BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
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john80 said:
Went to a sailing event on Wednesday with 100 miles gone out the tank and had to fill up at Bristol and carried on to Torquay. Drove from their back on Sunday again To Cumbria with 100 miles out the tank and filled up in Gloucester. I had to modify my behaviour as normally I would have got down to last 50 miles between fill ups.
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😆 Whatever you need to tell yourself.Stevo_666 said:
It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
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Hmmjohn80 said:
Buy their fuel as they normally would. I have not filled up my van on my return from my trip as I have at least a week or twos fuel to go at.kingstongraham said:
What is the customer of a petrol station supposed to do about it?john80 said:
Why should the government fix what is a private industry problem. Haulage outside big business with relatively fixed requirements is mainly sub contracted. They want to drive wages and costs down and the customer wants to drive cost down. There is no point in moaning about either why you have no staff as an employer or as a customer complaining the service is poor due to no staff when you have created the industry in which this is the logical outcome of your decisions. Maybe some customers need to lose money and some haulage companies need to go bust as they can't meet there contracted demands for the industry to take notice.rjsterry said:
Let's suppose for the sake of argument that this laughable idea were true. That the government could get played so effectively for such minimal effort would reflect extremely poorly on the government. I mean if it's that easy, I might see what I can bounce them into doing myself.Stevo_666 said:
I'm just saying that it is a possibility that needs investigating. Of course, nobody with an axe to grind over Brexit would ever try a stunt like that, would they....?rjsterry said:
Who could possibly have predicted that a government minister telling people not to panic buy would lead to panic buying? It's sooo difficult to predict these things.Stevo_666 said:
The bigger issue is clearly idiots panic buying. Not helped by idiots spreading scare stories around on the Internet.kingstongraham said:
I'd say there isn't panic buying now, just long queues and shortages.surrey_commuter said:
I could chose another analogy where pre-planning your life saved you inconvenience whilst those unwilling to think ahead accused you of panicking but I think we both know it would be pointlesskingstongraham said:
If you normally buy it on Monday, and buying it on Sunday for some obscure reason meant that people wanting to travel later on Sunday couldn't, then yes.surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
I don't think you get away with it being not a panic buy just because you started the ball rolling.
But obviously, individually not irrational.
But if you think there is panic buying, then buying early because you think there will be a shortage and long queues is basically the origin story.
There is also a question mark about whether those with an agenda were trying to cause a problem:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/26/haulage-body-anti-brexit-drive-behind-fuel-crisis-leak-claim/
As for the RHA causing it, I didn't have you down as a conspiracy theorist.
Would be ironic if the main cause was Eurobollox
Although of course its already been established that there a number of factors, so I am intrigued as to why its in the Brexit thread as if that is the only cause.
https://thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
IDS was saying it was a simple matter of a few thousand pounds per driver vacancy to resolve back when he was minister at DWP, so why didn't he.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Question is, as haulage underpins so many things: what's next? I mean it's obvious that offering a bunch of three month visas and tweaking the entry requirements is not going to fill a gap decades in the making.rjsterry said:
😆 Whatever you need to tell yourself.Stevo_666 said:
It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
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Says the Southernerrjsterry said:
😆 Whatever you need to tell yourself.Stevo_666 said:
It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
Now go enjoy your half of shandy. "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Reckon half the petrol stations in this Midlands town are out.
