BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE
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Well no. If they hadn't let the virus run away like they did, the need for a vaccine would be much less.david37 said:
no lets not forget about the massive success. thats just yes but whataboutery.elbowloh said:
Forget about the vaccines for a minute and look at PPE and test and trace.david37 said:
i think the way covid contracts have been handed out is working quite well. I guess you prefer the EU way. without vaccine.elbowloh said:
There were concerns over Trump and rightly so (imo), but trade deals need to be agreed by our side and we just don't trust our side to put the country's best interested at heart over, well lining their own and their mates pockets.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading some of the previous arguments on here about doing trade deals with other countries. All of them were going to harm us in some way or be worthless because they were not with the EU. Especially the USA, although this may have changed slightly now Trump is no longer president.elbowloh said:
Well no. It's not about nasty countries at all. It's about a complete lack of trust in our own government due to their lying and bungling over the last 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
Its all about those nasty countries that we might do trade deals with, as opposed to the nice cuddly EUdavid37 said:as a result of brexit were all going to have employment rights stripped away, raw sewage will be pumped into the sea, and union carbide will be responsible for water quality, prisons will all be handed over to AMerican prison services and the NHS will be sold off. were going to get rampant inflation and our wages will fall to thirdworld standards.
Seriously instead of looking for fault either real or hypothetical wouldnt it be healthier to look to the future and make it great? I might be in a small minority here abouts.
See my example on animal welfare above btw
Why? Well i think the way COVID contracts and jobs were handed out has demonstrated this quite clearly.
One success does not negate the nepotism and incompetence that went before it.0 -
(except we could have done exactly the same if we were in the EU.)3
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Wasn't it pointed out when the Govt claimed this as a Brexit success that we could have gone down the same route even if we were in the EU? i.e. other EU countries could have done the same, but chose to take part in the EU approval/purchase scheme instead?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/
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This is not correct. Under European law, the UK was permitted to act independently to approve the vaccine in an emergency.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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100,000 dead, so fardavid37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE
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oh, and facts are more important than emotionsmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
...and expected to hit 150,000 deaths before this is over*
*For now.0 -
Being fair, it was brexit that meant we had an agency sat around with nothing to do, and it's likely we wouldn't have gone our own way if we were in the EU.
BUT... In the alternative world where we were in the EU, our Great British scientists would have been part of the EU agency, and it might have been different for the EU. As someone likes to say, we'll never know.0 -
Obviously entirely hypothetical, but I think it would have been the same if the UK was in the EU. The EU vaccine programme wasn't a great option for the UK, so I can't see how being in the EU would have mattered and made the UK sign up.kingstongraham said:Being fair, it was brexit that meant we had an agency sat around with nothing to do, and it's likely we wouldn't have gone our own way if we were in the EU.
BUT... In the alternative world where we were in the EU, our Great British scientists would have been part of the EU agency, and it might have been different for the EU. As someone likes to say, we'll never know.
The only tiny difference I can see is that the EMA wouldn't have lost so many employees due to its move.0 -
The bit I've bolded is utter horseshite.elbowloh said:
Well no. If they hadn't let the virus run away like they did, the need for a vaccine would be much less.david37 said:
no lets not forget about the massive success. thats just yes but whataboutery.elbowloh said:
Forget about the vaccines for a minute and look at PPE and test and trace.david37 said:
i think the way covid contracts have been handed out is working quite well. I guess you prefer the EU way. without vaccine.elbowloh said:
There were concerns over Trump and rightly so (imo), but trade deals need to be agreed by our side and we just don't trust our side to put the country's best interested at heart over, well lining their own and their mates pockets.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading some of the previous arguments on here about doing trade deals with other countries. All of them were going to harm us in some way or be worthless because they were not with the EU. Especially the USA, although this may have changed slightly now Trump is no longer president.elbowloh said:
Well no. It's not about nasty countries at all. It's about a complete lack of trust in our own government due to their lying and bungling over the last 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
Its all about those nasty countries that we might do trade deals with, as opposed to the nice cuddly EUdavid37 said:as a result of brexit were all going to have employment rights stripped away, raw sewage will be pumped into the sea, and union carbide will be responsible for water quality, prisons will all be handed over to AMerican prison services and the NHS will be sold off. were going to get rampant inflation and our wages will fall to thirdworld standards.
