BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Brexit opportunity #1 : Getting rid of Boris Johnson. Expensive, but worth it long term.0
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Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Is it bonkers?tailwindhome said:
Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread0 -
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Crucial Point
"We've no idea how to make this work, you sort it out, Aren't we clever!"We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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It wouldn't be bonkers if it was an agreed way forward. As it is, it's just designed to provoke barriers going up and it being the EU that does it.0
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Even Hilary Benn thinks the current EU proposals don't work, so what's the realistic approach to find a solution?kingstongraham said:It wouldn't be bonkers if it was an agreed way forward. As it is, it's just designed to provoke barriers going up and it being the EU that does it.
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Over in EU land, the EU has decided USB-C is the future. Never seems very good to me, but sadly the private sector won't be able to solve that now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-617202760 -
Didn't the private sector come up with USB C as the current preferred charger in new stuff?
Can't say I've ever noticed any particular problem with any of the USB plug shapes, apart from not having the right one to hand.0 -
In what way not very good? The Apple cable is just Apple being proprietary. Everyone else is using USB-C anyway. It has the modest advantage of not having a wrong way up.TheBigBean said:Over in EU land, the EU has decided USB-C is the future. Never seems very good to me, but sadly the private sector won't be able to solve that now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-617202761985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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A hard border somewhere or rejoining the customs union.TheBigBean said:
Even Hilary Benn thinks the current EU proposals don't work, so what's the realistic approach to find a solution?kingstongraham said:It wouldn't be bonkers if it was an agreed way forward. As it is, it's just designed to provoke barriers going up and it being the EU that does it.
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Yes.TheBigBean said:
Is it bonkers?tailwindhome said:
Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread
They're opening a trade war in the middle of a cost of living crisis with legislation that may be illegal, inoperable and possibly not get through Parliament anyway.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The trade war only starts when it becomes law. Tony Connelly expects that to take around a yeartailwindhome said:
Yes.TheBigBean said:
Is it bonkers?tailwindhome said:
Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread
They're opening a trade war in the middle of a cost of living crisis with legislation that may be illegal, inoperable and possibly not get through Parliament anyway.0 -
So not only bonkers for the reasons stated but does nothing for a year.TheBigBean said:
The trade war only starts when it becomes law. Tony Connelly expects that to take around a yeartailwindhome said:
Yes.TheBigBean said:
Is it bonkers?tailwindhome said:
Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread
They're opening a trade war in the middle of a cost of living crisis with legislation that may be illegal, inoperable and possibly not get through Parliament anyway.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It's too flimsy for a laptop and I suspect will lead to charging problems over time. Much preferred my old laptop one even if it was proprietary. It was just better.rjsterry said:
In what way not very good? The Apple cable is just Apple being proprietary. Everyone else is using USB-C anyway. It has the modest advantage of not having a wrong way up.TheBigBean said:Over in EU land, the EU has decided USB-C is the future. Never seems very good to me, but sadly the private sector won't be able to solve that now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276
My mobile is now a pain to charge as the cable always falls out. A colleague has the same problem on a different phone.
In contrast, all the charge ports in my old phones that used micro USB still work perfectly.
I also can't use a phone charger in my laptop or vice versa.
You can argue it is a small sample size, but it seems rubbish to me based on that size.
And whilst I generally dislike Apple, I think allowing companies to make what they like is a fight worth having. It's really not the government's place to dictate which tech must be used. I appreciate at this point I'm coming across like surrey_commuter.
I also realise that the government has legislated around wall sockets.
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Quite. USB-C is far superior to all the other cables in terms of…rjsterry said:
In what way not very good? The Apple cable is just Apple being proprietary. Everyone else is using USB-C anyway. It has the modest advantage of not having a wrong way up.TheBigBean said:Over in EU land, the EU has decided USB-C is the future. Never seems very good to me, but sadly the private sector won't be able to solve that now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276
Data transfer
Ease of use
Robustness.
The only objector would be Apple as they lose control of some of their accessories sales.
Owning an apple phone, I am of the opinion the lightning cable is a flimsy crap thing and the lack of USB-C is a major reason to not update it.0 -
Even if it is the best now, it won't be forever. Well, it will be in the EU.0
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I have had several google phones all with USB-C and never had an issue. The phone always breaks* before the charger.
I can charge my Surface Go and (sort of) Surface Laptop from USB-C.
(*may be more honest to say I always break the phone).
The reality is that the android cultists have known USB-C is superior for a few years now, it's time the Sheeple caught up and stopped extorting money from their customers.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I agree there is a need to be open to improvements which is possibly not catered for by the legislation.TheBigBean said:Even if it is the best now, it won't be forever. Well, it will be in the EU.
However, the innovation argument has not held water for several years now.
USB-C is a very good standard and lightning is shockingly bad by any meaningful comparison and yet apple have kept it for commercial not innovative reasons.
As with many things Apple, many of their policies are anti innovation so it’s a pretty weak argument.
The Eu is making the right decision for now. But I agree there needs to be a mechanism by which new (better) standards can be introduced.
I watch with interest as that is how I think the bike market needs to evolve. Some form of enforced standards that don’t block innovation.
A difficult balancing act I admit.0 -
Anyway, a moot point. In Britain we can benefit from Brexit phone.
It will be the size of a house brick and attaches directly to a car battery with crocodile clips.0 -
Not available in NI.0
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Braverman doing the job she was hired to do, not what a AG should do.