It's just timeless bull from a certain poster.0 -
Saw a long line of cars slip streaming a pair of petrol tankers this morning. Reminded me a bit of Mad Max.0
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On Saturday I had about 300 miles in my tank and about 360 to get home on Sunday. So what I did was get in the car and start driving home On the Sunday and surprise surprise petrol stations had fuel and there was no drama. I put in 40 litres to fill it about halfway home and will fill it when it has 50 miles left probably some time next week.Pross said:
So what would you have done if, say, you knew you were going to do 400 miles in the coming week and on Saturday had 200 miles in your tank with places running out of stock? Would you have gone out and topped up early or left it hoping supplies would come in and queues would have died out?john80 said:
Buy their fuel as they normally would. I have not filled up my van on my return from my trip as I have at least a week or twos fuel to go at.kingstongraham said:
What is the customer of a petrol station supposed to do about it?john80 said:
Why should the government fix what is a private industry problem. Haulage outside big business with relatively fixed requirements is mainly sub contracted. They want to drive wages and costs down and the customer wants to drive cost down. There is no point in moaning about either why you have no staff as an employer or as a customer complaining the service is poor due to no staff when you have created the industry in which this is the logical outcome of your decisions. Maybe some customers need to lose money and some haulage companies need to go bust as they can't meet there contracted demands for the industry to take notice.rjsterry said:
Let's suppose for the sake of argument that this laughable idea were true. That the government could get played so effectively for such minimal effort would reflect extremely poorly on the government. I mean if it's that easy, I might see what I can bounce them into doing myself.Stevo_666 said:
I'm just saying that it is a possibility that needs investigating. Of course, nobody with an axe to grind over Brexit would ever try a stunt like that, would they....?rjsterry said:
Who could possibly have predicted that a government minister telling people not to panic buy would lead to panic buying? It's sooo difficult to predict these things.Stevo_666 said:
The bigger issue is clearly idiots panic buying. Not helped by idiots spreading scare stories around on the Internet.kingstongraham said:
I'd say there isn't panic buying now, just long queues and shortages.surrey_commuter said:
I could chose another analogy where pre-planning your life saved you inconvenience whilst those unwilling to think ahead accused you of panicking but I think we both know it would be pointlesskingstongraham said:
If you normally buy it on Monday, and buying it on Sunday for some obscure reason meant that people wanting to travel later on Sunday couldn't, then yes.surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
I don't think you get away with it being not a panic buy just because you started the ball rolling.
But obviously, individually not irrational.
But if you think there is panic buying, then buying early because you think there will be a shortage and long queues is basically the origin story.
There is also a question mark about whether those with an agenda were trying to cause a problem:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/26/haulage-body-anti-brexit-drive-behind-fuel-crisis-leak-claim/
As for the RHA causing it, I didn't have you down as a conspiracy theorist.
Would be ironic if the main cause was Eurobollox
Although of course its already been established that there a number of factors, so I am intrigued as to why its in the Brexit thread as if that is the only cause.
https://thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
IDS was saying it was a simple matter of a few thousand pounds per driver vacancy to resolve back when he was minister at DWP, so why didn't he.
There's a spectrum between those who were running on empty or who had a big trip ahead of them and those who only use £10 a week.0 -
Which doesn't answer the question of what you would have done knowing you had a lot of driving this week and you were seeing local petrol stations running out of fuel. You basically had no choice but to drive and hope on Sunday.john80 said:
On Saturday I had about 300 miles in my tank and about 360 to get home on Sunday. So what I did was get in the car and start driving home On the Sunday and surprise surprise petrol stations had fuel and there was no drama. I put in 40 litres to fill it about halfway home and will fill it when it has 50 miles left probably some time next week.Pross said:
So what would you have done if, say, you knew you were going to do 400 miles in the coming week and on Saturday had 200 miles in your tank with places running out of stock? Would you have gone out and topped up early or left it hoping supplies would come in and queues would have died out?john80 said:
Buy their fuel as they normally would. I have not filled up my van on my return from my trip as I have at least a week or twos fuel to go at.kingstongraham said:
What is the customer of a petrol station supposed to do about it?john80 said:
Why should the government fix what is a private industry problem. Haulage outside big business with relatively fixed requirements is mainly sub contracted. They want to drive wages and costs down and the customer wants to drive cost down. There is no point in moaning about either why you have no staff as an employer or as a customer complaining the service is poor due to no staff when you have created the industry in which this is the logical outcome of your decisions. Maybe some customers need to lose money and some haulage companies need to go bust as they can't meet there contracted demands for the industry to take notice.rjsterry said:
