BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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rick_chasey said:
Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
Some of it is, some of it isn't. I'm not sure how you are assessing that though, in meat terms, if you buy your meat from supermarkets both here and there. They are different beasts entirely.
One example would be that both the big local supermarkets in Die extensively stock and promote local produce. A friend of mine who produces, erm, various 'goose products' (sorry) gave up trying to promote it herself (farm and market sales), as both of the supermarkets stock it, put it in prominent displays, and give her a decent margin. And all she has to do is to produce it and deliver it to them.
I don't think that model is one that Sainsbo's or Tesco would recognise, as they are much more centralised models that don't give small-scale access to their shelves.0 -
rick_chasey said:
I am very much in line with SC that all state support to the farming sector should be halted and let the strongest survive.
Given that we can't keep supermarket shelves full when we're only 60% self-sufficient in food, that's quite an ambitious (aka 'risky') attitude. If you read the article about one of the biggest UK egg producers giving up, because it no longer pays (despite there being a massive shortage of eggs in the UK), then you'll know that the market is not working as it should. This isn't a market like bike parts, where if there are massive price rises, or the product isn't available, you can just shrug your shoulders and wait to see if the market stabilises.
If you're dead against subsidies, let's remove all subsidies from public transport, and just let the strongest companies survive.0 -
I had the best fish (bass) I’ve ever tasted in a restaurant in Turkey and when I had the same dish in a different place a few days later it was worse than anything I’ve had in the UK other than one place that didn’t scale the fish. It’s too simplistic to say it’s better in one country than another, so much comes down to the preparation and cooking as well as the produce itself.
I always preferred British strawberries to the Spanish imports but they had a short season. Now we get year round British strawberries from poly tunnels that are just like the Spanish ones with little flavour. It’s mainly our fault in that we’ve been led to believe fruit and veg shouldn’t be seasonal.0 -
Nope. That depends on where you or the chef shops, then how it is cooked. I have had shite food in southern Europe too.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
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Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.0 -
Let’s face it, Britain is not known the world over for its quality produce or food.
In fact it’s best known for being extremely happy to take on dishes and cuisine from around the world, largely as the local fare isn’t all that.
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rick_chasey said:
Let’s face it, Britain is not known the world over for its quality produce or food.
In fact it’s best known for being extremely happy to take on dishes and cuisine from around the world, largely as the local fare isn’t all that.
Well, I'm sorry you're missing out on all the good local produce here, which several of us here seem to be able to find without too much trouble. I'm slightly bemused how you're missing it all, unless you think that UK supermarkets are the standard bearers of quality UK food, and that a £25 chicken means that all decent produce is overpriced.0 -
Lots of gourmet restaurants worldwide are happy to serve food that originated in the UK. Maybe you should try it.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It’s not like even all champagne is equal though is it?rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.0 -
Just bizarre that a guy who spends an appreciable part of his working life in restaurants thinks the food in this country is so poor. Obviously some is imported but where do you think they source most of their ingredients?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Ricktopia obviously.rjsterry said:Just bizarre that a guy who spends an appreciable part of his working life in restaurants thinks the food in this country is so poor. Obviously some is imported but where do you think they source most of their ingredients?
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Oooh, where?Pross said:Just had a fantastic Sunday lunch at a farm shop cafe in Cornwall. All local ingredients and it cost us less then £30 for 2 meals and a soft drink each. I’m not generally a big meat eater, mainly because of experiences with cheap, tough, sinewy meat as a kid but there wasn’t a chicken option so I had beef. It was proper melt in your mouth stuff. I hate fat, gristle and sinews in meat so there’s usually bits left on my plate but not today.
I’ll be back there in a few days giving their breakfast a go.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Boscastle, lovely meal to be fair and sat at the outside table next to the coast path so great views although the mist rolled in towards the end.ddraver said:
Oooh, where?Pross said:Just had a fantastic Sunday lunch at a farm shop cafe in Cornwall. All local ingredients and it cost us less then £30 for 2 meals and a soft drink each. I’m not generally a big meat eater, mainly because of experiences with cheap, tough, sinewy meat as a kid but there wasn’t a chicken option so I had beef. It was proper melt in your mouth stuff. I hate fat, gristle and sinews in meat so there’s usually bits left on my plate but not today.
I’ll be back there in a few days giving their breakfast a go.1 -
I’m often underwhelmed tbh. Especially when you take the price into account (which tbh I struggle not to take into account even during the sitting).rjsterry said:Just bizarre that a guy who spends an appreciable part of his working life in restaurants thinks the food in this country is so poor. Obviously some is imported but where do you think they source most of their ingredients?
Don’t get me wrong there are some great places, obviously.
