BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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But we heard billions of times that Leaving the EU and staying in either the SM or CU wouldn't be brexit, so clearly brexit means more than just no longer being an EU member.surrey_commuter said:
Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.0 -
It intrigues me that tw@ts who say things like that couldbe in the final of a quiz and be asked "for a million pounds is orway a member of the EU"?Jezyboy said:
But we heard billions of times that Leaving the EU and staying in either the SM or CU wouldn't be brexit, so clearly brexit means more than just no longer being an EU member.surrey_commuter said:
Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.
It really is not difficult and people who argue otherwise should be ignored0 -
I find myself agreeing that those people are indeed tw@ts, but I do also think that it's difficult to claim brexit is done until you have fully negotiated and implemented all the legislation following on from Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
It intrigues me that tw@ts who say things like that couldbe in the final of a quiz and be asked "for a million pounds is orway a member of the EU"?Jezyboy said:
But we heard billions of times that Leaving the EU and staying in either the SM or CU wouldn't be brexit, so clearly brexit means more than just no longer being an EU member.surrey_commuter said:
Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.
It really is not difficult and people who argue otherwise should be ignored
The ongoing apparent saga of the protocol (and status of border checks) does feel like Brexit isn't quite, completely, finished.
I don't necessarily see this as a problem, it's a huge project, it is worth getting right. But if Boris is going to blithely say Brexit is done, when it's not all the way there, then he should be pulled up on it.
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Rees-Mogg today: “I also think that, without Boris Johnson, Brexit will not be delivered”
Someone needs to tell him it's already over.0 -
Brexit was and is about leaving the EU.Jezyboy said:
I find myself agreeing that those people are indeed tw@ts, but I do also think that it's difficult to claim brexit is done until you have fully negotiated and implemented all the legislation following on from Brexit.surrey_commuter said:
It intrigues me that tw@ts who say things like that couldbe in the final of a quiz and be asked "for a million pounds is orway a member of the EU"?Jezyboy said:
But we heard billions of times that Leaving the EU and staying in either the SM or CU wouldn't be brexit, so clearly brexit means more than just no longer being an EU member.surrey_commuter said:
Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.
It really is not difficult and people who argue otherwise should be ignored
The ongoing apparent saga of the protocol (and status of border checks) does feel like Brexit isn't quite, completely, finished.
I don't necessarily see this as a problem, it's a huge project, it is worth getting right. But if Boris is going to blithely say Brexit is done, when it's not all the way there, then he should be pulled up on it.
The USA is continuously redefining it's relationship with the EU.
All of the problems around NI and trade in general are down to us no longer being members of the EU.
Imagine if you bought a car and it suffered a series of problems that were not covered by the warranty. Then imagine that you solve the problem by selling the car and using public transport. If you then find PT too unreliable and start using taxis it does not mean you have rebought your car.0 -
So Brexit is 'done' but not 'delivered'?
Should have sent it recorded delivery really, it's kind of important.kingstongraham said:Rees-Mogg today: “I also think that, without Boris Johnson, Brexit will not be delivered”
Someone needs to tell him it's already over.0 -
it'll only be over when all the brexiteers' promises are fulfilledkingstongraham said:Rees-Mogg today: “I also think that, without Boris Johnson, Brexit will not be delivered”
Someone needs to tell him it's already over.
though it's more probable that the earth will be destroyed by vogons before that happensmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.0 -
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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surrey_commuter said:
Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.0 -
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Exactly.tailwindhome said:surrey_commuter said:
Brexit was about leaving the EU, Brexit is done!!!rick_chasey said:Ok what is Brexit and what is Brexit “being done”?
Is it or is it not completing the negotiations for the future relationship post EU membership?
If so, on what basis does reopening negotiations on the future arrangement because they didn’t like what they signed a year and a half ago not still Brexit?
Your analogy doesn’t work as it’s an agreement both sides willingly entered, not a sales transaction which has different guarantees and protections
If you count the current situation as not done then it will never be done.
