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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    edited September 2021
    2p a litre makes about the difference on a tank of the price of a bag of crisps in a service station. If that is important enough then you probably drive enough so you'll likely already know which is cheapest on your route.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    I don't have favourites but I am aware of what pricing should be and avoid those over priced. I also avoid those who have gouged in the past and some with a history of supplying poor quality/contaminated fuel. That narrows things down a bit.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    2p a litre makes about the difference on a tank of the price of a bag of crisps in a service station. If that is important enough then you probably drive enough so you'll likely already know which is cheapest on your route.

    difference is more like 7p but yes it is more an attitude of mind

    An amazing number of people have store cards for a saving that is even more insignificant
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I'll pay a few pence more for convenience (e.g. there's a filling station literally across the road from my back garden that is probably 4 or 5p cheaper than the nearest supermarket which is 4 miles away). If I'm passing the supermarket and close to needing to refuel anyway I will go there. As PB says some people are also wary of quality and will only buy from the likes of BP or Shell. I'm surprised that there is enough of a market for the super unleaded and expensive diesel option for petrol stations to dedicate a pump to it though.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Does anyone have any good analysis on why the petrol stations aren't gouging the sh!t out of petrol buyers?

    Some are, but most have long term relationships with their customers.
    Do you think people are loyal to certain stations? I've never come across that myself.
    it amazes me that people are not more price sensitive when it comes to petrol
    How do you price compare without wasting time?
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Does anyone have any good analysis on why the petrol stations aren't gouging the sh!t out of petrol buyers?

    Some are, but most have long term relationships with their customers.
    Do you think people are loyal to certain stations? I've never come across that myself.
    it amazes me that people are not more price sensitive when it comes to petrol
    How do you price compare without wasting time?
    Notice what other places are charging when you drive past them.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Does anyone have any good analysis on why the petrol stations aren't gouging the sh!t out of petrol buyers?

    Some are, but most have long term relationships with their customers.
    Do you think people are loyal to certain stations? I've never come across that myself.
    it amazes me that people are not more price sensitive when it comes to petrol
    How do you price compare without wasting time?
    Garages tend to be very accommodating by advertising the price of their fuel which can be seen well in advance. I avoid those which don't as there's probably a reason.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    kingstongraham said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Does anyone have any good analysis on why the petrol stations aren't gouging the sh!t out of petrol buyers?

    Some are, but most have long term relationships with their customers.
    Do you think people are loyal to certain stations? I've never come across that myself.
    it amazes me that people are not more price sensitive when it comes to petrol
    How do you price compare without wasting time?
    Notice what other places are charging when you drive past them.
    Sure but the price fluctuates so much how could you know if it's the price of petrol changing or them charging more for the same stuff?

    I also have no memory for that kind of stuff.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    I generally pass a few garages while driving. If there is a common increase/decrease then it is fluctuation, if not it is gouging. If you go 400 miles+ between fills it is easy to know the pattern.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58729653

    Funny read...

    The situation is stabilising
    also...
    We're deploying the army as fast as we can
    also
    "We've seen large queues but I think the situation is stabilising. We're getting petrol into the forecourts and yesterday that was matched by the sales."

    (does that mean everything that was delivered got sold?)

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  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,928
    edited September 2021
    I vaguely pay attention to the price of fuel but almost always fill up at the local Tesco which I know is generally at the cheaper end of the range. With a 17 litre tank on the bike, I'm not too worried about shopping around to save a few pence.

    Agree about the motorway services though, I doubt I've ever driven far enough in a day that i would need to fill up again if I started off with a full tank so it doesn't require any planning beyond filling up at the start of the day. On the bike I avoid motorways as much as possible anyway.

    My Tesco clubcard on the other hand saved me about a fiver on a bottle of whiskey yesterday.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    edited September 2021
    pangolin said:

    ...

    (does that mean everything that was delivered got sold?)