Let's suppose for the sake of argument that this laughable idea were true. That the government could get played so effectively for such minimal effort would reflect extremely poorly on the government. I mean if it's that easy, I might see what I can bounce them into doing myself.Stevo_666 said:
I'm just saying that it is a possibility that needs investigating. Of course, nobody with an axe to grind over Brexit would ever try a stunt like that, would they....?rjsterry said:
Who could possibly have predicted that a government minister telling people not to panic buy would lead to panic buying? It's sooo difficult to predict these things.Stevo_666 said:
The bigger issue is clearly idiots panic buying. Not helped by idiots spreading scare stories around on the Internet.kingstongraham said:
I'd say there isn't panic buying now, just long queues and shortages.surrey_commuter said:
I could chose another analogy where pre-planning your life saved you inconvenience whilst those unwilling to think ahead accused you of panicking but I think we both know it would be pointlesskingstongraham said:
If you normally buy it on Monday, and buying it on Sunday for some obscure reason meant that people wanting to travel later on Sunday couldn't, then yes.surrey_commuter said:
No need to panic on Thursday.pblakeney said:
Conclusion. People should have panicked more on Thursday?surrey_commuter said:
Your last sentence perfectly sums it up.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes I put £75 in at 6am this morning - I needed to get somewhere by car today and saw no point in putting £30 in and possibly having to get up at 5am and try multiple petrol stations again on Tuesday or Wednesday if I could put enough in to last me at least til next weekend.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
Drove out to Leith Hill from Kingston. Every petrol station we passed had massive queues except one that had a sign saying "no unleaded".pblakeney said:Strange thing today out on the bike. I passed loads of garages. No queues and no signs saying sold out. Muppets must feel silly. I hope so.
It was causing traffic jams at the hook junction with the a3 and at the leatherhead roundabout near Box Hill. It's crazy out there.
I bet you if you quizzed most of those drivers, each one would deny they are panic buying, but would come up with some reason why they had to queue to fill their tank to the top today.
It's just a collective action problem really - individually rational actions are producing a collectively sub optimal outcome.
The tales of woe from people unable to make journeys important to to them just baffles me that that did not plan ahead on Thursday.
If I needed a rail ticket on a Monday and I bought it on Sunday to avoid the inevitable long queues would that be a panic buy?
I don't think you get away with it being not a panic buy just because you started the ball rolling.
But obviously, individually not irrational.
But if you think there is panic buying, then buying early because you think there will be a shortage and long queues is basically the origin story.
There is also a question mark about whether those with an agenda were trying to cause a problem:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/26/haulage-body-anti-brexit-drive-behind-fuel-crisis-leak-claim/
As for the RHA causing it, I didn't have you down as a conspiracy theorist.
Would be ironic if the main cause was Eurobollox
Although of course its already been established that there a number of factors, so I am intrigued as to why its in the Brexit thread as if that is the only cause.
https://thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
IDS was saying it was a simple matter of a few thousand pounds per driver vacancy to resolve back when he was minister at DWP, so why didn't he.
There's a spectrum between those who were running on empty or who had a big trip ahead of them and those who only use £10 a week.0 -
Anyway, things seem to be settling down now everyone has topped up so hopefully that's an end to it for now at least. Hopefully the next time there's concerns it won't be leaked.0
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rjsterry said:
Question is, as haulage underpins so many things: what's next? I mean it's obvious that offering a bunch of three month visas and tweaking the entry requirements is not going to fill a gap decades in the making.rjsterry said:
😆 Whatever you need to tell yourself.Stevo_666 said:
It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
rjsterry said:
Question is, as haulage underpins so many things: what's next? I mean it's obvious that offering a bunch of three month visas and tweaking the entry requirements is not going to fill a gap decades in the making.rjsterry said:
😆 Whatever you need to tell yourself.Stevo_666 said:
It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
I am going to guess bins going uncollectedrjsterry said:
Question is, as haulage underpins so many things: what's next? I mean it's obvious that offering a bunch of three month visas and tweaking the entry requirements is not going to fill a gap decades in the making.rjsterry said:
😆 Whatever you need to tell yourself.Stevo_666 said:
It's about attitude not numbers of people. Like the panic buying in the early days of the pandemic. Middle class panic buyers saying 'I'm not panic buying but I'll get some extra of this and that - just in case...'. Seem to recall it was skewed towards the South and some on here from the home counties openly admitted to stockpiling.rjsterry said:
Or maybe just that there are a lot more people down south.Stevo_666 said:
I said that as well tbf. It was just unfortunate timing that that I had to do a return trip to Liverpool yesterday but in the end it was no big deal. I think part of pant wetting is a southern thing - at the services on the A14 the queue was long (and I only needed to take a leak, didn't need petrol at the time), whereas at the services near Derby I went straight in and got to the pumps in a minute flat.rick_chasey said:
for posterityrick_chasey said:Presumably if the supply is there eventually everyone will have full tanks and it’ll calm down.