We’re not in a food desert. But the baseline quality for every day food is pretty low.0 -
Not at €3 a bottle!rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
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If you have fantastic fizz at €3 in France pray tell!wallace_and_gromit said:
Not at €3 a bottle!rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.0 -
Well it’s a bit hit and miss as you have to trial a few from the supermarket but they’re there if you are diligent. Key point though is that they don’t taste good back home on a dark dreary November Friday evening after a sh*t week at work. My original point is they your experience of foreign food is likely skewed to situations which are desirable eg holidays or a flash business trip. So you have fond memories of it compared to U.K. food that is just everyday fuel most of the time.rick_chasey said:
If you have fantastic fizz at €3 in France pray tell!wallace_and_gromit said:
Not at €3 a bottle!rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
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Ironically, Prosecco is the most popular fizz in the U.K.rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
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rick_chasey said:
I’m often underwhelmed tbh. Especially when you take the price into account (which tbh I struggle not to take into account even during the sitting).rjsterry said:Just bizarre that a guy who spends an appreciable part of his working life in restaurants thinks the food in this country is so poor. Obviously some is imported but where do you think they source most of their ingredients?
Don’t get me wrong there are some great places, obviously.
We’re not in a food desert. But the baseline quality for every day food is pretty low.
I'd not argue with that, (though it needn't be that way). And the policies of the supermarkets in using price as the main criterion is largely to blame for that, along with their success in placing themselves as the only place where many people source their food.
Maybe I'm just lucky in having two really good farm shops, a greengrocer's and butcher's within 15 minutes of me, but I have no trouble in sourcing better than the supermarkets can offer, at very reasonable prices.0 -
Possibly. I’ve been cooking the same stuff here in Italy as I do home (4 year old enjoys a limited repertoire despite my and my wife’s best efforts) and it is genuinely better stuff. The ingredients are just better.wallace_and_gromit said:
Well it’s a bit hit and miss as you have to trial a few from the supermarket but they’re there if you are diligent. Key point though is that they don’t taste good back home on a dark dreary November Friday evening after a sh*t week at work. My original point is they your experience of foreign food is likely skewed to situations which are desirable eg holidays or a flash business trip. So you have fond memories of it compared to U.K. food that is just everyday fuel most of the time.rick_chasey said:
If you have fantastic fizz at €3 in France pray tell!wallace_and_gromit said:
Not at €3 a bottle!rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
(I should add I have an absolute addiction to cheap nasty mayo so even the obvious short coming there, I’m quids in. Give me that mayo in a tube hubba hubba. Doubly so if it’s really yellow and eggy)
Obviously I’m not cooking much in butter….
Have you seen the colour of the yolks here?! Outrageous. Deep apricot oranges. Glorious.0 -
My breakfast egg this morning...rick_chasey said:
Possibly. I’ve been cooking the same stuff here in Italy as I do home (4 year old enjoys a limited repertoire despite my and my wife’s best efforts) and it is genuinely better stuff. The ingredients are just better.wallace_and_gromit said:
Well it’s a bit hit and miss as you have to trial a few from the supermarket but they’re there if you are diligent. Key point though is that they don’t taste good back home on a dark dreary November Friday evening after a sh*t week at work. My original point is they your experience of foreign food is likely skewed to situations which are desirable eg holidays or a flash business trip. So you have fond memories of it compared to U.K. food that is just everyday fuel most of the time.rick_chasey said:
If you have fantastic fizz at €3 in France pray tell!wallace_and_gromit said:
Not at €3 a bottle!rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
(I should add I have an absolute addiction to cheap nasty mayo so even the obvious short coming there, I’m quids in. Give me that mayo in a tube hubba hubba. Doubly so if it’s really yellow and eggy)
Obviously I’m not cooking much in butter….
Have you seen the colour of the yolks here?! Outrageous. Deep apricot oranges. Glorious.
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I suspect your recent holiday is skewing your view. You mentioned before that you are not a big spender. For meat you will be less disappointed spending a bit more per kilo but buying less. Fruit and veg are more variable and would agree that mainstream shopping seems to be dominated by appearance rather than taste.rick_chasey said:
I’m often underwhelmed tbh. Especially when you take the price into account (which tbh I struggle not to take into account even during the sitting).rjsterry said:Just bizarre that a guy who spends an appreciable part of his working life in restaurants thinks the food in this country is so poor. Obviously some is imported but where do you think they source most of their ingredients?
Don’t get me wrong there are some great places, obviously.
We’re not in a food desert. But the baseline quality for every day food is pretty low.
