BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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The majority who don't know what they're talking about, possibly? Or the majority who have an agenda?TheBigBean said:
That's probably the majority world view.rick_chasey said:It’s just they don’t want foreigners making decisions that even remotely affect them at all. That’s what it boils down to.
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Better than colonialism.rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t make it right.TheBigBean said:
That's probably the majority world view.rick_chasey said:It’s just they don’t want foreigners making decisions that even remotely affect them at all. That’s what it boils down to.
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No disputing that. Don’t think the EU is colonialism though, despite what some Brexiter a say.TheBigBean said:
Better than colonialism.rick_chasey said:
Doesn’t make it right.TheBigBean said:
That's probably the majority world view.rick_chasey said:It’s just they don’t want foreigners making decisions that even remotely affect them at all. That’s what it boils down to.
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Today's sweeping assumption prize 🏆TheBigBean said:
That's probably the majority world view.rick_chasey said:It’s just they don’t want foreigners making decisions that even remotely affect them at all. That’s what it boils down to.
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When we were a member of the EU I never felt that my fellow members were foreigners. Now they are! And we can't participate in any debate where they discuss what to do.rick_chasey said:It’s just they don’t want foreigners making decisions that even remotely affect them at all. That’s what it boils down to.
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Well yes prosperity always comes from freeer trade with your neighbours and Brexit is the opposite.
But a big chunk of old people aren’t interested in free trade. They’ve made their money. They just want the world to look like it did when they were young.
Decades of actual growth means we’re much richer than when the oldies were growing up so they think the youth have it easy.
In reality the youth have considerably less opportunity unless you are born into a rich family.
That growth that the old grew up with has been absent for a decade and a half.
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I agree with most of this but not your opening paragraph.rick_chasey said:Well yes prosperity always comes from freeer trade with your neighbours and Brexit is the opposite.
But a big chunk of old people aren’t interested in free trade. They’ve made their money. They just want the world to look like it did when they were young.
Decades of actual growth means we’re much richer than when the oldies were growing up so they think the youth have it easy.
In reality the youth have considerably less opportunity unless you are born into a rich family.
That growth that the old grew up with has been absent for a decade and a half.
They don’t care - they made their money.
Prosperity comes from having something to trade. If people want it badly enough, barriers will be overcome.
Oil states and Switzerland don’t make any particular effort to be easy to deal with. They don’t need to.
I do however agree that a nation like the UK with limited offering that is truly unique and high demand, making trade easy is definitely to be encouraged.
Unfortunately, the Brexit mindset seem to be pull up the drawbridge.0 -
Do you really think that somebody thick enough to vote for Brexit puts that much thought into the economic consequences on a macro level or forecast the impact upon themselves for the next couple of decades?rick_chasey said:Well yes prosperity always comes from freeer trade with your neighbours and Brexit is the opposite.
But a big chunk of old people aren’t interested in free trade. They’ve made their money. They just want the world to look like it did when they were young.
Decades of actual growth means we’re much richer than when the oldies were growing up so they think the youth have it easy.
In reality the youth have considerably less opportunity unless you are born into a rich family.
That growth that the old grew up with has been absent for a decade and a half.
They don’t care - they made their money.
Their North Star is a fear and loathing of foreigners0 -
They know it’s costly. I do speak to some of these people. Anecdotally, they think being “British”, like what it used to mean (before it meant all TV programmes having a diverse cast etc) is worth the cost because life was great back then.surrey_commuter said:
Do you really think that somebody thick enough to vote for Brexit puts that much thought into the economic consequences on a macro level or forecast the impact upon themselves for the next couple of decades?rick_chasey said:Well yes prosperity always comes from freeer trade with your neighbours and Brexit is the opposite.
But a big chunk of old people aren’t interested in free trade. They’ve made their money. They just want the world to look like it did when they were young.
Decades of actual growth means we’re much richer than when the oldies were growing up so they think the youth have it easy.
In reality the youth have considerably less opportunity unless you are born into a rich family.
That growth that the old grew up with has been absent for a decade and a half.
They don’t care - they made their money.
Their North Star is a fear and loathing of foreigners
But not so great that the young are right to moan about housing because did we not know that interest rates were really high.
They also don’t believe the labour shortage. Literally. They think firms are lying.0 -
Not so sure about this, given that circa half of school leavers go into higher education these days. It was 5%-10% in old days when the current blue rinse brigade left school. And the range of jobs available is so much wider than in those days. Plus the availability and low cost of travel promotes mobility, which enhances opportunities.rick_chasey said:In reality the youth have considerably less opportunity unless you are born into a rich family.
I guess much depends on the definition of "rich".
Fair to say though that an 18 yo now has fewer opportunities than an 18 yo did in the immediate pre-Brexit days.
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This cutting red tape idea: the Cabinet Office is currently producing YouTube videos to explain the extra red tape that has resulted from Brexit. In other words we need to cut red tape just to get back to where we were.
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Switching the timetable around so the Protocol Bill clears the Commons tomorrow
Presumably before the final two are known
Mad stuff altogether“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Offshoring animal cruelty, to get that trade deal headline. The UK was leading the way in the EU, and now we've just thrown in the towel. Animals can't vote, so stuff them.
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I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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Lots of Aussies were not happy with the deal.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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Current govt keep undermining your Brexit benefitsTheBigBean said:
Lots of Aussies were not happy with the deal.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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Can you elaborate?TheBigBean said:
Lots of Aussies were not happy with the deal.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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Can't remember exactly, but it involves more liberal visas for Brits.rjsterry said:
Can you elaborate?TheBigBean said:
Lots of Aussies were not happy with the deal.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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Then vote in a new one.rick_chasey said:
Current govt keep undermining your Brexit benefitsTheBigBean said:
Lots of Aussies were not happy with the deal.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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The pros & cons of this deal would have been thrashed out in Parliament before it was signed“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Nowhere else to put this and not worth its own thread but for EU watchers this made me properly LOL
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After all that Brexit unity as well.rick_chasey said:Nowhere else to put this and not worth its own thread but for EU watchers this made me properly LOL
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You need to think like a negotiator, not like a Cake Stopper.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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You need to think like a negotiator with very little to offer and desperation to be seen to have got a deal outside of the EU.Stevo_666 said:
You need to think like a negotiator, not like a Cake Stopper.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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If only Truss had. Timtams, eh? And slightly cheaper Jacob's Creek.Stevo_666 said:
You need to think like a negotiator, not like a Cake Stopper.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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So have you or anyone else actually analysed the trade agreement with Aus and come to a reasoned conclusion on this? Or are you just assuming as RJS seems to be?Pross said:
You need to think like a negotiator with very little to offer and desperation to be seen to have got a deal outside of the EU.Stevo_666 said:
You need to think like a negotiator, not like a Cake Stopper.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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I think you're assuming it is a bad deal. If you have looked at the details then let me know and explain why its bad.rjsterry said:
If only Truss had. Timtams, eh? And slightly cheaper Jacob's Creek.Stevo_666 said:
You need to think like a negotiator, not like a Cake Stopper.rjsterry said:
I think in the case of that deal we just gave Australia whatever they asked for. The Aussies couldn't believe their luck IIRC.rick_chasey said:No waaaaay. Almost like leaving a big trading bloc lost the UK’s leverage for defining standards
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