BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.1
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(technically...not true. Bringing a pork pie from Belfast is fine. Now, It would be correct to say that that 'It is currently easier for a South African to bring Covid into Belfast, that for a British person to bring a pork pie... #pedant #MaybeIHaveTheMakingsOfACustomsAgentAfterAll)rick_chasey said:We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Wish he'd become Tory leader. It would be nice to have a serious politician in charge but would probably be considered too boring in these days where it's all about "personality".rick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-witness-archive/philip-hammond/
Some amazing insight in this if you want to read it. Philip Hammond being very open about May and Brexit.
Seems quite clear to me that no-one in the cabinet was at all consulted about the strategy and direction the gov't took towards brexit.
For all this talk of von der Leyden going rogue, May did pretty much exactly the same thing - didn't even consult the chancellor of all people!0 -
Wouldn’t it be more sustainable to use the money to dig a big hole and then fill it in again and then start over?Pross said:I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.
There must be a better use for public funds than buildings a factory to wash shellfish that will shorten their shelf life so that they are still unexportable.
FFS those tvvats have been mocked on here for the fact that they exported their catch to the EU and that they were voting to destroy their livelihoods. If we knew how could they have not known?0 -
Nope. It is seawater that does the process.elbowloh said:
Plus i imagine you need a freshwater supply...when you're surrounded by sea.kingstongraham said:
I'm no expert, but it sounds like it might be prohibitively expensive to have the pumps, water circulation etc on each truckload. Maybe suggest it to them, see what they say.john80 said:
Maybe a product idea is a trailer that does the depuration during transport. By the time you get to Spain your product is treated and ready for market. I am sure the EU would block this as they would make you wait the full 48 hours on UK soil. Overnight ferry to Spain might sort this out.kingstongraham said:
From that article "The only way we can get them out of the country is if we purify them, but then the shelf life goes down a lot."john80 said:
Instead of asking each individual supplier to put in place a 1 million pound plant to treat shellfish just set it up then sell off the contract to manage it and get your money in depreciation back in the fees to each seller wanting their product processed. UK government breaks even and the UK fisherman get their product processed for a similar fee to the current EU suppliers. Consider it a big cooperative. There is a million ways to skin a cat here. The EU are not willing to review their procedures in April so why are we interested in their best interests as its clear they are not interested in ours. I recon if you wanted to you could have this up and running in April/May using an existing warehouse somewhere logistically sensible.elbowloh said:
How does the UK government go about making a plant? Are you talking about a nationalised industry or a subsidy? What does industry do in the meantime?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
I don't think there's any bluff about this. It's either in the deal and we agreed to it, or we just didn't do our due diligence and missed it.0 -
potential benefit from brexit...surrey_commuter said:
Wouldn’t it be more sustainable to use the money to dig a big hole and then fill it in again and then start over?Pross said:I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.
There must be a better use for public funds than buildings a factory to wash shellfish that will shorten their shelf life so that they are still unexportable.
FFS those tvvats have been mocked on here for the fact that they exported their catch to the EU and that they were voting to destroy their livelihoods. If we knew how could they have not known?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55894608
...let's hope it becomes reality
fishermen don't like it of course, some people are never happymy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
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Are we really saying that what Labour need to do to win power is to be more metropolitan Liberal elite?rick_chasey said:Love this
The facial expression at the end haha. 👌🏻👌🏻
Because I think that's clucking stupid.0 -
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
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I am all those involved in shellfish will want some dole payments. Think of it as an investment.😀surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.0 -
What on earth is wrong with students paying more towards their tuition than the general tax payer?john80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It wasn't logic, it was a joke.john80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
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Now that is just a but cnutish.john80 said:
I am all those involved in shellfish will want some dole payments. Think of it as an investment.😀surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
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They do when they statistically earn more. If they don't earn more they never pay it back. But don't let that stand in the way of your argument.rjsterry said:
What on earth is wrong with students paying more towards their tuition than the general tax payer?john80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
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We've already established that the UK fishing industry as a whole employs a tiny number of people. The winding up of Debenhams puts more jobs at risk. Perhaps we should nationalise them, too. And Topshop. Hell, let's publicly own every dead end business just to keep Comrade80 happy.john80 said:
I am all those involved in shellfish will want some dole payments. Think of it as an investment.😀surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You know about the birds and the bees?Pross said:I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.
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so far i'm ok with both proposalsjohn80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
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Last time I checked the high streets decline was not related to Brexit and has been a long term issue but good try. The EU have engineered a situation to make the UK shellfish industry uncompetitive. There is a lot of logic in supporting that industry with a short injection of support. Do you not find it funny that they were happy importing shellfish and processing it before January. Its as logical as seizing cheese and ham sandwiches.rjsterry said:
We've already established that the UK fishing industry as a whole employs a tiny number of people. The winding up of Debenhams puts more jobs at risk. Perhaps we should nationalise them, too. And Topshop. Hell, let's publicly own every dead end business just to keep Comrade80 happy.john80 said:
I am all those involved in shellfish will want some dole payments. Think of it as an investment.😀surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
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had you not heard about the bees?TheBigBean said:
You know about the birds and the bees?Pross said:I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55901419my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
He actually doesn't give a shot about people's livelihoods, he just wants to give the impression that all these problems are easily solved and we should get over it.rjsterry said:
We've already established that the UK fishing industry as a whole employs a tiny number of people. The winding up of Debenhams puts more jobs at risk. Perhaps we should nationalise them, too. And Topshop. Hell, let's publicly own every dead end business just to keep Comrade80 happy.john80 said:
I am all those involved in shellfish will want some dole payments. Think of it as an investment.😀surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
Feck'em if they end up on the dole, it's their fault for not being clever enough to find a decent job, make prior adjustments to the deal (even though it was last minute) and for believing that the government was acting in their best interests.1 -
Most of them do earn more.john80 said:
They do when they statistically earn more. If they don't earn more they never pay it back. But don't let that stand in the way of your argument.rjsterry said:
What on earth is wrong with students paying more towards their tuition than the general tax payer?john80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281936/average-salary-by-education-level-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
I know you hate Tony Blair, but that was a policy both major parties supported.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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They probably will with that can do attitude. In all seriousness it would take longer to get the paperwork in place than sort out the process and equipment from reading a research paper on how it's done. I have done nuclear engineering jobs quicker than your timescales and that is a slow and heavily regulated industry.Pross said:I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.
