BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I'm predicting what is likely to happen.rick_chasey said:
You think that happened under Blair?Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
On what evidence?Stevo_666 said:
I'm predicting what is likely to happen.rick_chasey said:
You think that happened under Blair?Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI0 -
Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me.
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Oh Brian, just because I've used a handy phease from your favourite rag doesn't mean much. How relevant is a Labour administration which came to power 26 years ago?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Try reading the draft Labour manifesto and then read between the lines.rick_chasey said:
On what evidence?Stevo_666 said:
I'm predicting what is likely to happen.rick_chasey said:
You think that happened under Blair?Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The line is nothing can be done without getting the economy moving again. They're not waging war on wealth creators.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading the draft Labour manifesto and then read between the lines.rick_chasey said:
On what evidence?Stevo_666 said:
I'm predicting what is likely to happen.rick_chasey said:
You think that happened under Blair?Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
Unless by wealth creators you just mean people who happen to be owning their houses.0 -
No sh!t Sherlock. Which of their policies will do that, if implemented.rick_chasey said:
The line is nothing can be done without getting the economy moving again. They're not waging war on wealth creators.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading the draft Labour manifesto and then read between the lines.rick_chasey said:
On what evidence?Stevo_666 said:
I'm predicting what is likely to happen.rick_chasey said:
You think that happened under Blair?Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Oh Brian, just because I've used a handy phease from your favourite rag doesn't mean much. How relevant is a Labour administration which came to power 26 years ago?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me.
More relevant than looking back to dead-end Corbyn, or the pre-Thatcher era, which is what I suspect you and the Telegraph are thinking of. At the risk of going all sealion, if you've got any more concrete evidence that Labour will be worse for business than the current iteration of the Tory Party, now's the time to share it. We're all ears.
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It's informed speculation, as I'm sure you're aware. See my reply to Rick above and have a read of the draft Labour manifesto, then apply some sceptical thinking.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Oh Brian, just because I've used a handy phease from your favourite rag doesn't mean much. How relevant is a Labour administration which came to power 26 years ago?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me.
More relevant than looking back to dead-end Corbyn, or the pre-Thatcher era, which is what I suspect you and the Telegraph are thinking of. At the risk of going all sealion, if you've got any more concrete evidence that Labour will be worse for business than the current iteration of the Tory Party, now's the time to share it. We're all ears.
What makes you think Labour will be good for business?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
It's informed speculation, as I'm sure you're aware. See my reply to Rick above and have a read of the draft Labour manifesto, then apply some sceptical thinking.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Oh Brian, just because I've used a handy phease from your favourite rag doesn't mean much. How relevant is a Labour administration which came to power 26 years ago?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me.
More relevant than looking back to dead-end Corbyn, or the pre-Thatcher era, which is what I suspect you and the Telegraph are thinking of. At the risk of going all sealion, if you've got any more concrete evidence that Labour will be worse for business than the current iteration of the Tory Party, now's the time to share it. We're all ears.
What makes you think Labour will be good for business?
'Informed speculation'. Informed by what, pray? That's not exactly evidence.
If Labour rebuilds bridges with the EU to reduce friction, that will be good for business. Hell, if we re-joined the SM & CU, that would be even better for business (though I admit that's unlikely in the short term).
As I've said before, if Sunak chucked out the loons and owned up to the massive mistake of Brexit, I reckon he'd give the Tories a much better chance of sinking Starmer below the waterline. I carry no torch for Starmer, especially given his current "No to SM & CU" mantra, but at least he's not trying to claim that Brexit is a great success, and my speculation is that pragmatism will win out in the end - it's just whether it's Labour or the Tories who get there first.0 -
Stevo you're the one suggesting the evidence is in the manifesto but telling us all to go and "read between the lines".
Why not post the obvious smoking gun?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Manifesto seems largely sensible to me.
I'm not a massive fan of the "right to disconnect" and i think it's unworkable in practice but it's hardly a game changer.0 -
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only ones i see waging war against wealth creation are the tory party since it was seized by brexiters
johnson was very clear on his position: "fuck business", he certainly delivered on that
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Because it's not been published and is only a leaked draft internal consultation that will almost certainly be revised. Amazing how some can predict the future when it neatly conforms to his world view.pangolin said:Stevo you're the one suggesting the evidence is in the manifesto but telling us all to go and "read between the lines".
