BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I was struggling to find a chest of drawers to fill a tall thin gap and the owner of a shop made it bespoke for no more money than his other pieces. It was only made of pine but I felt well posh commissioning my own furniture and 15 years later I am still happy with the qualityrjsterry said:
Why on earth is that tragic? There are plenty of UK based joiners if you feel so inclined and some even source local timber (although it's scarce). They will be more expensive, though.john80 said:
The last set of bedroom furniture we bought was russian oak shipped to China, made into furniture and then shipped whole to the UK and sold from a farm shed using the internet for the sale. It would be funny if it was not so tragic.skyblueamateur said:
There can be massive variations.surrey_commuter said:
I get that there will be a wide variation but what sort of goods values are we talking in one of these containers?skyblueamateur said:
I was using bikes as an example. All product from the Far East will increase in cost due to the massive, massive increase in shipping costs.loltoride said:
Not exactly true the major problem is the raw materials in particular aluminum, I know of manufacturers that have warehouses full of carbon bikes but no parts to complete build as of this morning.skyblueamateur said:The price of all Taiwanese frames are going to increase regardless because of the large increase in container freight charges from the Far East. They've tripled since October because of a shortage of containers.
We were paying USD4,500 for a 40' HQ Container and are now paying anywhere between USD13-16,000. That's not an increase you can just absorb. We've been experiencing this since mid-December.
We are also experiencing raw material increase of between 3-8% but this has been offset somewhat by the strengthening pound.
I can not begin to guess how many sofas or bike frames you could get in a container
We buy some smaller parts that are reasonably high value but lower volume so when amortised its not too bad.
On the flip we also purchase reasonably large parts with little value. These are obviously going to have a hefty price increase.
With regards sofas I would guess maybe 60 in a 40' HQ container so would add approx. £150-£200 per sofa.
TBF I'm unsure how they package them so could well be underestimating how many you get in a container.0 -
When it came to FS the argument was that they need us more than they them due to the lack of depth in their markets. That is why we chose to exclude FS from the talks because it was our trump card to threaten them with.Dorset_Boy said:
In financial services you needed passporting to do business in the EU pre-Brexit. It was obvious to anyone in the sector that there was a very strong likelihood that passporting wouldn't be carried through and alternative arrangements would need to be made, especially as Frankfurt and Paris have had their eyes on part of the London cake for some time.darkhairedlord said:
we spent most of that four years not knowing what, if any, brexit we would get. So it's no wonder most businesses invested little in Brexit mitigation, especially with BJ telling everyone it would all be fine and no need for paperwork.rick_chasey said:TP ICAP shocked investors with a warning that the London broker is unable to service some European clients because of a delay in the completion of its new trading base in Europe.
In absence of a deal for financial services, the loss of passporting rights in Europe means that TP ICAP’s UK-based offices “no longer have the full scope of necessary regulatory permissions” to conduct some of its services on the continent, TP ICAP said in a statement.
It's a worrying example of Brexit stumbles throughout the City since the end of the transition period on New Year's Eve. While larger banks have spent years getting ready for possible disruptions by moving people to Europe, other firms are now clambering to find solutions. These include the booking of trades through entities on the continent, sending business to other colleagues in EU branches and relocating staff.
While TP ICAP partly blames the Covid-19 pandemic, citing “extraordinary circumstances” relating to the subsequent lockdowns, some have questioned why the company is scrambling to move staff to Europe more than four years after the Brexit vote.
Canaccord Genuity told clients that TP ICAP’s statement was “disappointing”, and that it will “take investors by surprise”.
I wonder if Michael Spencer still thinks his generous donations and public backing of BoJo were worth it.0 -
Brexit summed up in 11 words.