Seriously instead of looking for fault either real or hypothetical wouldnt it be healthier to look to the future and make it great? I might be in a small minority here abouts.
See my example on animal welfare above btw
Why? Well i think the way COVID contracts and jobs were handed out has demonstrated this quite clearly.
One success does not negate the nepotism and incompetence that went before it.
The need for a vaccine is no different.
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Don't see New Zealand, South Korea or Australia crying out for a vaccine.Dorset_Boy said:
The bit I've bolded is utter horseshite.elbowloh said:
Well no. If they hadn't let the virus run away like they did, the need for a vaccine would be much less.david37 said:
no lets not forget about the massive success. thats just yes but whataboutery.elbowloh said:
Forget about the vaccines for a minute and look at PPE and test and trace.david37 said:
i think the way covid contracts have been handed out is working quite well. I guess you prefer the EU way. without vaccine.elbowloh said:
There were concerns over Trump and rightly so (imo), but trade deals need to be agreed by our side and we just don't trust our side to put the country's best interested at heart over, well lining their own and their mates pockets.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading some of the previous arguments on here about doing trade deals with other countries. All of them were going to harm us in some way or be worthless because they were not with the EU. Especially the USA, although this may have changed slightly now Trump is no longer president.elbowloh said:
Well no. It's not about nasty countries at all. It's about a complete lack of trust in our own government due to their lying and bungling over the last 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
Its all about those nasty countries that we might do trade deals with, as opposed to the nice cuddly EUdavid37 said:as a result of brexit were all going to have employment rights stripped away, raw sewage will be pumped into the sea, and union carbide will be responsible for water quality, prisons will all be handed over to AMerican prison services and the NHS will be sold off. were going to get rampant inflation and our wages will fall to thirdworld standards.
Seriously instead of looking for fault either real or hypothetical wouldnt it be healthier to look to the future and make it great? I might be in a small minority here abouts.
See my example on animal welfare above btw
Why? Well i think the way COVID contracts and jobs were handed out has demonstrated this quite clearly.
One success does not negate the nepotism and incompetence that went before it.
The need for a vaccine is no different.
At the time, the government were telling us that the key to defeating the virus was an effective test and trace system. They ignored systems that worked elsewhere to give billions to their mates companies, they put their mates wife in charge of the programme and fecked it up.1 -
Oddly those places have the opposite problem, they need everyone else to hurry up and get vaccinated.elbowloh said:
Don't see New Zealand, South Korea or Australia crying out for a vaccine.Dorset_Boy said:
The bit I've bolded is utter horseshite.elbowloh said:
Well no. If they hadn't let the virus run away like they did, the need for a vaccine would be much less.david37 said:
no lets not forget about the massive success. thats just yes but whataboutery.elbowloh said:
Forget about the vaccines for a minute and look at PPE and test and trace.david37 said:
i think the way covid contracts have been handed out is working quite well. I guess you prefer the EU way. without vaccine.elbowloh said:
There were concerns over Trump and rightly so (imo), but trade deals need to be agreed by our side and we just don't trust our side to put the country's best interested at heart over, well lining their own and their mates pockets.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading some of the previous arguments on here about doing trade deals with other countries. All of them were going to harm us in some way or be worthless because they were not with the EU. Especially the USA, although this may have changed slightly now Trump is no longer president.elbowloh said:
Well no. It's not about nasty countries at all. It's about a complete lack of trust in our own government due to their lying and bungling over the last 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
Its all about those nasty countries that we might do trade deals with, as opposed to the nice cuddly EUdavid37 said:as a result of brexit were all going to have employment rights stripped away, raw sewage will be pumped into the sea, and union carbide will be responsible for water quality, prisons will all be handed over to AMerican prison services and the NHS will be sold off. were going to get rampant inflation and our wages will fall to thirdworld standards.
Seriously instead of looking for fault either real or hypothetical wouldnt it be healthier to look to the future and make it great? I might be in a small minority here abouts.