Why not post the obvious smoking gun?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Have you read their draft manifesto as I advised you to? If not, then I'm more informed than you arebriantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
It's informed speculation, as I'm sure you're aware. See my reply to Rick above and have a read of the draft Labour manifesto, then apply some sceptical thinking.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Oh Brian, just because I've used a handy phease from your favourite rag doesn't mean much. How relevant is a Labour administration which came to power 26 years ago?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me.
More relevant than looking back to dead-end Corbyn, or the pre-Thatcher era, which is what I suspect you and the Telegraph are thinking of. At the risk of going all sealion, if you've got any more concrete evidence that Labour will be worse for business than the current iteration of the Tory Party, now's the time to share it. We're all ears.
What makes you think Labour will be good for business?
'Informed speculation'. Informed by what, pray? That's not exactly evidence.
If Labour rebuilds bridges with the EU to reduce friction, that will be good for business. Hell, if we re-joined the SM & CU, that would be even better for business (though I admit that's unlikely in the short term).
As I've said before, if Sunak chucked out the loons and owned up to the massive mistake of Brexit, I reckon he'd give the Tories a much better chance of sinking Starmer below the waterline. I carry no torch for Starmer, especially given his current "No to SM & CU" mantra, but at least he's not trying to claim that Brexit is a great success, and my speculation is that pragmatism will win out in the end - it's just whether it's Labour or the Tories who get there first.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think even you know what making judgments mean, so go do it and tell us what you think.pangolin said:Stevo you're the one suggesting the evidence is in the manifesto but telling us all to go and "read between the lines".
Why not post the obvious smoking gun?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A draft Labour manifesto - it's persuasive evidence of their intent, don't you think? What else do you have to go on?rjsterry said:
Because it's not been published and is only a leaked draft internal consultation that will almost certainly be revised. Amazing how some can predict the future when it neatly conforms to his world view.pangolin said:Stevo you're the one suggesting the evidence is in the manifesto but telling us all to go and "read between the lines".
Why not post the obvious smoking gun?
If nothing, then should we mnot be worried that the wannabe next government isn't telling us much about their policies?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
These are the EU car makers which allegedly would never do that, right?TheBigBean said:EU car makers to the rescue.
https://www.ft.com/content/429b0889-8b08-4a3f-9936-8c5360fb27b3"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Have you read their draft manifesto as I advised you to? If not, then I'm more informed than you arebriantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
It's informed speculation, as I'm sure you're aware. See my reply to Rick above and have a read of the draft Labour manifesto, then apply some sceptical thinking.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Oh Brian, just because I've used a handy phease from your favourite rag doesn't mean much. How relevant is a Labour administration which came to power 26 years ago?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I was thinking more about the inevitable Labour war on wealth and wealth creators if they get in. You own business as well, so best of luck if they do...rjsterry said:
Just announced a clear housebuilding policy so already a massive advantage over the nimby parties.Stevo_666 said:
Don't worry, Labour are limbering up in the wings ready to outdo any Johnsonn rhetoric. You run a business so good luck if they do get in.skyblueamateur said:
It’s the new reality. ‘F*ck business’ were the only true words Johnson ever muttered.sungod said:
more brexiter red tapetailwindhome said:
The hilarious logic of this - all food for UK supermarkets will bear the label 'Not for sale in EU' so no difference is made between products for the GB and the UK markets.tailwindhome said:Superb work all round
This rule won't apply - to products made in NI
I see you've swallowed the Torygraph "war on whatever" line. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, business did quite well out of Blair & co, not least as the economy as a whole expanded, which allowed them to fund things like the NHS better. Seems like a win-win to me.
More relevant than looking back to dead-end Corbyn, or the pre-Thatcher era, which is what I suspect you and the Telegraph are thinking of. At the risk of going all sealion, if you've got any more concrete evidence that Labour will be worse for business than the current iteration of the Tory Party, now's the time to share it. We're all ears.
What makes you think Labour will be good for business?
'Informed speculation'. Informed by what, pray? That's not exactly evidence.