It is like going on holiday to find that the brochures were misleading, so you aren't happy with the destination. Walking around the hotel saying you haven't goe on holiday would be ludicrous.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I guess (most of) the family still went on holiday!0
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The remainer still had to deal with all the problems.0
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I'm assuming the rubbish analogies are for comic effect now...pangolin said:
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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A rubbish analogy is like a rubbish cheeseboard...ddraver said:
I'm assuming the rubbish analogies are for comic effect now...pangolin said:
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.0 -
I think that is the point of the analogy. The birth is Brexit and then you deal with the consequences until the end of time.pangolin said:
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.0 -
Obviously in both cases, that does not apply if you are Boris Johnson.surrey_commuter said:
I think that is the point of the analogy. The birth is Brexit and then you deal with the consequences until the end of time.pangolin said:
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.2 -
The Middle Ages lasted a long time but did come to an end. I wonder if the Brexit Ages will have a better innings.surrey_commuter said:
I think that is the point of the analogy. The birth is Brexit and then you deal with the consequences until the end of time.pangolin said:
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Middle Ages is an odd term, one for the Trivially Intriguing thread I think.0
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Almost - one could realistically hope (if you do a good job as a parent day-to-day) that by the time your kids are in their mid 20s that they will be fully responsible for their own actions and that outside of freak medical / health issues, you don't actually have to do anything for them, even though you can still invite them on holidays, help out with childcare / DIY etc. because it's actually a nice thing to do together. Conversely, if you knock out a couple of kids and then don't take your parenting responsibilities seriously, then they'll run wild and cause havoc so you'll be repeatedly collecting them from school, police stations etc. and/or paying for the damage that they cause before they come back and live with you in their 30s having run out of money and friends, and are also unemployable.surrey_commuter said:
I think that is the point of the analogy. The birth is Brexit and then you deal with the consequences until the end of time.pangolin said:
What is Brexit then, when would it be done? Or is it a catchall for the situation the UK is in from leaving the EU until the end of time?wallace_and_gromit said:
That's the politicians' approach do "doing something" though I'd say. i.e. make an announcement, introduce new legislation etc, lose interest and move onto messing something else up. What counts in the real world is "making things happen" with the caveat that in the case of Brexit, these things should collectively be demonstrably beneficial to the country as a whole.pangolin said:
I mean that's not true. Brexit (if we accept that the main definition was leaving the EU) is done.wallace_and_gromit said:Brexit will only be done when
i) There is something - anything - in place that wasn't possible pre-Brexit, the benefit of which clearly exceeds the cost of what has been lost by undergoing Brexit; or
ii) One of the leaders of the Leave campaign acknowledges that Brexit has achieved nothing of substance, not because of the EU or remainers or the establishment oe lefty human rights lawyers, "enemies of the people" judges etc. but because it was fundamentally a flawed concept.
Ergo, it will carry on forever.
What is silly is the notion that because we've left we should no longer discuss it.
As an analogy, Mrs W&G once said to me "Let's get parenting done" (or words to that effect.) Some time later - the transition period was 9 months I think, with no 2nd referendum - we became parents, but nearly 20 years later, the project is still ongoing in terms of making the world a better place by how we've brought up our kids.
The "Brexit is done" viewpoint is equivalent to a couple of feckless oiks having a quickie and then abandoning the resulting issue because they'd prefer to go clubbing.
Parenting is another poor analogy, you never stop being a parent.0 -
"Also it's come to my attention that if anyone remotely competent was leader, I'll be sent to the back benches quicker than one can say Victorian cosplayer."kingstongraham said:Rees-Mogg today: “I also think that, without Boris Johnson, Brexit will not be delivered”
Someone needs to tell him it's already over.0 -
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Are you absolutely sure you did a history degree? 😉
Prehistory > Antiquity > Medieval > Modern.
Renaissance counts as Early Modern.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I heard an interview with rees mogg on 5live, it really feels like they are governing based on what is in the best interests of Brexit, not Britain.
It's odd.
Fwiw, I think Brexit is done, and they should move on.0 -
Nice one for being witty, but it doesn’t change the underlying point, which I notice you're not counteringrjsterry said:
Your analogy ignores that we drove off leaving one of the four wheels at the dealership.Stevo_666 said:
It might help you understand better to draw an analogy with a car sale. A car dealer sells a car to a customer: the customer later brings it back for some minor repairs under warranty.rick_chasey said:
If Brexit is done why is the same govt renegotiating the NI protocol?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Just dropping in to rake over the dying embers.
What, of Brexit?
I think most people have given up on any positives coming out of it. Perhaps Goo could rename this the Brexit Damage Limitation Thread. Or the Deny It's Brexit Causing Chaos Thread.
You claiming that Brexit isn't done is a bit like claiming that the above car sale has not completed because the car needs some warranty work. Clearly not the case...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
No, it's a simple analogy so you can understand. Well hopefully.rick_chasey said:What warranty anyway?
Who enforces the warranty? It’s a stupid analogy for a simple problem."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
