BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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The lack of self-awareness demonstrated by Frosty the Halfwit is incredible.Jezyboy said:
Frosty must be thanking his lucky stars that that's the case.tailwindhome said:Ha!
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Pre-requisite for the job he was asked to do as Brexit negotiator. Can't really do what BJ wanted with a level of self awareness.wallace_and_gromit said:
The lack of self-awareness demonstrated by Frosty the Halfwit is incredible.Jezyboy said:
Frosty must be thanking his lucky stars that that's the case.tailwindhome said:Ha!
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The Telegraph daring to print this headline... a few readers might get a fit of the vapours.
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It's interesting that it's a Tory breaking ranks and mentioning the bleedin' obvious, rather than anyone from Labour. Starmer's obviously got his party on a very tight leash.0
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rick_chasey said:
Gotta win the election.
Yes indeed - you've got to be impressed by the discipline, even if you don't like the message.0 -
The consequences of Brexit getting the attention of even right-wing writers in the US...
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4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:0 -
briantrumpet said:
The consequences of Brexit getting the attention of even right-wing writers in the US...
The result: winter tomato gluts on the continent, winter tomato shortages in the United Kingdom.
Is not true.0 -
If you're going to be a convert then you might as well be a zealous one.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:0 -
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves0 -
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves0 -
I was always bemused by hammond stating at some fiscal event that "the British people did not vote to make themselves poorer"briantrumpet said:The consequences of Brexit getting the attention of even right-wing writers in the US...
that is exactly what they did0 -
Tobias Ellwood is not a convert, he has always been a remainer.wallace_and_gromit said:
If you're going to be a convert then you might as well be a zealous one.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
He's one of the best MPs in the whole House. It's a real shame he didn't want to run for the leadership as he speaks sense on most things.4 -
But not this, apparentlyDorset_Boy said:
Tobias Ellwood is not a convert, he has always been a remainer.wallace_and_gromit said:
If you're going to be a convert then you might as well be a zealous one.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
He's one of the best MPs in the whole House. It's a real shame he didn't want to run for the leadership as he speaks sense on most things.
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The numbers are probably wrong. The assessment of the mood - which is the more important point - is more accurate. I doubt anyone would change their mind if you told them that actually it wasn't 4%, but 1.73% or whatever.TheBigBean said:
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I thought it was widely accepted that we are 4-5% smaller than we otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves0 -
Sure, but then that is the whole point behind sending £350m a week to the EU.rjsterry said:
The numbers are probably wrong. The assessment of the mood - which is the more important point - is more accurate. I doubt anyone would change their mind if you told them that actually it wasn't 4%, but 1.73% or whatever.TheBigBean said:
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves0 -
OBR says it's 4%TheBigBean said:
Sure, but then that is the whole point behind sending £350m a week to the EU.rjsterry said:
The numbers are probably wrong. The assessment of the mood - which is the more important point - is more accurate. I doubt anyone would change their mind if you told them that actually it wasn't 4%, but 1.73% or whatever.TheBigBean said:
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-26/uk-economy-4-smaller-because-of-brexit-obr-s-hughes-says0 -
and is the expectation that it will continue to grow by 0.5%pa?rick_chasey said:
OBR says it's 4%TheBigBean said:
Sure, but then that is the whole point behind sending £350m a week to the EU.rjsterry said:
The numbers are probably wrong. The assessment of the mood - which is the more important point - is more accurate. I doubt anyone would change their mind if you told them that actually it wasn't 4%, but 1.73% or whatever.TheBigBean said:
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-26/uk-economy-4-smaller-because-of-brexit-obr-s-hughes-says0 -
Will be in long run i.e. 2030.rick_chasey said:
OBR says it's 4%TheBigBean said:
Sure, but then that is the whole point behind sending £350m a week to the EU.rjsterry said:
The numbers are probably wrong. The assessment of the mood - which is the more important point - is more accurate. I doubt anyone would change their mind if you told them that actually it wasn't 4%, but 1.73% or whatever.TheBigBean said:
GDP would be 4% less than it would have been every year after 2030 based on the original forecasts. Note a chunk of this comes from the difference in population growths.surrey_commuter said:
it is either deliberately misleading or badly phrased but you could just about argue it is true as every year GDP is 4% less than it otherwise would have been.TheBigBean said:
4% of GDP every year?rick_chasey said:
Either way most of the electorate will have no idea what he is talking about so if he wants change he should show pictures of queues and empty shelves
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-26/uk-economy-4-smaller-because-of-brexit-obr-s-hughes-says0 -
It does make me wonder whether British folk should train to be plumbers, so we can return the favour in Poland.
