BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I find that a strange opinion to ascribe to others.TheBigBean said:
Still it does show the UK's influence on the world. Who would have thought how much Brexit would disrupt the global supply chanin.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.0 -
BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Do the issues the wsj is talking about mean that pigs can't get slaughtered in the UK?TheBigBean said:
Here is an article that details some of the issues going on around the world. It's not very exciting, but the point is that there are major issues everywhere. The relative winners won't be known for a while. Countries that are less exposed to gas prices may do better.elbowloh said:
Do you honestly think we're doing well? In relation to other countries?TheBigBean said:
Still it does show the UK's influence on the world. Who would have thought how much Brexit would disrupt the global supply chanin.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-issues-car-chip-shortage-covid-manufacturing-global-economy-11633713877
I haven't got a sub, so can't read to find out.0 -
This was my expectation and was reinforced when they borrowed £60bn in the pre-Covid budget to fill a Brexit sized hole in the economy. I was convinced that they would throw the kitchen sink at avoiding bad optics and in fairness they avoid lorries queueing at Dover.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.
What baffles me is why I thought these clowns could efficiently avoid these series of “minor” disruptions.
In terms of psychology it is fascinating how people refuse to attribute any blame to Brexit and thus concede that they are a thicko.0 -
kingstongraham said:
Do the issues the wsj is talking about mean that pigs can't get slaughtered in the UK?TheBigBean said:
Here is an article that details some of the issues going on around the world. It's not very exciting, but the point is that there are major issues everywhere. The relative winners won't be known for a while. Countries that are less exposed to gas prices may do better.elbowloh said:
Do you honestly think we're doing well? In relation to other countries?TheBigBean said:
Still it does show the UK's influence on the world. Who would have thought how much Brexit would disrupt the global supply chanin.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-issues-car-chip-shortage-covid-manufacturing-global-economy-11633713877
I haven't got a sub, so can't read to find out.
No. The problem is that the west is coming out of a pandemic and looking to ramp up production while the rest of world is still in various phases of lock down. So, for example, every ship going to China needs to quarantine for a week on arrival.
It's a fairly random list of problems around the world from Germany being unable to manufacture cars to Indonesia not being able to buy trucks to provide the minerals.
You can just click stop while it's loading if you want to read it.0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Exactly my point. It's a short term issue - with various causes many of which were not Brexit related.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
Petrol is a short term problem that will be replaced by bins being short term problem, that will be joined by...
Could I check whether shooting pigs and burying them in landfill is short term?0 -
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Could you cut and paste the bit that lists the countries who could not freely buy petrol for two weeksTheBigBean said:kingstongraham said:
Do the issues the wsj is talking about mean that pigs can't get slaughtered in the UK?TheBigBean said:
Here is an article that details some of the issues going on around the world. It's not very exciting, but the point is that there are major issues everywhere. The relative winners won't be known for a while. Countries that are less exposed to gas prices may do better.elbowloh said:
Do you honestly think we're doing well? In relation to other countries?TheBigBean said:
Still it does show the UK's influence on the world. Who would have thought how much Brexit would disrupt the global supply chanin.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-issues-car-chip-shortage-covid-manufacturing-global-economy-11633713877
I haven't got a sub, so can't read to find out.
No. The problem is that the west is coming out of a pandemic and looking to ramp up production while the rest of world is still in various phases of lock down. So, for example, every ship going to China needs to quarantine for a week on arrival.
It's a fairly random list of problems around the world from Germany being unable to manufacture cars to Indonesia not being able to buy trucks to provide the minerals.
