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Time to do some proper research and find a good one. Any that use the word “artisan” should be expected to be overpriced.rick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher0 -
But in Sainsingerso it is £6/kgsurrey_commuter said:
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher0 -
Probably about the same amount of meat though. Salty water at £6/kg is quite profitable.TheBigBean said:
But in Sainsingerso it is £6/kgsurrey_commuter said:
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher0 -
I’m wondering why Mr We shouldn’t drive to save the planet is banging on about eating meat.0
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Waitrose meat is the most overpriced sh!t I refuse to use that as a credible benchmark.surrey_commuter said:
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher
They buy the meat from the same farms the other supermarkets do so they’re no better or worse than the others.
Sainos has gammon at £6 a kilo, so taking a normal supermarket price and doubling it seems pretty accurate.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/SearchResults/gammon
You need to find a new supermarket 😉
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So sainos prices for a similar sized chicken is roughly £3.50 or £2.60 per kilo, so again, double supermarket prices.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
https://the-gourmet-butcher.wales/shop/rick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
£8.90 for a barn-reared chicken at one of the two farm shop butchers I use:
https://www.greendale.com/category/poultry
So you can argue supermarket meat is rubbish (it often isn’t in other countries) but don’t tell me it’s not roughly double or more supermarket prices, because it is.0 -
This is no use, no prices on there!rjsterry said:
My local butcher.rick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
https://scottsofcarshalton.co.uk/#
We regularly buy their sausages. A bit more than supermarket equivalent but tastier and bigger and I think better value if you buy a large pack.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Waitrose meat is the most overpriced sh!t I refuse to use that as a credible benchmark.surrey_commuter said:
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher
They buy the meat from the same farms the other supermarkets do so they’re no better or worse than the others.
Sainos has gammon at £6 a kilo, so taking a normal supermarket price and doubling it seems pretty accurate.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/SearchResults/gammon
You need to find a new supermarket 😉
I don’t buy meat from supermarketsrick_chasey said:
Waitrose meat is the most overpriced sh!t I refuse to use that as a credible benchmark.surrey_commuter said:
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher
They buy the meat from the same farms the other supermarkets do so they’re no better or worse than the others.
Sainos has gammon at £6 a kilo, so taking a normal supermarket price and doubling it seems pretty accurate.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/SearchResults/gammon
You need to find a new supermarket 😉0 -
rick_chasey said:
So sainos prices for a similar sized chicken is roughly £3.50 or £2.60 per kilo, so again, double supermarket prices.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
https://the-gourmet-butcher.wales/shop/rick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
£8.90 for a barn-reared chicken at one of the two farm shop butchers I use:
https://www.greendale.com/category/poultry
So you can argue supermarket meat is rubbish (it often isn’t in other countries) but don’t tell me it’s not roughly double or more supermarket prices, because it is.
You were saying a chicken was £25 from a butchers.
There are lots of reasons why and how supermarket meat is so cheap in the UK.1 -
If you think it's just about which farm the meat comes from that might be where you are going wrong.rick_chasey said:
Waitrose meat is the most overpriced sh!t I refuse to use that as a credible benchmark.surrey_commuter said:
Waitrose gammon £11 per kgrick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
My butcher £14 per kg
Sunningdale butcher £17 per kg
You need to find a new butcher
They buy the meat from the same farms the other supermarkets do so they’re no better or worse than the others.
Sainos has gammon at £6 a kilo, so taking a normal supermarket price and doubling it seems pretty accurate.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/SearchResults/gammon
You need to find a new supermarket 😉1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I'm not seriously suggesting you trek to the other side of London. You'll have to take my word for it that it isn't that expensive. More than Sainsbury's; worth the extra as it goes further and tastes better.rick_chasey said:
This is no use, no prices on there!rjsterry said:
My local butcher.rick_chasey said:Seriously? Genuinely I’ve not seen a butchers that doesn’t start with doubling the supermarket price and moves from there.
https://scottsofcarshalton.co.uk/#
We regularly buy their sausages. A bit more than supermarket equivalent but tastier and bigger and I think better value if you buy a large pack.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.0 -
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.0 -
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
TheBigBean said:
You've momentarily forgotten to think about Brexit. Surely a record level would be impossible with Brexit?briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I feel that whatever I post up will be shot down but if you Google UK meat exports you will see that we have a poor reputation.briantrumpet said:The UK comes way down in the list of how much antibiotics are used in their farm animals, in Europe. Antibiotics are usully a substitute for more labour-intensive and skilled (i.e., more costly) husbandry.
https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/cp_data_news/fewer-antibiotics-in-european-livestock-farming/
I'm still interested (at the risk of sealioning) where all this negtive stuff about British farming practices, in comparison with other countries, is documented. As mentioned here ages ago, the UK was ahead of the rest of the EU on sow & veal crates, battery eggs, and various other welfare issues, and voluntarily brought forward dates for banning practices in the UK ahead of other EU countries. That too cost money.
You'll have to help me, as if I google UK meat exports, I get a load of hits saying it's gone to record levels.
https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/highest-on-record-uk-red-meat-exports-worth-1-7bn-in-2022/
Here's another larger one (services exports) which should be impossible due to Brexit, according to some:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/05/20/britain-services-industry-export-boom-brexit/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.
