sovereign.

A win for either Contador or Aru in this situation must surely be the total opposite of panache.

People should stop it with the hating on Contador and Aru. They both had more panache before they turned 16 then Porte will acquire in his entire life.

This is a good example to see what Porte is made of and what sort of attitude he has. Hopefully he gives his fans something to shout about, something to put fire in their hearts. Hopefully it will tell Porte that he needs to ride like a true champion rather than a defensive molly cuddled, marginal gains athlete.

You can always judge a person by how they reacts when they is down.

Spot on that man, quite agree. You can bet Porte wont pretend he has a broken leg, drop out, and prepare for the Tour. I mean, what kind of so called cyclist would even think of pulling a stunt like that?

gweeds

So. Again. You're happy for Contador to be disqualified.

k-dog

Are you still allowed to work together in a break or is every stage a TTT now?

frenchfighter

Gweeds wrote:

That tweet has been out there for 8 days. So they'll obviously dock him 2 mins now. Quite why you think they need a photo when someone has admitted it is beyond me.

1. he is not even in the race anymore
2. you can dock someone on the day but not a week later
3. you need a photo as a photo doesn't lie but people can say whatever the f*ck they like

Deal with it.

above_the_cows

So those supposed betting syndicates and race fixing shenanigans in Italy... I always thought that was a load of crap myself.

:roll:

LeePaton

Pross wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Someone has found this from earlier in the race:

Gianni Meersman
‏@GianniMeersman
I crashed in the final downhill because of a puncture. Had to wait for 10min to get another front wheel. Thx @TeamSky for the help #fairplay

https://twitter.com/GianniMeersman/stat ... 0256460800

That's brilliant. So they can't even be consistent with in the same race!! (Or was this Cali?)

It is pretty simple. They didn't see him do it. If there was a photo brought to their attention they would have fined him.

They fine and penalize riders daily.

Just not all riders who break the regs. You've gone quiet on Contador's helmet infringement.

He is a parody of himself, it's great.

On the upside PTP overall yayyyyyyyyyyyy.

frenchfighter

Pross wrote:

Just not all riders who break the regs. You've gone quiet on Contador's helmet infringement.

Thanks for the link before. Interesting reading. Looks like the team's and riders should read it to.

I have addressed it numerous times.

I also have said this penalty shouldn't have been applied but more importantly the magnitude of that docking is too large.

Pross

frenchfighter wrote:

@Doctor_Hutch
The big question... does @LeopoldKonig now get the motorhome?
@Vaughters
How do you say "bullshit" in Italian?
@Chris_Boardman
What a desperately bad decision by judges at Giro. Really foolish to penalise friendship & goodwill, exactly what we need to see more of
@richardmoore73
Re Porte - all kinds of inter-team alliances go on all the time. Should the question not have been: did he gain an unfair advantage? #giro
@tom_dumoulin
I hope this is fine is a belated Aprils fools joke???


Rather than all these people complaining now, why the f*ck did they not read the rule book which has been there for years and years and petition the UCI to amend this rule etc, for fear of it being applied to them.


--

"At the end of the day, the rules are rules and if I have been given a 20-second penalty then I will have to take that," Froome said.

After his illegal feed in 2013 Tour

Probably because they didn't think it would ever be applied unless there was some genuine attempt at cheating involved or, more likely, they never even knew it was there - have you seen the length of the UCI regulation book?

As for Froome, I suspect a 20 second penalty was seen as a good result considering the time he'd have lost. Arguably it was a far worse offence and should have been penalised more harshly than Porte today.

The_Boy

k-dog wrote:

Are you still allowed to work together in a break or is every stage a TTT now?

That doesn't really qualify as colluding though , does it? Breakaway riders work together because it is how you give yourself a chance at winning.

Perhaps a better example might have been Tiralongo pacing Bert on the stage to Fuente De?