BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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UK was a masterclass of self interest and had a situation which they will never get again.
The public rejected that and the return is not to the status quo but a much more integrated setup which will never be accepted by the UK public whatsoever.
That’s if they’re even ever allowed back in.0 -
Rejoining simply isn’t an option for decades.
Seriously, it won’t win a clear mandate here even if anybody were bold enough to suggest it and why on earth the Eu would entertain it would be beyond me.
Like it or not, we are going ahead with life outside the Eu. The compromises will be done quietly in the background as they are and have been done for many months now. Personally, I think we’d be better served if the winners weren’t such bad winners and got on with delivering our new world rather than continuing to dredge up rhetoric that is perceived as vote winning.
Part of the reason Brexit is going so badly is they are fanning the dying embers desperately trying to keep the topic alive.
The NI is the joker in the pack, I really don’t know (and doubt anybody does) how that is all going to play out.0 -
Big week next week for the thing that's over and everyone should stop talking about.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
According to Tony Connelly, the legislation is likely to a year to come into effect, so there is still plenty of time to discuss things.tailwindhome said:Big week next week for the thing that's over and everyone should stop talking about.
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There used to be a crackpot on here who had an extensive list of countries that he considered to be in the EU.ddraver said:As I said...this is all just about defining and re-defining 'rejoin'
(anyone still sure they know what a 'windfall tax' is anymore? Same shiz...)
Being an EU member is binary and we will not be rejoining.0 -
Made me chuckle.briantrumpet said:WTF, on just about very level...
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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What odds would you give on Hannan claiming within the next 12 months that he never wanted to leave at all?surrey_commuter said:
There used to be a crackpot on here who had an extensive list of countries that he considered to be in the EU.ddraver said:As I said...this is all just about defining and re-defining 'rejoin'
(anyone still sure they know what a 'windfall tax' is anymore? Same shiz...)
Being an EU member is binary and we will not be rejoining.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's the remainers' fault, obviously.briantrumpet said:WTF, on just about very level...
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...but not sure I buy this as being all down to Brexit.
Having treated people like shit for decades and paid minimum wage to work what are, almost by definition, antisocial hours, it doesn't surprise me that people are sticking a middle finger up at the travel industry and doing something else instead...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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That was my point upthread. It’s quite clear, people who have found alternative work since covid have no interest in returning.ddraver said:
...but not sure I buy this as being all down to Brexit.
Having treated people like shit for decades and paid minimum wage to work what are, almost by definition, antisocial hours, it doesn't surprise me that people are sticking a middle finger up at the travel industry and doing something else instead...
Without turning into an anti airport rant, there is clearly something g a bit broken with the economic model of airports.
Huge volumes of people prepared to spend money while waiting, charge exorbitant prices for everything, e.g. dropping somebody off, pay minimal wages and yet you can’t run an efficient operation.
Maybe the last two points have a causal relationship.0 -
Airports across Europe are properly f@cked. Dublin had 5+ hours for check in, Schiphol the same. Brexit isn’t helping but it’s not really what’s going on here.
It is a f@cking pain to spend an additional 20-40 mins in the non-EU queue and it’s a rather awful physical manifestation of what has happened (not least as I could skip it if I was solo..) but it’s the airports which are screwed.0 -
It feels like it's much more down to the travel industry and their general lack of post pandemic planning.0
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It might help you understand better to draw an analogy with a car sale. A car dealer sells a car to a customer: the customer later brings it back for some minor repairs under warranty.rick_chasey said:
If Brexit is done why is the same govt renegotiating the NI protocol?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Just dropping in to rake over the dying embers.
What, of Brexit?
I think most people have given up on any positives coming out of it. Perhaps Goo could rename this the Brexit Damage Limitation Thread. Or the Deny It's Brexit Causing Chaos Thread.
You claiming that Brexit isn't done is a bit like claiming that the above car sale has not completed because the car needs some warranty work. Clearly not the case...
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Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections0 -
Non Brits can go through the Brits queue at Heathrow if they are with family members. It's worth finding out if there are similar situations elsewhere.rick_chasey said:Airports across Europe are properly f@cked. Dublin had 5+ hours for check in, Schiphol the same. Brexit isn’t helping but it’s not really what’s going on here.
It is a f@cking pain to spend an additional 20-40 mins in the non-EU queue and it’s a rather awful physical manifestation of what has happened (not least as I could skip it if I was solo..) but it’s the airports which are screwed.
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Same in stansted though I thought it was a half-term special - cuts both ways as families with under 12s were not allowed in any other queue.TheBigBean said:
Non Brits can go through the Brits queue at Heathrow if they are with family members. It's worth finding out if there are similar situations elsewhere.rick_chasey said:Airports across Europe are properly f@cked. Dublin had 5+ hours for check in, Schiphol the same. Brexit isn’t helping but it’s not really what’s going on here.
It is a f@cking pain to spend an additional 20-40 mins in the non-EU queue and it’s a rather awful physical manifestation of what has happened (not least as I could skip it if I was solo..) but it’s the airports which are screwed.0 -
Would it be the Brexit thread without somewhat stretched analogies?rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
Bearing that in mind, in the car sale/returned for warranty issues (which is probably appropriate because we got sold a lemon with brexit) I'd say brexit is more like the overall project related to the car model, rather than a single sale. If the model is suffering warranty issues, the management and shareholders are unlikely to consider the project complete, no matter how much they may wish it is.0 -
Your analogy ignores that we drove off leaving one of the four wheels at the dealership.Stevo_666 said:
It might help you understand better to draw an analogy with a car sale. A car dealer sells a car to a customer: the customer later brings it back for some minor repairs under warranty.rick_chasey said:
If Brexit is done why is the same govt renegotiating the NI protocol?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Just dropping in to rake over the dying embers.
What, of Brexit?
I think most people have given up on any positives coming out of it. Perhaps Goo could rename this the Brexit Damage Limitation Thread. Or the Deny It's Brexit Causing Chaos Thread.
You claiming that Brexit isn't done is a bit like claiming that the above car sale has not completed because the car needs some warranty work. Clearly not the case...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Can't decide between left hand drive or right hand drive? Go for our 'oven ready' package and we'll put the steering wheel in the middle, which suits nobody.0
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It's like buying a share in a car with a group of others, from a dealership that half of you insisted was dodgy.
The car turned out to cost more than planned and is in fact a tricycle, but the other half of the group are adamant we can't discuss it any more.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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...“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1
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I think the paperwork was lost in the bonfire of red tape...rick_chasey said:
What warranty anyway?
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Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.
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