And we're trying to tell you that supermarket meat abroad is probably on a par price-wise with decent butchers' meat here (that's certainly the case in France, from my experience). Maybe it's the UK supermarket model that's the problem.0 -
Have a word with your friends in the supermarket business and tell them to up their game. Customers can only choose from what is on offer.rick_chasey said:
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Yes and they can only deliver fresh food from so far away, and British consumers are price sensitive so they buy British…!pblakeney said:
Have a word with your friends in the supermarket business and tell them to up their game. Customers can only choose from what is on offer.rick_chasey said:
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.
Hence my original point. UK meat production is nothing to shout about. You’ve got a few artisan Scots and maybe some Welsh who do the odd steak/lamb but that’s about it.
I am very much in line with SC that all state support to the farming sector should be halted and let the strongest survive.0 -
Do you also think that the Common Agricultural Policy in the EU should be scrapped?rick_chasey said:
Yes and they can only deliver fresh food from so far away, and British consumers are price sensitive so they buy British…!pblakeney said:
Have a word with your friends in the supermarket business and tell them to up their game. Customers can only choose from what is on offer.rick_chasey said:
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.
Hence my original point. UK meat production is nothing to shout about. You’ve got a few artisan Scots and maybe some Welsh who do the odd steak/lamb but that’s about it.
I am very much in line with SC that all state support to the farming sector should be halted and let the strongest survive."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sure.Stevo_666 said:
Do you also think that the Common Agricultural Policy in the EU should be scrapped?rick_chasey said:
Yes and they can only deliver fresh food from so far away, and British consumers are price sensitive so they buy British…!pblakeney said:
Have a word with your friends in the supermarket business and tell them to up their game. Customers can only choose from what is on offer.rick_chasey said:
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.
Hence my original point. UK meat production is nothing to shout about. You’ve got a few artisan Scots and maybe some Welsh who do the odd steak/lamb but that’s about it.
I am very much in line with SC that all state support to the farming sector should be halted and let the strongest survive.
You’ve not seen how those self entitled bastards held the Netherlands to randsom? Is having everything they do subsidised not enough?
Bunch of whiners. Even the highly entertaining Clarkson’s farm works because he’s an entertaining complainer. That’s all farmers do.
I have some sympathy with his thwarted attempts to make money from it. Quite a lot in fact.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Yes and they can only deliver fresh food from so far away, and British consumers are price sensitive so they buy British…!pblakeney said:
Have a word with your friends in the supermarket business and tell them to up their game. Customers can only choose from what is on offer.rick_chasey said:
Ok last time else I am repeating myself to oblivian and @First.Aspect will have a heart attack > supermarket meat, at supermarket prices, abroad is in general far superior in quality.pblakeney said:
You keep typing British when it should be supermarket.rick_chasey said:
Yeah the baseline quality for the meat ought to be better.morstar said:I’m totally confused.
UK supermarket is cheap rubbish. Quality meat from a butchers is double the price.
Is the argument that supermarket meat should be better quality at the same price or that the butchers should keep their quality but reduce the price?
Neither of which are possible.
The death of the high street butcher proves its not just greed. Retail is expensive in this country. It’s why the supermarkets have obliterated independent businesses. Maybe that’s the real issue here.
No one’s banging on about how great British produce is.
Us lot in the Uk resort to paying more than our continental counterparts and inconvenience ourselves to go to additional shops than the supermarket to avoid the low quality standard British supermarket meat.
Hence my original point. UK meat production is nothing to shout about. You’ve got a few artisan Scots and maybe some Welsh who do the odd steak/lamb but that’s about it.
I am very much in line with SC that all state support to the farming sector should be halted and let the strongest survive.
Farmers do a pretty good job of supplying what UK supermarkets dictate, and they do dictate. Supermarkets also have done a fantastic job of closing down most of the competition (I think there are now only two proper greengrocers in the whole of Exeter), so neither sellers nor purchasers have a meaningful choice (unless you make special efforts) in the UK.
You've discounted going to independent butchers because of £25 chickens, and then complain UK meat isn't anything great.
The entire food market is different on the continent. And that's largely down to how UK supermarkets operate - and, on the whole, it operates on their terms.0 -
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rick_chasey said:
Isn’t it just climate and geography?
No. The UK is cracking place for growing grass (and potatoes and turnips), as it has the Atlantic as a neighbour, and is temperate. My bit of France is good at growing melons, cherries and peaches, but is a bit rubbish for widespread livestock farming.0 -
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1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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But if you like goat...briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Isn’t it just climate and geography?
No. The UK is cracking place for growing grass (and potatoes and turnips), as it has the Atlantic as a neighbour, and is temperate. My bit of France is good at growing melons, cherries and peaches, but is a bit rubbish for widespread livestock farming.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Just had a fantastic Sunday lunch at a farm shop cafe in Cornwall. All local ingredients and it cost us less then £30 for 2 meals and a soft drink each. I’m not generally a big meat eater, mainly because of experiences with cheap, tough, sinewy meat as a kid but there wasn’t a chicken option so I had beef. It was proper melt in your mouth stuff. I hate fat, gristle and sinews in meat so there’s usually bits left on my plate but not today.
I’ll be back there in a few days giving their breakfast a go.0 -
Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.0