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I am sure it won't be too hard to find an example that impoverishes you unless you vote green because they have literally achieved naff all.sungod said:
so far i'm ok with both proposalsjohn80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
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Me too actually.sungod said:
so far i'm ok with both proposalsjohn80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
Turns out Blair was more Tory than most Tories.0 -
I take it you've not been involved with the UK planning system, then?john80 said:
They probably will with that can do attitude. In all seriousness it would take longer to get the paperwork in place than sort out the process and equipment from reading a research paper on how it's done. I have done nuclear engineering jobs quicker than your timescales and that is a slow and heavily regulated industry.Pross said:I see we're back into building factories again. Will there be any shellfish manufacturers left by time we've found suitable sites, undertaken feasibility studies, gained planning, appointed a Contractor and finally built and fitted out the factory? I suppose we might get lucky and find a suitable facility in the right location that can be converted and fitted out so do it within a year or two instead of 5-10 years.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from what I said?surrey_commuter said:
LOL - that is the first time that you to have admitted something bad has come of Brexit.Stevo_666 said:
This appears to be the main point of the thread for some people now.john80 said:
Harping on about how we deserve what we got is certainly going to assist us going forwards.bompington said:Gotta love all the brexiteers coming up with creative ways to hop better now that we've hacked one leg off
It is not a matter of getting what you deserve it is a matter of getting what you voted for. I feel like I am banging my head against a brick wall but this is what happens when you leave the SM/CU there will be less choice and some things will be more expensive and some businesses will go bust.
Don't go weak on me now, a few weeks ago you were both shouting from the rooftops about there being a price worth paying for sovereignty.
Don't you think it only fair that the heaviest price should be borne by those who value sovereignty the highest."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
i dunno, i support your suggestion and get spurnedjohn80 said:
I am sure it won't be too hard to find an example that impoverishes you unless you vote green because they have literally achieved naff all.sungod said:
so far i'm ok with both proposalsjohn80 said:
Can all those that voted for Tony Blair in 98 be charged for all students tuition fees for ever more. That should bankrupt most Labour voters. See where your logic goes.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
i've no issue with those who vote for it paying for it, perfectly fair vs. the innocent paying for everyone else's bad choices
personally i'd also happily pay whatever the claimed uk cost per head of eu membership was in return for getting my rights backmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Whilst that is not possible you could target the demographics who voted to Leave, pensioners, northerners, fish, farmers.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
In reality that means replacing triple lock with CPI, sod levelling up and stop compensating people who voted to destroy their own livelihood1 -
No I think they should get momentum front and center and driving it. At least they are clear about what they stand for, theyll drain the swamp. More momentum is whats required. get rid of Keir and those wannabe tories and get to proper socialist policies.Jezyboy said:
Are we really saying that what Labour need to do to win power is to be more metropolitan Liberal elite?rick_chasey said:Love this
The facial expression at the end haha. 👌🏻👌🏻
Because I think that's clucking stupid.0 -
Sounds like a plan.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst that is not possible you could target the demographics who voted to Leave, pensioners, northerners, fish, farmers.elbowloh said:
Maybe there should be additional tax levy on those who voted for Brexit to pay for all Brexit related costs?surrey_commuter said:
can you really find nothing more important to spend our taxes on?john80 said:
Sometimes if you want something done quickly the deep pockets of government and the creativity of the engineering sector can get things done. Its not like we don't know how the EU plants are constructed or the technology basic as this is.rjsterry said:
Nationalising shellfish production? Jeepers, how much of a full blown socialist are you?john80 said:
If the UK government was smart it would call the EU's bluff and make a single UK plant for all UK shellfish then only export product compliant with the EU. EU business loses out on jobs and we gain. Its not that hard.elbowloh said:More of the fishing industry front - from Fishing News!
All live mollusc exports to the EU banned indefinitely. Not teething problems either. Industry was told that this would all be solved when new EU legislation is due to come in April 2021, but that is not the case. The UK does not have the means here to process the catch before shipping.
https://fishingnews.co.uk/news/live-mollusc-exports-ban/
censored business and censored you fishermen/women.
In reality that means replacing triple lock with CPI, sod levelling up and stop compensating people who voted to destroy their own livelihood
Not from the homecounties? 10% tax increase
OVer 50? No rona vaccine for you
White male over 50 from up t north. No pension, no nhs, no vote.
liberal handwringing bedwetter? Pay rise and eternal thanks for your enormous intellects-1