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The news is, shall we say, confusing.
3 hours ago the latest - nothing to worry about.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58713770
1 hour ago the latest - the army is on standby.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Anyone remember the heady days of "strong and stable"?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Sounds about par for the course really. By time this Government makes the obvious moves the issue in question has usually resolved itself or people have just got on with sorting things out themselves.pblakeney said:The news is, shall we say, confusing.
3 hours ago the latest - nothing to worry about.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58713770
1 hour ago the latest - the army is on standby.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
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I don’t think it would have happened without the Govt saying “don’t panic”tailwindhome said:
They must have known the outcome so why would they say it?
And each time they tell people not to panic and it proves to be the worse possible advice the worse it will be next time.1 -
So what would you do?surrey_commuter said:
I don’t think it would have happened without the Govt saying “don’t panic”tailwindhome said:
They must have known the outcome so why would they say it?
And each time they tell people not to panic and it proves to be the worse possible advice the worse it will be next time.
By the time you get to the “don’t panic” option you’re too late.
You prevent a run on something much further up the road than at the point people are running on it.
It’s a failure of the govt to spot that the lorry shortage and the general additional stresses on supply chains would cause a run on something at some point.0 -
Anyone thinking the driver shortage issue will stop at fuel?
What will be the next crisis?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Can you tell me if he has a number for how much fuel is bought a week and what the tanker delivery capacity is per week?rick_chasey said:0 -
Everywhere out round these parts of the Midlands as well so definitely not just a southern thing.0
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Someone will be around to inform you that the Midlands is the south in a minute (especially if it backs up their claim it is a southern problem).skyblueamateur said:Everywhere out round these parts of the Midlands as well so definitely not just a southern thing.
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I'm currently in the North. And there are shortages. So... *shrug*, I guess.Ben
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Ironically in the "Deep South" it's not been too crazy. Queues, but not seen anything shut since the weekendPross said:
Someone will be around to inform you that the Midlands is the south in a minute (especially if it backs up their claim it is a southern problem).skyblueamateur said:Everywhere out round these parts of the Midlands as well so definitely not just a southern thing.
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Big queues in London this morning - the co-op on the A3 was backed right back to the Roehampton Lane traffic lights (about a kilometer I guess) and the Shell garage I pass in Hammersmith was being cordoned off by the police and still had 20 people queued up to get in.
I guess at least that means that there is petrol available as long as you have an hour to spare to queue up for it.0 -
Look at the timestamp on this webcam on the A3 where there is a petrol station.
Then clear at 5
And I guess they got another delivery, so at 6.
It seems like it might be a problem.
https://www.windy.com/-Webcams/United-Kingdom/England/London/Beverley-Way/Coombe-Lane-Flyover/webcams/1508414067?51.427,-13.447,50 -
Is there a chance that they are all going down to the south circular to get to Bromley?kingstongraham said:Look at the timestamp on this webcam on the A3 where there is a petrol station.
Then clear at 5
And I guess they got another delivery, so at 6.
It seems like it might be a problem.
https://www.windy.com/-Webcams/United-Kingdom/England/London/Beverley-Way/Coombe-Lane-Flyover/webcams/1508414067?51.427,-13.447,5
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