BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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One and the same in this case.surrey_commuter said:
Warden or nursedarkhairedlord said:
one handed while keeping a watch for the warden before replacing behind the cistern.elbowloh said:0 -
Keep it up coopster.david37 said:and still the EU is failing bigly and still the "remainers" (lets not upset the precious losers) look for things to avoid acknowledging the facts.
the EU about a month into our new relationship has unilaterally created a defacto hard border between Ireland and NI. the very thing they tantrumed about avoiding.
its not trolling to point this out. it is however an indication about the veracity or lack thereof of the EUs intentions and behaviour. They don't want a partnership they just want domination.0 -
awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.sungod said:
"precious losers", i'd say that makes you a "precious troll"david37 said:and still the EU is failing bigly and still the "remainers" (lets not upset the precious losers) look for things to avoid acknowledging the facts.
the EU about a month into our new relationship has unilaterally created a defacto hard border between Ireland and NI. the very thing they tantrumed about avoiding.
its not trolling to point this out. it is however an indication about the veracity or lack thereof of the EUs intentions and behaviour. They don't want a partnership they just want domination.
if you stopped the pathetic abuse, perhaps others would listen to your point of view instead of mocking you0 -
i think the Moral High ground has been well and truly brushed away.john80 said:
Maybe they realise their moral high ground approach that worked so well for Brexit will only continue to work if you don't do stuff like article 16.briantrumpet said:Some incoming furious backpedalling looks likely, at least on Article 16:
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None of this would have happened without brexit.0
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It also wouldn't have happened if the EU commission had been either competent or able to accept blame.kingstongraham said:None of this would have happened without brexit.
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Difference being, Brexit was something chosen by the electorateTheBigBean said:
It also wouldn't have happened if the EU commission had been either competent or able to accept blame.kingstongraham said:None of this would have happened without brexit.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
That's whataboutismTheBigBean said:
It also wouldn't have happened if the EU commission had been either competent or able to accept blame.kingstongraham said:None of this would have happened without brexit.
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i assume you're referring to my demonstrably true statements of his behaviourStevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
as long as he acts like a troll, it's fair to call him a troll and not give a damn about whatever point he's attempting to make
if he wants to be civil, he might be worth engaging with
if you prefer to continue accept deliberate abuse and trolling, that's your choicemy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
I think I just raised your whataboutism with some whataboutismkingstongraham said:
That's whataboutismTheBigBean said:
It also wouldn't have happened if the EU commission had been either competent or able to accept blame.kingstongraham said:None of this would have happened without brexit.
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No. I have seen enough to recognise (and report) a troll.Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
They should say they are only doing it in a very specific and limited way, just to ratchet it up.1
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The strange thing is that these people (or person) are completely unable to realise that everybody else is here to debate and learn, it really should not be beyond them to find fora that suit their posting style.secretsam said:
No. I have seen enough to recognise (and report) a troll.Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
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your attitude says a lot about you. Dont like someones opinion? Theyre a troll.sungod said:
i assume you're referring to my demonstrably true statements of his behaviourStevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
as long as he acts like a troll, it's fair to call him a troll and not give a damn about whatever point he's attempting to make
if he wants to be civil, he might be worth engaging with
if you prefer to continue accept deliberate abuse and trolling, that's your choice
Civility is a two way street boy.0 -
kingstongraham said:
They should say they are only doing it in a very specific and limited way, just to ratchet it up.
I think they did make it clear the suspension was only in relation to the vaccine, in all other respects they were clear things remained the same.
The problem is the principle which the EU was extraordinarily keen to establish has been washed away.
it was a complete f up and very badly handled at the very very top of the organisation.0 -
Some of your comments towards him were pretty uncivil, so you should expect to get a similar response.sungod said:
i assume you're referring to my demonstrably true statements of his behaviourStevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
as long as he acts like a troll, it's fair to call him a troll and not give a damn about whatever point he's attempting to make
if he wants to be civil, he might be worth engaging with
if you prefer to continue accept deliberate abuse and trolling, that's your choice"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Each to their own. I don't think he is trolling.secretsam said:
No. I have seen enough to recognise (and report) a troll.Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Always good to get an unbiased opinion 😀Stevo_666 said:
Each to their own. I don't think he is trolling.secretsam said:
No. I have seen enough to recognise (and report) a troll.Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
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A useful summary from David Allen Green of the Article 16 débâcle so far...
