BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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rick_chasey said:
Obviously it's not Brexit-related, despite the fact that he says it is... probably something to do with Corbyn, or HGV drivers, or foreigners...0 -
Saw similar signs on the M6 between Wigan and Walsall on Monday too. I wasn't sure if it was due to shortages or because the service stations seemed to either be in road works sections or being refurbished. I stopped at Hilton Park for a break and the fuel situation there seemed fine. Fuel at Frankley was fine and also around the same / slightly cheaper than non-motorway fuel stations I passed which seemed odd (Hilton Park was 20p more).joenobody said:
There are definitely fuel supply issues at M1 services (maybe also M40), as recent as yesterday and depending on your choice of vehicle. I drove from Nottingham to Reading and saw signs for every service station I passed stating one of the following issues:Stevo_666 said:
Depends when you were due to travel but it has been 'out there' since at least some time last week.rjsterry said:
Great to know in hindsight. Far from certain at the time.Stevo_666 said:
I think I mentioned above that the motorway and dual carriage service stations were prioritised for obvious reason, so there appeared to be no real issues and I certainly didn't have any on a roundtrip to and from Liverpool - filled up at a BP station on the M1 near Derby and about a 60 second wait to get to the pump. So you could do it.rjsterry said:
Yes, was hilarious getting my elderly mother in law back home to Bristol without a car. I'm not really interested in the causes, it's still a failure that basic supplies like fuel aren't available.Stevo_666 said:
In a little while people will have forgotten about this and be whingeing about something else.rjsterry said:
Remember in the good old days when you could just drive to any petrol station at more or less any time and they would just have petrol? And the only queue would be at the till behind a guy deciding what fags he wanted.Stevo_666 said:
Wrong again. I knew I needed petrol in the next week and I knew I could get it, but didn't fancy queuing for long. So rather than do a petrol station tour, I acted on a handy piece of info. Hopefully that helps you stop assuming as well?Pross said:Going to a fuel station your mate has texted you to say "only" had 10 minute queues and in your own words brimming it when you apparently weren't looking to fill up sounds very panic buying to me (or at least the definition being used by those claiming such behaviour was panic buying 10 days ago when we were being told it was such people causing the problems and not a lack of drivers).
Also quite amusing that some people are still trying to convince themelves that this is purely Brexit related.
No fuel
No HGV fuel
Only HGV fuel
I didn't need to fill up, although it looked like I could have done in Nottingham itself, but no chance once I got home as all local petrol stations that I passed were closed. With hindsight I should have made the time to fill up before I left as I'll likely need to go back up there next week and it'll be tight with what I have left in the tank.0 -
Is it subsidy related? They wanted a massive one to invest in a country.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Obviously it's not Brexit-related, despite the fact that he says it is... probably something to do with Corbyn, or HGV drivers, or foreigners...0 -
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Mrs RJS has managed to get some petrol and is now almost delirious.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
Mrs RJS has managed to get some petrol and is now almost delirious.
A fit of the vapours?0 -
Is she turning Japanese?briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:Mrs RJS has managed to get some petrol and is now almost delirious.
A fit of the vapours?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Did the car get any?rjsterry said:Mrs RJS has managed to get some petrol and is now almost delirious.
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So, in the coming has shortage NG have said the UK will be paying more for our has than the EU, so that's great.0
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https://voxeu.org/article/new-evidence-economics-immigration-ukNew evidence on the economics of immigration to the UK
The striking element of all of these results – found by different papers using different methodologies and different data – is not just that immigration appears to have a positive impact on productivity growth, but that this impact is large; indeed, as the MAC say, arguably “implausibly large”, reflecting perhaps that some of the estimated impact may incorporate region- or sector-specific trends (despite the instrumental variable approach used by all the papers). Nevertheless, it’s worth noting that the estimates are broadly consistent with the most recent cross-country evidence (Jaumotte et al. 2016). In previous work, Giuseppe Forte and I found that post-Brexit reductions in immigration would likely have large negative impacts on UK productivity and GDP per capita (Forte and Portes 2016); that conclusion is strongly reinforced by this new evidence.Taken together with the evidence on productivity, this has important implications for the political economy of immigration. It is often argued that the evidence from studies of the direct impact of immigration on wages suggests that while immigration may have positive impacts overall – for GDP and even per capita GDP – there are adverse distributional consequences, and that low-paid workers in particular would benefit from much tighter immigration controls (Goodhart 2017). However, if the indirect impacts on productivity and the public finances are as suggested by these papers, then any direct positive impacts on wages would be more than outweighed by the resulting necessity to increase taxes or to reduce spending on public services, at all points of the wage and income distribution.