You can just click stop while it's loading if you want to read it.0 -
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
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I'm still chalking that up as a self inflicted wound like toilet paper supplies. What's been demonstrated over the last couple of years is that the market can't cope with irrational panic buying of anything.surrey_commuter said:Hi
Could you cut and paste the bit that lists the countries who could not freely buy petrol for two weeksTheBigBean said:kingstongraham said:
Do the issues the wsj is talking about mean that pigs can't get slaughtered in the UK?TheBigBean said:
Here is an article that details some of the issues going on around the world. It's not very exciting, but the point is that there are major issues everywhere. The relative winners won't be known for a while. Countries that are less exposed to gas prices may do better.elbowloh said:
Do you honestly think we're doing well? In relation to other countries?TheBigBean said:
Still it does show the UK's influence on the world. Who would have thought how much Brexit would disrupt the global supply chanin.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-issues-car-chip-shortage-covid-manufacturing-global-economy-11633713877
I haven't got a sub, so can't read to find out.
No. The problem is that the west is coming out of a pandemic and looking to ramp up production while the rest of world is still in various phases of lock down. So, for example, every ship going to China needs to quarantine for a week on arrival.
It's a fairly random list of problems around the world from Germany being unable to manufacture cars to Indonesia not being able to buy trucks to provide the minerals.
You can just click stop while it's loading if you want to read it.
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No electricity in Lebanon as both their main power stations have no fuel. Still quite a few people driving around there seemingly from the TV pictures.0
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Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.0 -
I'd be surprised if that was true.elbowloh said:
Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.
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How the mighty have fallen. Are we really to be compared to the Lebanon?Dorset_Boy said:No electricity in Lebanon as both their main power stations have no fuel. Still quite a few people driving around there seemingly from the TV pictures.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Doesn't really address the issue of fuel coming from the North Sea/North Atlantic, processed in the UK and delivered by British drivers. Unless there is insufficient British drivers. 🤔TheBigBean said:kingstongraham said:
Do the issues the wsj is talking about mean that pigs can't get slaughtered in the UK?TheBigBean said:
Here is an article that details some of the issues going on around the world. It's not very exciting, but the point is that there are major issues everywhere. The relative winners won't be known for a while. Countries that are less exposed to gas prices may do better.elbowloh said:
Do you honestly think we're doing well? In relation to other countries?TheBigBean said:
Still it does show the UK's influence on the world. Who would have thought how much Brexit would disrupt the global supply chanin.kingstongraham said:
Not so far as I can tell yet. Don't know really though.TheBigBean said:
Is it a long term problem or not?kingstongraham said:Nothing says "wasn't a real problem" like it being notable that a petrol station has petrol.
I do find it funny that each sector that finds itself in trouble is "oh well, it's only X, that's not life threatening to do without" .
My expectation was that after brexit things would be alright, but a bit less good than they could have been. I didn't really expect it to have been ballsed up to this extent.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supply-chain-issues-car-chip-shortage-covid-manufacturing-global-economy-11633713877
I haven't got a sub, so can't read to find out.
No. The problem is that the west is coming out of a pandemic and looking to ramp up production while the rest of world is still in various phases of lock down. So, for example, every ship going to China needs to quarantine for a week on arrival.
It's a fairly random list of problems around the world from Germany being unable to manufacture cars to Indonesia not being able to buy trucks to provide the minerals.
You can just click stop while it's loading if you want to read it.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
As I suspected, not true. Some additional inefficiency which can small variances either way.TheBigBean said:
I'd be surprised if that was true.elbowloh said:
Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.
https://fullfact.org/online/gas-prices-brexit/
And yet, the idea that people blame Brexit for things not related to Brexit is a strawman?0 -
What I said was the idea people think fuel shortages are 100% Brexit related is a strawman.TheBigBean said:
As I suspected, not true. Some additional inefficiency which can small variances either way.TheBigBean said:
I'd be surprised if that was true.elbowloh said:
Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.
https://fullfact.org/online/gas-prices-brexit/
And yet, the idea that people blame Brexit for things not related to Brexit is a strawman?
What you've said is actually a new strawman.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Possibly if you are a farmer but not if you are a pig.surrey_commuter said:
Could I check whether shooting pigs and burying them in landfill is short term?2 -
I don't think I made reference to fuel shortages, so that's possibly your own strawman.pangolin said:
What I said was the idea people think fuel shortages are 100% Brexit related is a strawman.TheBigBean said:
As I suspected, not true. Some additional inefficiency which can small variances either way.TheBigBean said:
I'd be surprised if that was true.elbowloh said:
Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.
https://fullfact.org/online/gas-prices-brexit/
And yet, the idea that people blame Brexit for things not related to Brexit is a strawman?