If Labour rebuilds bridges with the EU to reduce friction, that will be good for business. Hell, if we re-joined the SM & CU, that would be even better for business (though I admit that's unlikely in the short term).
As I've said before, if Sunak chucked out the loons and owned up to the massive mistake of Brexit, I reckon he'd give the Tories a much better chance of sinking Starmer below the waterline. I carry no torch for Starmer, especially given his current "No to SM & CU" mantra, but at least he's not trying to claim that Brexit is a great success, and my speculation is that pragmatism will win out in the end - it's just whether it's Labour or the Tories who get there first.
Yes, read it. Can't see anything too anti-business in there, and lots to deal with the problems holding it back. My biggest gripe would be ruling out the return to freedom of movement, which I grant you, could hold businesses back.0 -
This is a bit like walking into a Torycar dealership, with a chequebook ready, wanting to be persuaded ("Tell me why I should buy this Torycar Mk.4"), and being told that I really shouldn't buy a new Skoda because they made shït cars in the 1970s.0
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Nothing then?Stevo_666 said:
I think even you know what making judgments mean, so go do it and tell us what you think.pangolin said:Stevo you're the one suggesting the evidence is in the manifesto but telling us all to go and "read between the lines".
Why not post the obvious smoking gun?- Genesis Croix de Fer
- Dolan Tuono0 -
To be fair you can see the case for Labour being bad for business after the stratospheric improvements business owners and the wider economy have benefitted from over the past 13 years of Tory Government and especially the last 7 years.
I’m really struggling to understand how anyone can think things will be made worse and I’m certainly prepared to take that chance.1 -
+1 to this.Pross said:To be fair you can see the case for Labour being bad for business after the stratospheric improvements business owners and the wider economy have benefitted from over the past 13 years of Tory Government and especially the last 7 years.
I’m really struggling to understand how anyone can think things will be made worse and I’m certainly prepared to take that chance.
The other thing is whether you disagree with the Labour manifesto, they will stick to it, and people and businesses can plan accordingly. The Tories will inevitably change leaders at the first sign of a wobble, and who will you get, and how will they pivot? Braverman? Johnson V2?0 -
Difficult to say without seeing it. Post a link and I'll have a look. They've made a very clear pro-housebuilding statement so that already puts them several steps ahead on wealth creation (as opposed to wealth hording). Your lot are fundamentally opposed to development and are actively restricting housebuilding so would fit into the latter category.Stevo_666 said:
A draft Labour manifesto - it's persuasive evidence of their intent, don't you think? What else do you have to go on?rjsterry said:
Because it's not been published and is only a leaked draft internal consultation that will almost certainly be revised. Amazing how some can predict the future when it neatly conforms to his world view.pangolin said:Stevo you're the one suggesting the evidence is in the manifesto but telling us all to go and "read between the lines".
Why not post the obvious smoking gun?
If nothing, then should we mnot be worried that the wannabe next government isn't telling us much about their policies?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Pross said:
To be fair you can see the case for Labour being bad for business after the stratospheric improvements business owners and the wider economy have benefitted from over the past 13 years of Tory Government and especially the last 7 years.
I’m really struggling to understand how anyone can think things will be made worse and I’m certainly prepared to take that chance.
Yeah, that's me too, really.
I don't put too much weight on manifestos, as they are nearly always either 'aspirations' or blatant "Vote for us as we'll give you more money" pitches that they never keep (equally bad on all sides). So then I take my own assessment of how honest. competent, pragmatic and humane I guess they'll be, and put my cross on the paper.
Though this next one, I just want this bunch of charlatans given a good kicking so that out in the wilderness they can boot out the loons like Braverman and reinvent themselves as a vaguely sensible and competent party.0 -
Who said anything about a smoking gun? Lots of vague promises that clearly will need lots of spending and as usual, no specified way of funding them.pangolin said:
So what is there you can see that will really improve things and is feasible? It would be good to hear your views for a change."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sounds like turkeys voting for Christmas to me.Pross said:To be fair you can see the case for Labour being bad for business after the stratospheric improvements business owners and the wider economy have benefitted from over the past 13 years of Tory Government and especially the last 7 years.
I’m really struggling to understand how anyone can think things will be made worse and I’m certainly prepared to take that chance."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
