BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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That's an optimistic interpretation...TheBigBean said:
The protocol is designed to evolve.ddraver said:It's not his fault nobody mentioned it...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Thanks SBA. The majority of our flows in relation to the UK are imports from NL (most kit is manufactured in the Far East, enters the Europe Middle East & Africa 'EMEA' region via NL and then gets distributed around the region from there). We also have some manufacturing here in the UK that goes in the opposite direction - to NL and from there gets shipped around EMEA.skyblueamateur said:Glad things are going well Stevo. Is this for imports? Hopefully that will start feeding through to exports. We're still having a censored time of things and not much moving and very slowly. Had paperwork for a pallet to Ireland stuck with the brokers since Thursday. Hoping to get things released with a view to delivering the pallet early next week.
As with all things this will get quicker but I definitely took for granted sticking a delivery label on a box and it turning up in Ireland or Belgium 48 hours later.
We had some issues with brokers running out of capacity or making errors, but very little opportunity to switch as most other carriers were maxed out. That has now been rectified by the carrier in question. The other big problem was the log jam in the Dutch ports, partly down to issues with the Port Base system and partly down to we are told over zealous customs inspectors (confiscating ham sandwiches was symptomatic of the approach). There is still some delay there but maybe they have been told to be more pragmatic and stop acting like ****holes?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.1 -
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
It is impossible if you want to operate at the high margin fresh (or live) end of the market. These clowns voted to remove themselves from that so they should pivot their businesses to the low margin frozen market where they can operate globally.john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
Won’t be long before the hill farmers experience the same problem with “fresh” exports0 -
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.1 -
If the problem is selling in this country surely it is cheaper to change the regulations so you can sell mucky shellfish?john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
From that article "The only way we can get them out of the country is if we purify them, but then the shelf life goes down a lot."john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-witness-archive/philip-hammond/
Some amazing insight in this if you want to read it. Philip Hammond being very open about May and Brexit.
Seems quite clear to me that no-one in the cabinet was at all consulted about the strategy and direction the gov't took towards brexit.
For all this talk of von der Leyden going rogue, May did pretty much exactly the same thing - didn't even consult the chancellor of all people!0 -
That's the purpose of the joint committee.ddraver said:
That's an optimistic interpretation...TheBigBean said:
The protocol is designed to evolve.ddraver said:It's not his fault nobody mentioned it...
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So are you taking comfort from the fact that the UK is a bit like the EU in some ways?rick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-witness-archive/philip-hammond/
Some amazing insight in this if you want to read it. Philip Hammond being very open about May and Brexit.
Seems quite clear to me that no-one in the cabinet was at all consulted about the strategy and direction the gov't took towards brexit.
For all this talk of von der Leyden going rogue, May did pretty much exactly the same thing - didn't even consult the chancellor of all people!"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe a product idea is a trailer that does the depuration during transport. By the time you get to Spain your product is treated and ready for market. I am sure the EU would block this as they would make you wait the full 48 hours on UK soil. Overnight ferry to Spain might sort this out.kingstongraham said:
From that article "The only way we can get them out of the country is if we purify them, but then the shelf life goes down a lot."john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
Gotta love all the brexiteers coming up with creative ways to hop better now that we've hacked one leg off
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Harping on about how we deserve what we got is certainly going to assist us going forwards.bompington said:Gotta love all the brexiteers coming up with creative ways to hop better now that we've hacked one leg off
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Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'm no expert, but it sounds like it might be prohibitively expensive to have the pumps, water circulation etc on each truckload. Maybe suggest it to them, see what they say.john80 said:
Maybe a product idea is a trailer that does the depuration during transport. By the time you get to Spain your product is treated and ready for market. I am sure the EU would block this as they would make you wait the full 48 hours on UK soil. Overnight ferry to Spain might sort this out.kingstongraham said:
From that article "The only way we can get them out of the country is if we purify them, but then the shelf life goes down a lot."john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
This appears to be the main point of the thread for some people now.john80 said:
Harping on about how we deserve what we got is certainly going to assist us going forwards.bompington said:Gotta love all the brexiteers coming up with creative ways to hop better now that we've hacked one leg off
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.0 -
Plus i imagine you need a freshwater supply...when you're surrounded by sea.kingstongraham said:
I'm no expert, but it sounds like it might be prohibitively expensive to have the pumps, water circulation etc on each truckload. Maybe suggest it to them, see what they say.john80 said:
Maybe a product idea is a trailer that does the depuration during transport. By the time you get to Spain your product is treated and ready for market. I am sure the EU would block this as they would make you wait the full 48 hours on UK soil. Overnight ferry to Spain might sort this out.kingstongraham said:
From that article "The only way we can get them out of the country is if we purify them, but then the shelf life goes down a lot."john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
Even the bees aren't to be spared!
Brexit: Millions of bees could be 'destroyed' over import rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55901419
although I suppose the real sad truth behind this is the destruction of the environment/ habitats and the need to import pollinators in the first place.0 -
Yes, I'm sure it's top of Rishi's in tray. 🤣john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
From my one minute investigation, it can be seawater that is sterilised and filtered, or artificial seawater made from salts. These are seawater shellfish that are being cleaned while alive.elbowloh said:
Plus i imagine you need a freshwater supply...when you're surrounded by sea.kingstongraham said:
I'm no expert, but it sounds like it might be prohibitively expensive to have the pumps, water circulation etc on each truckload. Maybe suggest it to them, see what they say.john80 said:
Maybe a product idea is a trailer that does the depuration during transport. By the time you get to Spain your product is treated and ready for market. I am sure the EU would block this as they would make you wait the full 48 hours on UK soil. Overnight ferry to Spain might sort this out.kingstongraham said:
From that article "The only way we can get them out of the country is if we purify them, but then the shelf life goes down a lot."john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
I think the honest answer is that choosing to leave the single market with this deal means that some businesses just don't have a way of making money through exports anymore. The replacement businesses will have to come along to take their place.john80 said:
Harping on about how we deserve what we got is certainly going to assist us going forwards.bompington said:Gotta love all the brexiteers coming up with creative ways to hop better now that we've hacked one leg off
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Love this
The facial expression at the end haha. 👌🏻👌🏻0 -
Re the Article 16 Fiasco, a good read here from Tony Connelly... make of it what you will.
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0202/1194551-article-16-vaccines-brexit/0 -
hed be right. but that doesnt mean he cant work willingly within both the spirit and the word of the law. not every politician is a petulant spoiled brat.rick_chasey said:Worth remembering, as ever, Michael Gove considers the Good Friday Agreement a "moral stain," and a "humiliation" for the UK, so he might not be the best placed person to be commenting on the issue.
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The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
LOL - that is the first time that you to have admitted something bad has come of Brexit.Stevo_666 said:
This appears to be the main point of the thread for some people now.john80 said:
Harping on about how we deserve what we got is certainly going to assist us going forwards.bompington said:Gotta love all the brexiteers coming up with creative ways to hop better now that we've hacked one leg off
It is not a matter of getting what you deserve it is a matter of getting what you voted for. I feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall but this is what happens when you leave the SM/CU there will be less choice and some things will be more expensive and some businesses will go bust.
Don't go weak on me now, a few weeks ago you were both shouting from the rooftops about there being a price worth paying for sovereignty.
Don't you think it only fair that the heaviest price should be borne by those who value sovereignty the highest.1 -
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.0