What you've said is actually a new strawman.
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Brexit caused itDorset_Boy said:No electricity in Lebanon as both their main power stations have no fuel. Still quite a few people driving around there seemingly from the TV pictures.
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Also, pigs are not going into landfill, they're going into pet food and the like.0
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Who is comparing?pblakeney said:
How the mighty have fallen. Are we really to be compared to the Lebanon?Dorset_Boy said:No electricity in Lebanon as both their main power stations have no fuel. Still quite a few people driving around there seemingly from the TV pictures.
I wasn't.0 -
The issue as has been explained many times is that Brexit has reduced the Uk economy’s ability to adjust to supply chain issues.
Also, the specific issues around lorry drivers and abattoirs are relating to labour shortages that are mainly driven by Brexit, because their workforces previously made use of EU27 flexible labour.
That is why the Uk ended up panic buying petrol whereas Germany et al, who also have lorry driver problems, aren’t having a run on forecourts and aren’t chucking perfectly edible dead pigs onto the furnaces.0 -
My bad, assumed that was the discussion upthread. I thought you hated all the point scoring!TheBigBean said:
I don't think I made reference to fuel shortages, so that's possibly your own strawman.pangolin said:
What I said was the idea people think fuel shortages are 100% Brexit related is a strawman.TheBigBean said:
As I suspected, not true. Some additional inefficiency which can small variances either way.TheBigBean said:
I'd be surprised if that was true.elbowloh said:
Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.
https://fullfact.org/online/gas-prices-brexit/
And yet, the idea that people blame Brexit for things not related to Brexit is a strawman?
What you've said is actually a new strawman.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Why raise it then?Dorset_Boy said:
Who is comparing?pblakeney said:
How the mighty have fallen. Are we really to be compared to the Lebanon?Dorset_Boy said:No electricity in Lebanon as both their main power stations have no fuel. Still quite a few people driving around there seemingly from the TV pictures.
I wasn't.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Nobody at the Mail use Costco?
You cannot buy smaller amounts there, and those trollies are relatively empty.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
Why raise it then?Dorset_Boy said:
Who is comparing?pblakeney said:
How the mighty have fallen. Are we really to be compared to the Lebanon?Dorset_Boy said:No electricity in Lebanon as both their main power stations have no fuel. Still quite a few people driving around there seemingly from the TV pictures.
I wasn't.
Look over there...0 -
Only meat fit for human consumption is used in pet food. We actually learnt something from BSE. This is unlikely to be the case if pigs are culled on a farm by the knacker man. They will not be butchered (there being too few butchers) so will be unfit for consumption and far more likely to be rendered into byproducts.TheBigBean said:Also, pigs are not going into landfill, they're going into pet food and the like.
Few will be incinerated because that needs a lot of fuel and guess what?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The head of the National Grid said it on Friday.TheBigBean said:
I'd be surprised if that was true.elbowloh said:
Ok, everyone is having problems, but we've got those problems on top of having brexit problems.TheBigBean said:
I suppose it is a reminder just how many problems the world wide supply chain has, and that that probably dwarfs any Brexit issues.pangolin said:BB don't fall for Stevo's narrative that anyone here thinks this is 100% brexit's fault. I see today he's also tacked "and long lasting" onto the strawman he's arguing against.
For example, there's a gas shortage across the globe, but we're having to pay more for our than those in the EU because of Brexit.0 -
The pig farmers also have to pay to take the pigs away rather than selling them to abattoirrjsterry said:
Only meat fit for human consumption is used in pet food. We actually learnt something from BSE. This is unlikely to be the case if pigs are culled on a farm by the knacker man. They will not be butchered (there being too few butchers) so will be unfit for consumption and far more likely to be rendered into byproducts.TheBigBean said:Also, pigs are not going into landfill, they're going into pet food and the like.
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