You'd have thought this would put the disagreement over the economics to bed.0 -
Worth reading the reply below from Alan Lyons in that twitter thread. In case anyone had forgotten Nissans reasoning, here it is. Horses for courses etc.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:
Obviously it's not Brexit-related, despite the fact that he says it is... probably something to do with Corbyn, or HGV drivers, or foreigners...
https://independent.co.uk/news/business/nissan-brexit-uk-investment-sunderland-b1791132.html"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nah.rick_chasey said:https://voxeu.org/article/new-evidence-economics-immigration-uk
New evidence on the economics of immigration to the UK
The striking element of all of these results – found by different papers using different methodologies and different data – is not just that immigration appears to have a positive impact on productivity growth, but that this impact is large; indeed, as the MAC say, arguably “implausibly large”, reflecting perhaps that some of the estimated impact may incorporate region- or sector-specific trends (despite the instrumental variable approach used by all the papers). Nevertheless, it’s worth noting that the estimates are broadly consistent with the most recent cross-country evidence (Jaumotte et al. 2016). In previous work, Giuseppe Forte and I found that post-Brexit reductions in immigration would likely have large negative impacts on UK productivity and GDP per capita (Forte and Portes 2016); that conclusion is strongly reinforced by this new evidence.Taken together with the evidence on productivity, this has important implications for the political economy of immigration. It is often argued that the evidence from studies of the direct impact of immigration on wages suggests that while immigration may have positive impacts overall – for GDP and even per capita GDP – there are adverse distributional consequences, and that low-paid workers in particular would benefit from much tighter immigration controls (Goodhart 2017). However, if the indirect impacts on productivity and the public finances are as suggested by these papers, then any direct positive impacts on wages would be more than outweighed by the resulting necessity to increase taxes or to reduce spending on public services, at all points of the wage and income distribution.
You'd have thought this would put the disagreement over the economics to bed.
If there's one thing that the debate around covid has framed neatly (at least in my head) it's that economics, and the economy, is something that largely happens to other people.
So rather than a debate about what measures give the best overall outcome, you are either in favour of wrecking the economy, or killing lots of people. Nevermind the fact that killing lots of people wrecks the economy and vice versa.
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Shortages? Pfft wait until we actually start checking good coming into the country properly.
'Full customs controls will be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022
Full customs declarations and controls are due to be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022. This means that the option to delay your customs declarations for up to 175 days, without an authorisation from HMRC, is coming to an end on 31 December. If you’re already making full import declarations, or if you’ve started submitting supplementary declarations, you’re well prepared.'
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You can clearly see both the fan and the sh*t. It's the inevitability that is so depressing.skyblueamateur said:Shortages? Pfft wait until we actually start checking good coming into the country properly.
'Full customs controls will be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022
Full customs declarations and controls are due to be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022. This means that the option to delay your customs declarations for up to 175 days, without an authorisation from HMRC, is coming to an end on 31 December. If you’re already making full import declarations, or if you’ve started submitting supplementary declarations, you’re well prepared.'1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Is your impression that a lot of businesses are not making full declarations yet?skyblueamateur said:Shortages? Pfft wait until we actually start checking good coming into the country properly.