    There are multiple stories of lines of vehicles actively following tankers so probably, yes. One garage went from full to empty in 2 hours.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    pblakeney said:

    pangolin said:

    ...

    (does that mean everything that was delivered got sold?)

    There are multiple stories of lines of vehicles actively following tankers so probably, yes. One garage went from full to empty in 2 hours.
    Hahahaha. Plenty of petrol to follow a tanker around though, idiots. I hope lots of them found out too late it was empty and heading back to a depot.
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    - Dolan Tuono
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    pangolin said:

    pblakeney said:

    pangolin said:

    ...

    (does that mean everything that was delivered got sold?)

    There are multiple stories of lines of vehicles actively following tankers so probably, yes. One garage went from full to empty in 2 hours.
    Hahahaha. Plenty of petrol to follow a tanker around though, idiots. I hope lots of them found out too late it was empty and heading back to a depot.
    The trouble with common sense is that it is not very common. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    In other stories, it looks like we won't be able to export food to the EU soon.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58711230
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,567
    1p/ litre difference is only 60-70 p on a tank so many won't be sensitive to that sort of a difference, but may be a 3p/litre or more.

    I think people tend to get to know their cheapest local station and then odd stations they may pass that are also cheap.
    In the three local towns there are only 2 stations in each. Two Tescos & an Esso in two of the towns, and a Shell and something else in the other.
    I think that's fairly typical in smaller market towns, so not much competition really.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,567
    pangolin said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Does anyone have any good analysis on why the petrol stations aren't gouging the sh!t out of petrol buyers?

    Some are, but most have long term relationships with their customers.
    Do you think people are loyal to certain stations? I've never come across that myself.
    it amazes me that people are not more price sensitive when it comes to petrol
    Is there an easy way for people to do this? Often (usually) getting petrol is on the way somewhere else, by the time you're there you might be slightly annoyed it's 1 or 2p more expensive than last time but you will probably still get petrol.

    If say googlemaps had current prices included on the map of stations, that would drive (haha) real change in behavior I imagine.

    On the other hand there are stations around town that you know will be more expensive than others, yet they seem to have regular custom, which is odd.
    Sometimes the more expensive ones are used by those with fuel cards who will pay a different rate to the advertised cost.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    pblakeney said:

    In other stories, it looks like we won't be able to export food to the EU soon.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58711230

    NGL, lettuce in the US can stay fresh in your fridge for well over a week
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,608
    I found lettuce state fresher in the UK than Cali?

    Think it might be partly down to model of fridge too.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Jezyboy said:

    I found lettuce state fresher in the UK than Cali?

    Think it might be partly down to model of fridge too.

    Who knows. I lived in NYC. Had the tinest of fridges. Bought some romaine lettuce as I like a vingary salad with most things. Was just as crispy 2 weeks in.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2021
    It is worth pointing out that supply chain problems re corona were a thing in 2020, but the difference in the UK in 2021 is Brexit.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Dorset_Boy said:

    1p/ litre difference is only 60-70 p on a tank so many won't be sensitive to that sort of a difference, but may be a 3p/litre or more.

    I think people tend to get to know their cheapest local station and then odd stations they may pass that are also cheap.
    In the three local towns there are only 2 stations in each. Two Tescos & an Esso in two of the towns, and a Shell and something else in the other.
    I think that's fairly typical in smaller market towns, so not much competition really.

    Yeah pretty much that. There was one petrol station on a dual carriageway I used to pass semi-regularly where they had a cheap fuel day one day a week where it was about 5p a litre cheaper than normal. I have no idea why they did this.
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,928
    There is one near Epsom Downs racecourse that used to do the same. Although the sign never specified what day it is or how much cheaper it was. I was never even sure if the current price was the cheap or the expensive one.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,574
    Pross said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    1p/ litre difference is only 60-70 p on a tank so many won't be sensitive to that sort of a difference, but may be a 3p/litre or more.