Oh, hang on, no, we ended free movement.
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The article makes reference to the comparison being on PPP-adjusted GDP per capita, a perfectly sensible measure. It also highlights that the UK's measure is slightly higher than that for France and lower than for Germany. So it's reasonable to assume the UK's measure is broadly the same as for Italy and Spain too.briantrumpet said:It does make me wonder whether British folk should train to be plumbers, so we can return the favour in Poland.
Oh, hang on, no, we ended free movement.
If Poland is going to overtake the UK on this measure (I'm not commenting on this claim) it will surely overtake Italy, Spain and France too. So is this more a tale of Polish success rather than UK decline?1 -
Poland's post-soviet transformation is nothing short of remarkable, and though the attention is rightly on their horrendous social policies and the threat to democracy plainly there is a tonne to learn from Poland.wallace_and_gromit said:
The article makes reference to the comparison being on PPP-adjusted GDP per capita, a perfectly sensible measure. It also highlights that the UK's measure is slightly higher than that for France and lower than for Germany. So it's reasonable to assume the UK's measure is broadly the same as for Italy and Spain too.briantrumpet said:It does make me wonder whether British folk should train to be plumbers, so we can return the favour in Poland.
Oh, hang on, no, we ended free movement.
If Poland is going to overtake the UK on this measure (I'm not commenting on this claim) it will surely overtake Italy, Spain and France too. So is this more a tale of Polish success rather than UK decline?
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first thing to learn is that there is no quick fix and that progress is measured in decadesrick_chasey said:
Poland's post-soviet transformation is nothing short of remarkable, and though the attention is rightly on their horrendous social policies and the threat to democracy plainly there is a tonne to learn from Poland.wallace_and_gromit said:
The article makes reference to the comparison being on PPP-adjusted GDP per capita, a perfectly sensible measure. It also highlights that the UK's measure is slightly higher than that for France and lower than for Germany. So it's reasonable to assume the UK's measure is broadly the same as for Italy and Spain too.briantrumpet said:It does make me wonder whether British folk should train to be plumbers, so we can return the favour in Poland.
Oh, hang on, no, we ended free movement.
If Poland is going to overtake the UK on this measure (I'm not commenting on this claim) it will surely overtake Italy, Spain and France too. So is this more a tale of Polish success rather than UK decline?0 -
All without joining the Euro.rick_chasey said:
Poland's post-soviet transformation is nothing short of remarkable, and though the attention is rightly on their horrendous social policies and the threat to democracy plainly there is a tonne to learn from Poland.wallace_and_gromit said:
The article makes reference to the comparison being on PPP-adjusted GDP per capita, a perfectly sensible measure. It also highlights that the UK's measure is slightly higher than that for France and lower than for Germany. So it's reasonable to assume the UK's measure is broadly the same as for Italy and Spain too.briantrumpet said:It does make me wonder whether British folk should train to be plumbers, so we can return the favour in Poland.
Oh, hang on, no, we ended free movement.
If Poland is going to overtake the UK on this measure (I'm not commenting on this claim) it will surely overtake Italy, Spain and France too. So is this more a tale of Polish success rather than UK decline?1 -
Britain didn't have to join the Euro either.
Pre Brexit that is.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I guess it's also worth noting that Poland's net contribution to EU coffers has been negative to the tune of circa 3% of GDP. Most economies would benefit from that! I guess Poland may transition to being a net contributor soon.0
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These things bounce around but Germany tends to be significantly ahead of UK/France who tend to be neck and neck with Spain/Italy significantly behind us.wallace_and_gromit said:
The article makes reference to the comparison being on PPP-adjusted GDP per capita, a perfectly sensible measure. It also highlights that the UK's measure is slightly higher than that for France and lower than for Germany. So it's reasonable to assume the UK's measure is broadly the same as for Italy and Spain too.briantrumpet said:It does make me wonder whether British folk should train to be plumbers, so we can return the favour in Poland.
Oh, hang on, no, we ended free movement.
If Poland is going to overtake the UK on this measure (I'm not commenting on this claim) it will surely overtake Italy, Spain and France too. So is this more a tale of Polish success rather than UK decline?
I am no expert but would not be putting my hard earned on Poland surpassing the UK by 2030. Extrapolating the current performance seems a bit naive and if they do catch us it will take some effort from the UK0