'Full customs controls will be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022
Full customs declarations and controls are due to be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022. This means that the option to delay your customs declarations for up to 175 days, without an authorisation from HMRC, is coming to an end on 31 December. If you’re already making full import declarations, or if you’ve started submitting supplementary declarations, you’re well prepared.'- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I'm out of the loop now but it was a concern way back in April that HMRC were going to have a huge amount of non-compliance to sift through just because people werent even aware that they had to be making declarations.
Computer says Yes(...but) = that's all ok thenWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Steve-o would be the man to answer that I think as he's always been knowledgeable on this side.pangolin said:
Is your impression that a lot of businesses are not making full declarations yet?skyblueamateur said:Shortages? Pfft wait until we actually start checking good coming into the country properly.
'Full customs controls will be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022
Full customs declarations and controls are due to be introduced as planned on 1 January 2022. This means that the option to delay your customs declarations for up to 175 days, without an authorisation from HMRC, is coming to an end on 31 December. If you’re already making full import declarations, or if you’ve started submitting supplementary declarations, you’re well prepared.'
We export to the EU a lot more then we import from there so have been having to do full customs declarations since January.0 -
I think it is widely accepted that high skilled immigration improves productivity. The question is around low skilled immigration.rick_chasey said:https://voxeu.org/article/new-evidence-economics-immigration-uk
New evidence on the economics of immigration to the UK
The striking element of all of these results – found by different papers using different methodologies and different data – is not just that immigration appears to have a positive impact on productivity growth, but that this impact is large; indeed, as the MAC say, arguably “implausibly large”, reflecting perhaps that some of the estimated impact may incorporate region- or sector-specific trends (despite the instrumental variable approach used by all the papers). Nevertheless, it’s worth noting that the estimates are broadly consistent with the most recent cross-country evidence (Jaumotte et al. 2016). In previous work, Giuseppe Forte and I found that post-Brexit reductions in immigration would likely have large negative impacts on UK productivity and GDP per capita (Forte and Portes 2016); that conclusion is strongly reinforced by this new evidence.Taken together with the evidence on productivity, this has important implications for the political economy of immigration. It is often argued that the evidence from studies of the direct impact of immigration on wages suggests that while immigration may have positive impacts overall – for GDP and even per capita GDP – there are adverse distributional consequences, and that low-paid workers in particular would benefit from much tighter immigration controls (Goodhart 2017). However, if the indirect impacts on productivity and the public finances are as suggested by these papers, then any direct positive impacts on wages would be more than outweighed by the resulting necessity to increase taxes or to reduce spending on public services, at all points of the wage and income distribution.
You'd have thought this would put the disagreement over the economics to bed.0 -
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Well, to selectively quoteTaken together with the evidence on productivity, this has important implications for the political economy of immigration. It is often argued that the evidence from studies of the direct impact of immigration on wages suggests that while immigration may have positive impacts overall – for GDP and even per capita GDP – there are adverse distributional consequences, and that low-paid workers in particular would benefit from much tighter immigration controls (Goodhart 2017).0
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So he has. I thought I would be selective though to misrepresent it.ddraver said:Rick has literally quoted that bit...
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Just watching a Youtube vid and the ad at the start featured Nigel Farage talking about the scourge that is inflation and how it is going to impact savings. No hint of irony at all.0
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Maybe motorists are drunk on the supply of petrol and cutting off them off will be a good thing
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
All the fuel stations around Gatwick seem fine to be honest. Surprised me reading comments on here about the southeast.0
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I was able to buy fuel for the first time today in the normal way since the beginning of it, no queues and a relatively quiet fully stocked forecourt.
Also I'm going to see a mate at a motorsport race weekend tomorrow where there are several different classes and hundreds of competitors and I asked him if there were any absences at testing today due to fuel issues, he wasn't aware of anyone missing out so shortages for some seem odd in that context.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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I wouldn't usually use the Sun as link, but why hasn't this been reported as part of the evidence that Brexit shortages are leading to mayhem in the cycling community?
https://www.the-sun.com/sport/3816703/british-cyclist-alexandar-richardson-machete-attack/
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I was able to get diesel in Pickering today. However there were no Werthers originals available, the grandson and I were distraught.1