See my example on animal welfare above btw
Why? Well i think the way COVID contracts and jobs were handed out has demonstrated this quite clearly.
One success does not negate the nepotism and incompetence that went before it.
The need for a vaccine is no different.
At the time, the government were telling us that the key to defeating the virus was an effective test and trace system. They ignored systems that worked elsewhere to give billions to their mates companies, they put their mates wife in charge of the programme and fecked it up.
At some point the balance shifts for us too, there's no point us vaccinating our whole country if it's still rampant on the continent.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Of course they are.elbowloh said:
Don't see New Zealand, South Korea or Australia crying out for a vaccine.Dorset_Boy said:
The bit I've bolded is utter horseshite.elbowloh said:
Well no. If they hadn't let the virus run away like they did, the need for a vaccine would be much less.david37 said:
no lets not forget about the massive success. thats just yes but whataboutery.elbowloh said:
Forget about the vaccines for a minute and look at PPE and test and trace.david37 said:
i think the way covid contracts have been handed out is working quite well. I guess you prefer the EU way. without vaccine.elbowloh said:
There were concerns over Trump and rightly so (imo), but trade deals need to be agreed by our side and we just don't trust our side to put the country's best interested at heart over, well lining their own and their mates pockets.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading some of the previous arguments on here about doing trade deals with other countries. All of them were going to harm us in some way or be worthless because they were not with the EU. Especially the USA, although this may have changed slightly now Trump is no longer president.elbowloh said:
Well no. It's not about nasty countries at all. It's about a complete lack of trust in our own government due to their lying and bungling over the last 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
Its all about those nasty countries that we might do trade deals with, as opposed to the nice cuddly EUdavid37 said:as a result of brexit were all going to have employment rights stripped away, raw sewage will be pumped into the sea, and union carbide will be responsible for water quality, prisons will all be handed over to AMerican prison services and the NHS will be sold off. were going to get rampant inflation and our wages will fall to thirdworld standards.
Seriously instead of looking for fault either real or hypothetical wouldnt it be healthier to look to the future and make it great? I might be in a small minority here abouts.
See my example on animal welfare above btw
Why? Well i think the way COVID contracts and jobs were handed out has demonstrated this quite clearly.
One success does not negate the nepotism and incompetence that went before it.
The need for a vaccine is no different.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines
That Asian boss video from last march had him saying that vaccines were important.0 -
Were not in new zealand are we though? It doesnt look anything like the uk. Accept it, you naysayers are a busted flush. Go away and lick your wounds.
The acquisition of vaccine is a massive success.0 -
No one has disputed that we've done well with the vaccine, but if you score a stunning overhead kick, and score 5 own goals, you don't win the match.2
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Well a vaccine programme for Aus & NZ isn't needed if they plan to remain isolated from the rest of the world for ever more and have zero tourist trade.elbowloh said:
Don't see New Zealand, South Korea or Australia crying out for a vaccine.Dorset_Boy said:
The bit I've bolded is utter horseshite.elbowloh said:
Well no. If they hadn't let the virus run away like they did, the need for a vaccine would be much less.david37 said:
no lets not forget about the massive success. thats just yes but whataboutery.elbowloh said:
Forget about the vaccines for a minute and look at PPE and test and trace.david37 said:
i think the way covid contracts have been handed out is working quite well. I guess you prefer the EU way. without vaccine.elbowloh said:
There were concerns over Trump and rightly so (imo), but trade deals need to be agreed by our side and we just don't trust our side to put the country's best interested at heart over, well lining their own and their mates pockets.Stevo_666 said:
Try reading some of the previous arguments on here about doing trade deals with other countries. All of them were going to harm us in some way or be worthless because they were not with the EU. Especially the USA, although this may have changed slightly now Trump is no longer president.elbowloh said:
Well no. It's not about nasty countries at all. It's about a complete lack of trust in our own government due to their lying and bungling over the last 4 years.Stevo_666 said:
Its all about those nasty countries that we might do trade deals with, as opposed to the nice cuddly EUdavid37 said:as a result of brexit were all going to have employment rights stripped away, raw sewage will be pumped into the sea, and union carbide will be responsible for water quality, prisons will all be handed over to AMerican prison services and the NHS will be sold off. were going to get rampant inflation and our wages will fall to thirdworld standards.