    I think people tend to get to know their cheapest local station and then odd stations they may pass that are also cheap.
    In the three local towns there are only 2 stations in each. Two Tescos & an Esso in two of the towns, and a Shell and something else in the other.
    I think that's fairly typical in smaller market towns, so not much competition really.

    Yeah pretty much that. There was one petrol station on a dual carriageway I used to pass semi-regularly where they had a cheap fuel day one day a week where it was about 5p a litre cheaper than normal. I have no idea why they did this.
    Is that just discounting to clear out the tanks for the next delivery?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry said:

    Pross said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    1p/ litre difference is only 60-70 p on a tank so many won't be sensitive to that sort of a difference, but may be a 3p/litre or more.

    I think people tend to get to know their cheapest local station and then odd stations they may pass that are also cheap.
    In the three local towns there are only 2 stations in each. Two Tescos & an Esso in two of the towns, and a Shell and something else in the other.
    I think that's fairly typical in smaller market towns, so not much competition really.

    Yeah pretty much that. There was one petrol station on a dual carriageway I used to pass semi-regularly where they had a cheap fuel day one day a week where it was about 5p a litre cheaper than normal. I have no idea why they did this.
    Is that just discounting to clear out the tanks for the next delivery?
    Not sure, they did it every week so you would think eventually they would have just ordered a bit less each week if that was the case.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2021




    International staff, mostly from the European Union, make up about a fifth of the 1.1 million people working in U.K. financial services. But Brexit is making it harder and more expensive to hire foreign staff, according to a report by TheCityUK, a lobby group, the City of London Corporation, and EY, the consultancy firm.


    “The challenge is that EU nationals are now in the immigration system,” said Seema Farazi, global immigration partner at EY and a co-author of the report. “The full impact has not been felt because the volumes have been muted by the pandemic.”

    The changes also come with a soaring cost. Sponsoring employers would need to pay just over 21,000 pounds ($28,228) to transfer a worker, their partner and two children into the U.K. for five years under the Tier 2 visa process, according to earlier estimates by the City of London Corporation and EY.

    The report also warned of problems with business travel. One anonymous participant in the report said they had difficulties organizing visas for staff in fintech -- where the U.K. workforce is 42% international -- to take part in accelerator labs.

    “Could there be a crunch point?” said Celic. “Of course there could. This is absolutely fundamental to our long-term success.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,387
    What's this? Even the Telegraph's Allister Heath is admitting that things aren't going swimmingly with Project Brexit and how the Government is managing it...


    https://www.facebook.com/unanglaisendiois
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    This guy? From just before the vote: "I am more certain than ever, for example, that the UK would temporarily join the European Economic Area after quitting the EU, before working out a better, fully tailored British model."
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    edited September 2021
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Journalist on Times Radio with Matt Chorley complaining that no one mentioned haulage issues such as cabotage during the Brexit referendum campaign or during the negotiations

    That my friends is how we got here

    They did mention it during the negotiations. The EU didn't like it, because it was considered too much of a perk for a non-member even though it was in the interests of their drivers. The UK reciprocated the EU's position.

    I mentioned this before.
    The EU didn't offer it because they didn't need to.



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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Journalist on Times Radio with Matt Chorley complaining that no one mentioned haulage issues such as cabotage during the Brexit referendum campaign or during the negotiations

    That my friends is how we got here

    They did mention it during the negotiations. The EU didn't like it, because it was considered too much of a perk for a non-member even though it was in the interests of their drivers. The UK reciprocated the EU's position.

    I mentioned this before.
    The EU didn't offer it because they didn't need to.



    I imagine giving cabotage to EU truckers whilst receiving nothing in return would be a deal breaker for a lot of voters. Particularly truckers who then would not see any of the local benefits of Brexit in mainly wage increases and better conditions due to a shortage of labour. As the German guy running for chancellor the other day said. Sort out your pay and working conditions and you won't have a shortage. Brexit has the potential to do for working people what no labour government has ever achieved on securing a living wage. Those businesses that can't should go under.

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