You can buy Burford Brown eggs here if you prefer. The prevailing fashion is for yellow yolks. I doubt you could tell the difference blindfolded.rick_chasey said:
Possibly. I’ve been cooking the same stuff here in Italy as I do home (4 year old enjoys a limited repertoire despite my and my wife’s best efforts) and it is genuinely better stuff. The ingredients are just better.wallace_and_gromit said:
Well it’s a bit hit and miss as you have to trial a few from the supermarket but they’re there if you are diligent. Key point though is that they don’t taste good back home on a dark dreary November Friday evening after a sh*t week at work. My original point is they your experience of foreign food is likely skewed to situations which are desirable eg holidays or a flash business trip. So you have fond memories of it compared to U.K. food that is just everyday fuel most of the time.rick_chasey said:
If you have fantastic fizz at €3 in France pray tell!wallace_and_gromit said:
Not at €3 a bottle!rick_chasey said:
Yeah it’s not like France is known the world over for the world’s most sought after fizz.wallace_and_gromit said:
Everything tastes better on holiday. Fantastic fizz on a warm evening in France after a pleasant day out on two wheels tastes like gnats’ p*ss when you drink it at home.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
(I should add I have an absolute addiction to cheap nasty mayo so even the obvious short coming there, I’m quids in. Give me that mayo in a tube hubba hubba. Doubly so if it’s really yellow and eggy)
Obviously I’m not cooking much in butter….
Have you seen the colour of the yolks here?! Outrageous. Deep apricot oranges. Glorious.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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If you grow your own you know fruit and veg tastes better the shorter the time between picking and eating. You would also know that it goes off in days whereas a similar product from a supermarket will last weeks.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
I suspect that in parts of other countries they are buying daily from a market whereas in this country they are playing with nature to get the longevity.0 -
Isn’t that because most of them are being shipped in anyway (because the climate and geography isn’t all that unless you want to grow turnips)?0
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If you count polytunnels and cold storage as 'playing with nature'surrey_commuter said:
If you grow your own you know fruit and veg tastes better the shorter the time between picking and eating. You would also know that it goes off in days whereas a similar product from a supermarket will last weeks.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
I suspect that in parts of other countries they are buying daily from a market whereas in this country they are playing with nature to get the longevity.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
yes I do.rjsterry said:
If you count polytunnels and cold storage as 'playing with nature'surrey_commuter said:
If you grow your own you know fruit and veg tastes better the shorter the time between picking and eating. You would also know that it goes off in days whereas a similar product from a supermarket will last weeks.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
I suspect that in parts of other countries they are buying daily from a market whereas in this country they are playing with nature to get the longevity.
Try growing a lettuce and then pick it. I promise you that Liz Truss would last longer0 -
surrey_commuter said:
yes I do.rjsterry said:
If you count polytunnels and cold storage as 'playing with nature'surrey_commuter said:
If you grow your own you know fruit and veg tastes better the shorter the time between picking and eating. You would also know that it goes off in days whereas a similar product from a supermarket will last weeks.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
I suspect that in parts of other countries they are buying daily from a market whereas in this country they are playing with nature to get the longevity.
Try growing a lettuce and then pick it. I promise you that Liz Truss would last longer
I've not followed the links through on this, but I'd be surprised if clever stuff isn't being used to keep lettuces (and other items) longer than Liz Truss's premiership.
https://medium.com/@Grobogrow/freshness-exposed-the-truth-behind-your-supermarkets-fresh-frozen-and-canned-produce-24eac2f6ac75According to recommendations published by the Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO), here is how long produce can be stored before reaching the supermarket:
Apples: 1–6 months
Cabbage: 5–6 months
Lettuce: 2–3 weeks
Tomatoes: 2–3 weeks
Potatoes: 2–12 months
Carrots: 1–9 months
Garlic: 6–7 months
Pumpkins: 2–5 months
Cucumber: 28 days
Pomegranate: 2–3 months0 -
All farming is playing with nature. The Victorians built a railway just to get watercress from Hampshire to London. That really doesn't keep. While places like Italy can do fresh Mediterranean vegetables direct from field to market stall, they still have seasons and make extensive use of polytunnels and cold storage.surrey_commuter said:
yes I do.rjsterry said:
If you count polytunnels and cold storage as 'playing with nature'surrey_commuter said:
If you grow your own you know fruit and veg tastes better the shorter the time between picking and eating. You would also know that it goes off in days whereas a similar product from a supermarket will last weeks.rick_chasey said:Come on. I’m all ears. The food and produce across southern Europe is just infinitely nicer, right?
Regardless of the price bracket.
Now if that is purely down to the market structure you’ll have to break that down beyond “supermarkets are bad”.
I suspect that in parts of other countries they are buying daily from a market whereas in this country they are playing with nature to get the longevity.
Try growing a lettuce and then pick it. I promise you that Liz Truss would last longer1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