Seriously instead of looking for fault either real or hypothetical wouldnt it be healthier to look to the future and make it great? I might be in a small minority here abouts.
See my example on animal welfare above btw
Why? Well i think the way COVID contracts and jobs were handed out has demonstrated this quite clearly.
One success does not negate the nepotism and incompetence that went before it.
The need for a vaccine is no different.
At the time, the government were telling us that the key to defeating the virus was an effective test and trace system. They ignored systems that worked elsewhere to give billions to their mates companies, they put their mates wife in charge of the programme and fecked it up.4 -
It's turned out to be an advantage of not having to do everything within the EU structures. But not of brexit. It's not that complicated.david37 said:Were not in new zealand are we though? It doesnt look anything like the uk. Accept it, you naysayers are a busted flush. Go away and lick your wounds.
The acquisition of vaccine is a massive success.0 -
Should make for good copy in the European press when the truck loads of vaccine are held up by the fastidious Dutch customs to check the contents of the drivers' sandwiches and carry out a thorough search of the cargo for an errant slice of ham with a jocular, "Welcome to Brexit, sir"
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Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE
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Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE0 -
CS is Centrist Dad Central, though.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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OK so there might be 2 or 3 of you. Makes me feel ancient that 40 year olds grew up in the millennium!rick_chasey said:
Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
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Age checks for buying booze in the USA currently pretty straightforward - does the birth year on the ID start with a 1?0
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It's great being a millennial. Rick and I are constantly high fiving and shouting BOOM at each other.Pross said:
OK so there might be 2 or 3 of you. Makes me feel ancient that 40 year olds grew up in the millennium!rick_chasey said:
Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Plus not giving a feck and attending illegal lockdown raves.pangolin said:
It's great being a millennial. Rick and I are constantly high fiving and shouting BOOM at each other.Pross said:
OK so there might be 2 or 3 of you. Makes me feel ancient that 40 year olds grew up in the millennium!rick_chasey said:
Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE0 -
I know youre a millenial. the wet handwringing always right attitude and need for lots of friends and constant approval screams of itpangolin said:
It's great being a millennial. Rick and I are constantly high fiving and shouting BOOM at each other.Pross said:
OK so there might be 2 or 3 of you. Makes me feel ancient that 40 year olds grew up in the millennium!rick_chasey said:
Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE
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I can see why you want to move the conversation on from your embarrassingly incorrect post at the top of this page.david37 said:
I know youre a millenial. the wet handwringing always right attitude and need for lots of friends and constant approval screams of itpangolin said:
It's great being a millennial. Rick and I are constantly high fiving and shouting BOOM at each other.Pross said:
OK so there might be 2 or 3 of you. Makes me feel ancient that 40 year olds grew up in the millennium!rick_chasey said:
Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE- Genesis Croix de Fer
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whereas you present yourself as an ill-informed, bigoted and unpleasant individual who revels in others' misfortunedavid37 said:
I know youre a millenial. the wet handwringing always right attitude and need for lots of friends and constant approval screams of itpangolin said:
It's great being a millennial. Rick and I are constantly high fiving and shouting BOOM at each other.Pross said:
OK so there might be 2 or 3 of you. Makes me feel ancient that 40 year olds grew up in the millennium!rick_chasey said:
Millennials are under 40 and over 25.....Pross said:
Not sure you'll find many youngsters or millennials posting on here.david37 said:lets face it those "show me one tangible benifit not being in the EU has brought" should be well and truly put to bed now. unless of course access to a particular brand of shorts is more important than 300million early doses of vaccine.
i think that might be a good time for Farage to walk on stage left say " brexit got the vaccine for us" drop the mike and exit stage right.
or as you youngsters say when youre high fiving yourselves and congratulating yourselves for being millenials. BOOOOM
Even in your worlds where facts are less important than emotions.
SHAAAAAADE
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny1
