BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Jezyboy said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?

I thought it was 65 and 63 were rolled over. That would suggest that making the rollovers bespoke so that there is an improvement will take decades

To be fair originally there was lots of chat around how difficult even rollovers would be to achieve. So I think it's only right they get a degree of credit for them.

but a rolled over trade deal can not be celebrated as a benefit of Brexit.

Better than not doing them. Of course, trade deals with countries where none existed before will be more of a win.

darkhairedlord

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?

No specific concerns, but if no one read the EU deal, are we expecting anyone to read these?

Not sure, but you seemed to be raising a concern about these deals.

A general concern that reporting of a deal doesn't mean its a good deal.

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?

No specific concerns, but if no one read the EU deal, are we expecting anyone to read these?

Not sure, but you seemed to be raising a concern about these deals.

A general concern that reporting of a deal doesn't mean its a good deal.

You've already said that.

darkhairedlord

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?

No specific concerns, but if no one read the EU deal, are we expecting anyone to read these?

Not sure, but you seemed to be raising a concern about these deals.

A general concern that reporting of a deal doesn't mean its a good deal.

You've already said that.

no I haven't

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

He is sat in the Waltzer, roll up is lit but can he escape or will he scream to go faster?

rjsterry

darkhairedlord

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

surrey_commuter

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

sungod

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

anyhow, about your specific lack of concerns, anything to say?

darkhairedlord

surrey_commuter said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

What is sealioning?

briantrumpet

darkhairedlord said:

surrey_commuter said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

What is sealioning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Any resemblance to any forum members is unintentional and entirely coincidence.

darkhairedlord

briantrumpet said:

darkhairedlord said:

surrey_commuter said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

What is sealioning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Any resemblance to any forum members is unintentional and entirely coincidence.

Ah, I just thought he was being an ar5e.

briantrumpet

darkhairedlord said:

briantrumpet said:

darkhairedlord said:

surrey_commuter said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

What is sealioning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Any resemblance to any forum members is unintentional and entirely coincidence.

Ah, I just thought he was being an ar5e.

Arsealion, maybe.

Stevo_666

I'm sure DHL is a grown up and can answer questions himself...or maybe not

Or is this the centre leftie tag team

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Translated as: you have no arguments to put forward.

Stevo_666

sungod said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

anyhow, about your specific lack of concerns, anything to say?

Thanks for your useful contribution.

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

He is sat in the Waltzer, roll up is lit but can he escape or will he scream to go faster?

He can get off anytime by ATFQ

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

darkhairedlord said:

briantrumpet said:

darkhairedlord said:

surrey_commuter said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

What is sealioning?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Any resemblance to any forum members is unintentional and entirely coincidence.

Ah, I just thought he was being an ar5e.

Arsealion, maybe.

Oh you're so mean Bwian. I'm sure the chip on shoulder about Brexit has nothing to do with your owning a second home in France

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

surrey_commuter said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

I refer you to my previous answer.

Like a dog with a bone he can not let go and is doomed to death by sealioning

What is sealioning?

Its a label chucked around usually when I ask people questions that they try to avoid answering because they have no answers or it makes them feel uncomfortable. Hence the frequency

It also has a tendency to make some people start playing the man not the ball, as you can see here...

rick_chasey

Wrong thread

kingstongraham

The deal with the EU has had some issues that didn't seem fully understood even by those who signed it before it was implemented. Any that are simply rolled over probably won't.

darkhairedlord

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

He is sat in the Waltzer, roll up is lit but can he escape or will he scream to go faster?

He can get off anytime by ATFQ

My concern is the same as it was in my previous answers. It a concern of oversight. If one of your lackeys came into the office saying they had signed a deal worth £18bn would you be cheering or would you ask to look at it? And then ask a team of lawyers to look at it?

elbowloh

You'd also take into consideration who had made the deal / who is communicating that the deal is done.

I'd trust a deal made my Arthur Daley over most of the shower of (proven) lying cnuts we have in Government.

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

darkhairedlord said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

TheBigBean said:

New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.

https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/

Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal

That's quite a few in total.

Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggame

True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.

It depends upon what in the deal through.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!

This is where you implied it.

Anyhow, about your specific concerns; anything to say?

He is sat in the Waltzer, roll up is lit but can he escape or will he scream to go faster?

He can get off anytime by ATFQ

My concern is the same as it was in my previous answers. It a concern of oversight. If one of your lackeys came into the office saying they had signed a deal worth £18bn would you be cheering or would you ask to look at it? And then ask a team of lawyers to look at it?

Based on what I know, these sort of deals get a fair amount of scrutiny during the process rather than being left to a junior negotiator to deal with on their own.

My point is what are your issues with what we have signed. You appear to be saying or implying they may not be good but no idea what you are basing it on, hence the question.

kingstongraham

What are the deals (other than with the EU) that are not just continuity agreements rolled over from the EU?

pangolin

kingstongraham said:

What are the deals (other than with the EU) that are not just continuity agreements rolled over from the EU?

Yeah tried to work this out but couldn't find it and gave up

ddraver

https://twitter.com/ITVJoel/status/1354403190494654466?s=20

Stevo_666

I think the EU deal is worth including...

Japan wasn't a rollover IIRC. But not sure about which were simple rollovers as the info isn't presented in that way in what I have seen.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

I think the EU deal is worth including...

Japan wasn't a rollover IIRC. But not sure about which were simple rollovers as the info isn't presented in that way in what I have seen.

not even you can claim the EU deal is an improvement on what we had before

Japan is not counted as a rollover but I think Liz Truss finally admitted that there are no benefits to the new deal. I think the main problem is that written into the EU deal was that they had the best terms so anything Japan gave us they would have to give the EU. I do not see us ending up with the same terms (or slightly worse) as a failure but we are not better off.