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It's also apparently not enough for the DUP to go back into the Assemblytailwindhome said:
So not only bonkers for the reasons stated but does nothing for a year.TheBigBean said:
The trade war only starts when it becomes law. Tony Connelly expects that to take around a yeartailwindhome said:
Yes.TheBigBean said:
Is it bonkers?tailwindhome said:
Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread
They're opening a trade war in the middle of a cost of living crisis with legislation that may be illegal, inoperable and possibly not get through Parliament anyway.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
If you read Tony Connelly's article the other day, they have gone with the "soft" option. The hard option would have been to legislate actual changes. That would have been more persuasive for the DUP.tailwindhome said:
It's also apparently not enough for the DUP to go back into the Assemblytailwindhome said:
So not only bonkers for the reasons stated but does nothing for a year.TheBigBean said:
The trade war only starts when it becomes law. Tony Connelly expects that to take around a yeartailwindhome said:
Yes.TheBigBean said:
Is it bonkers?tailwindhome said:
Government has gone bonkers
Click through the link to the thread
They're opening a trade war in the middle of a cost of living crisis with legislation that may be illegal, inoperable and possibly not get through Parliament anyway.
From afar I find all the concern about the assembly a bit weird. It was not functioning for ages before.
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My cable kept falling out and I fixed it by digging out the fluff with a pin.TheBigBean said:
It's too flimsy for a laptop and I suspect will lead to charging problems over time. Much preferred my old laptop one even if it was proprietary. It was just better.rjsterry said:
In what way not very good? The Apple cable is just Apple being proprietary. Everyone else is using USB-C anyway. It has the modest advantage of not having a wrong way up.TheBigBean said:Over in EU land, the EU has decided USB-C is the future. Never seems very good to me, but sadly the private sector won't be able to solve that now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276
My mobile is now a pain to charge as the cable always falls out. A colleague has the same problem on a different phone.
In contrast, all the charge ports in my old phones that used micro USB still work perfectly.
I also can't use a phone charger in my laptop or vice versa.
You can argue it is a small sample size, but it seems rubbish to me based on that size.
And whilst I generally dislike Apple, I think allowing companies to make what they like is a fight worth having. It's really not the government's place to dictate which tech must be used. I appreciate at this point I'm coming across like surrey_commuter.
I also realise that the government has legislated around wall sockets.
On a previous occasion this did not work and the bloke in the pop-up shop fixed it for £200 -
For clarity, do you think it is something governments should be legislating about?surrey_commuter said:
My cable kept falling out and I fixed it by digging out the fluff with a pin.TheBigBean said:
It's too flimsy for a laptop and I suspect will lead to charging problems over time. Much preferred my old laptop one even if it was proprietary. It was just better.rjsterry said:
In what way not very good? The Apple cable is just Apple being proprietary. Everyone else is using USB-C anyway. It has the modest advantage of not having a wrong way up.TheBigBean said:Over in EU land, the EU has decided USB-C is the future. Never seems very good to me, but sadly the private sector won't be able to solve that now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61720276
My mobile is now a pain to charge as the cable always falls out. A colleague has the same problem on a different phone.
In contrast, all the charge ports in my old phones that used micro USB still work perfectly.
I also can't use a phone charger in my laptop or vice versa.
You can argue it is a small sample size, but it seems rubbish to me based on that size.
And whilst I generally dislike Apple, I think allowing companies to make what they like is a fight worth having. It's really not the government's place to dictate which tech must be used. I appreciate at this point I'm coming across like surrey_commuter.
I also realise that the government has legislated around wall sockets.
On a previous occasion this did not work and the bloke in the pop-up shop fixed it for £200 -
If standardisation is beneficial to the consumer, then sure. If it's not, then not.
FWIW we have standardised the other end of charging cables (USB or into a socket).1 -
When on Zwift I forgot to don my sweatband and my lightning connector was trashed by a bead of sweat which hit the cable and ran onto the connector, which corroded. Luckily my Apple device socket was unaffected. So not a fan of lightning connectors. They are easily bent too. What genius thought they were a good idea, anyway?
It's too easy to let a commercial outfit push their ideas down people's throats. e.g. expensive agricultural machinery controlled by the manufacturer so no third party can offer cheaper alternative repair services. They can even lock the product making it trash unless the 'owner' pays them to fix it. Obsolescence through technology.
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If Apple make inferior, but safe products, then people should choose not to buy their products. It really isn't something a government needs to meddle with.morstar said:
I agree there is a need to be open to improvements which is possibly not catered for by the legislation.TheBigBean said:Even if it is the best now, it won't be forever. Well, it will be in the EU.
However, the innovation argument has not held water for several years now.
USB-C is a very good standard and lightning is shockingly bad by any meaningful comparison and yet apple have kept it for commercial not innovative reasons.
As with many things Apple, many of their policies are anti innovation so it’s a pretty weak argument.
The Eu is making the right decision for now. But I agree there needs to be a mechanism by which new (better) standards can be introduced.
I watch with interest as that is how I think the bike market needs to evolve. Some form of enforced standards that don’t block innovation.
A difficult balancing act I admit.
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The idea of a universal standard is great. It's what the U in USB is about. Legislating is just a bad idea and not the government's job.rick_chasey said:If standardisation is beneficial to the consumer, then sure. If it's not, then not.
FWIW we have standardised the other end of charging cables (USB or into a socket).0