https://davidallengreen.com/2021/01/what-is-article-16-of-the-northern-irish-protocol-and-what-on-earth-was-the-european-commission-thinking-includes-a-copy-of-the-now-deleted-proposed-regulation/0 -
Maybe I just have a thicker skin than some?surrey_commuter said:
Always good to get an unbiased opinion 😀Stevo_666 said:
Each to their own. I don't think he is trolling.secretsam said:
No. I have seen enough to recognise (and report) a troll.Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Or recognise that there are plenty of hypocrites on here with regards to dishing out personal abuse.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe I just have a thicker skin than some?surrey_commuter said:
Always good to get an unbiased opinion 😀Stevo_666 said:
Each to their own. I don't think he is trolling.secretsam said:
No. I have seen enough to recognise (and report) a troll.Stevo_666 said:
I think you need to look at some of Sungods comments to get this in context.secretsam said:
"The cake stop: The place for more serious off-topic questions, light-hearted banter and friendly chat"david37 said:awwww it hurts you still doesnt it. Seriously let it go you can see the EU now for what it is.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55866285briantrumpet said:A useful summary from David Allen Green of the Article 16 débâcle so far...
https://davidallengreen.com/2021/01/what-is-article-16-of-the-northern-irish-protocol-and-what-on-earth-was-the-european-commission-thinking-includes-a-copy-of-the-now-deleted-proposed-regulation/
eu idiotically threatens to invoke article 16, foster rages at eu threat to invoke article 16, eu backtracks on invoking article 16, foster idiotically asks uk to invoke article 16
politics in action
diplomacy and negotiation do not guarantee success, but public posturing and threats near guarantee failure and certainly poison relationships
if only there were a historical record of such things to learn frommy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Seems like von der Leyen was acting unilaterally... it doesn't reflect well on the EU that she could go so far without being reined in, but the speed with which this all escalated does have the hallmarks of not being an institutional decision, and follows a pattern established by von der Leyen in Germany. Telegraph reporting:
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Does perhaps show the flaws in the institution if one individual with a grudge can do this sort of thing?briantrumpet said:Seems like von der Leyen was acting unilaterally... it doesn't reflect well on the EU that she could go so far without being reined in, but the speed with which this all escalated does have the hallmarks of not being an institutional decision, and follows a pattern established by von der Leyen in Germany. Telegraph reporting:
Also a nice little admission a out the games over the backstop in there.
However, I have commented before on the vanishingly small likelihood of senior EU people losing their jobs over poor performance, so if she goes because of this I will join SC in a double hat eating extravaganza."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
In some more good news, we've applied to join the CPTPP:
https://bbc.co.uk/news/business-55871373
There are a few countries in there where there was no previous EU trade deal.
Covers a market of 500m people and as the article says:
It includes a promise to eliminate or reduce 95% of import charges - although some of these charges are kept to protect some home-made products, for example Japan's rice and Canada's dairy industry.
In return, countries must cooperate on regulations, such as food standards. However, these standards and regulations do not have to be identical, and member countries can strike their own trade deals.
Whats not to like? "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Oh mate if only you exercised this line of questioning to all government institutionsStevo_666 said:
Does perhaps show the flaws in the institution if one individual with a grudge can do this sort of thing?briantrumpet said:Seems like von der Leyen was acting unilaterally... it doesn't reflect well on the EU that she could go so far without being reined in, but the speed with which this all escalated does have the hallmarks of not being an institutional decision, and follows a pattern established by von der Leyen in Germany. Telegraph reporting:
Also a nice little admission a out the games over the backstop in there.
However, I have commented before on the vanishingly likelihood of senior EU people losing their jobs over poor performance, so if she goes because of this I will join SC in double hat eating extravaganza.2 -
No googling name the member countries of the CPTPP.Stevo_666 said:In some more good news, we've applied to join the CPTPP:
https://bbc.co.uk/news/business-55871373
There are a few countries in there where there was no previous EU trade deal.
Covers a market of 500m people and as the article says:
It includes a promise to eliminate or reduce 95% of import charges - although some of these charges are kept to protect some home-made products, for example Japan's rice and Canada's dairy industry.
In return, countries must cooperate on regulations, such as food standards. However, these standards and regulations do not have to be identical, and member countries can strike their own trade deals.
Whats not to like?
No, me neither0 -
CPTPP is possibly the back door to a US trade deal as they are planning to join it too according to R5 this morning.
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