We want everything to change but that nothing will affect us.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/0 -
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yes, but there seemed to be a lot concern here about wine prices, so I thought news of possibility cheaper imports might help.Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.1 -
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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hard to keep up but isn't that a new deal rather than a rollover?TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
NZ has some very good wines -do we have a monetary value for the benefit0 -
Yes, I believe it is a new deal. Although, as you know with this government, Easter is a flexible deadline.surrey_commuter said:
hard to keep up but isn't that a new deal rather than a rollover?TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
NZ has some very good wines -do we have a monetary value for the benefit0 -
True, the cheaper NZ wine should balance out the alleged hikes in prices of French wines. Maybe we should focus on trade deals with 'new world' wine producing nations?TheBigBean said:
Yes, but there seemed to be a lot concern here about wine prices, so I thought news of possibility cheaper imports might help.Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
or concentrate on the sweet spot where they have to best quality meat and move heaven and earth to sign up Argentina and S. Africa.Stevo_666 said:
True, the cheaper NZ wine should balance out the alleged hikes in prices of French wines. Maybe we should focus on trade deals with 'new world' wine producing nations?TheBigBean said:
Yes, but there seemed to be a lot concern here about wine prices, so I thought news of possibility cheaper imports might help.Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
the Saffers have some very old vines from their period of isolation so we should certainly be looking there0 -
South Africa is already done, but perhaps it could be enhanced. Don't think Argentina is likely to happen any time soon. What about wine from Chile?surrey_commuter said:
or concentrate on the sweet spot where they have to best quality meat and move heaven and earth to sign up Argentina and S. Africa.Stevo_666 said:
True, the cheaper NZ wine should balance out the alleged hikes in prices of French wines. Maybe we should focus on trade deals with 'new world' wine producing nations?TheBigBean said:
Yes, but there seemed to be a lot concern here about wine prices, so I thought news of possibility cheaper imports might help.Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
the Saffers have some very old vines from their period of isolation so we should certainly be looking there0 -
Excellent, cheaper kebab meat...Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.0 -
I like Turkish delight as well.darkhairedlord said:
Excellent, cheaper kebab meat...Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
Although the link I posted above does refer to an £18bn trade partnership and benefits for the automotive, steel and manufacturing sectors.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
most of europe's washing machines, dishwashers and lower quality electricals gets made there IIRCStevo_666 said:
I like Turkish delight as well.darkhairedlord said:
Excellent, cheaper kebab meat...Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
Although the link I posted above does refer to an £18bn trade partnership and benefits for the automotive, steel and manufacturing sectors.0 -
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.0 -
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!0 -
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I know somebody who works for Conch y Toro so it can't get much cheaperTheBigBean said:
South Africa is already done, but perhaps it could be enhanced. Don't think Argentina is likely to happen any time soon. What about wine from Chile?surrey_commuter said:
or concentrate on the sweet spot where they have to best quality meat and move heaven and earth to sign up Argentina and S. Africa.Stevo_666 said:
True, the cheaper NZ wine should balance out the alleged hikes in prices of French wines. Maybe we should focus on trade deals with 'new world' wine producing nations?TheBigBean said:
Yes, but there seemed to be a lot concern here about wine prices, so I thought news of possibility cheaper imports might help.Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
the Saffers have some very old vines from their period of isolation so we should certainly be looking there0 -
I thought it was 65 and 63 were rolled over. That would suggest that making the rollovers bespoke so that there is an improvement will take decadesStevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!0 -
a lot of parts get made there that we could not get ROO fordarkhairedlord said:
most of europe's washing machines, dishwashers and lower quality electricals gets made there IIRCStevo_666 said:
I like Turkish delight as well.darkhairedlord said:
Excellent, cheaper kebab meat...Stevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
Although the link I posted above does refer to an £18bn trade partnership and benefits for the automotive, steel and manufacturing sectors.0 -
To be fair originally there was lots of chat around how difficult even rollovers would be to achieve. So I think it's only right they get a degree of credit for them.surrey_commuter said:
I thought it was 65 and 63 were rolled over. That would suggest that making the rollovers bespoke so that there is an improvement will take decadesStevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!
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I was taking my numbers from the link above on the Turkey deal. As to how many are based on the terms of existing agreements with the EU, I suppose it depends how good those deals were. Certainly it makes sense to cut and paste short term to get continuity and then work on improvements where we see fit.surrey_commuter said:
I thought it was 65 and 63 were rolled over. That would suggest that making the rollovers bespoke so that there is an improvement will take decadesStevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
but a rolled over trade deal can not be celebrated as a benefit of Brexit.Jezyboy said:
To be fair originally there was lots of chat around how difficult even rollovers would be to achieve. So I think it's only right they get a degree of credit for them.surrey_commuter said:
I thought it was 65 and 63 were rolled over. That would suggest that making the rollovers bespoke so that there is an improvement will take decadesStevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!0 -
It can't be that hard to improve minor things e.g. swapping wine for whisky. It really depends how bespoke the intention is; however, as there is an agreed starting position it should make things a lot easier.surrey_commuter said:
I thought it was 65 and 63 were rolled over. That would suggest that making the rollovers bespoke so that there is an improvement will take decadesStevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!0 -
They used to make a lot of denim in Turkey and medium priced clothes.0
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Anyway I stumbled over this list of upsides to Brexit named after DD's boast that there would be no downsides and only upsides to Brexit.
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-davis-downside-dossier/0 -
No specific concerns, but if no one read the EU deal, are we expecting anyone to read these?Stevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!0 -
Not sure, but you seemed to be raising a concern about these deals.darkhairedlord said:
No specific concerns, but if no one read the EU deal, are we expecting anyone to read these?Stevo_666 said:
True. What if any are your specific concerns regarding the deals done to date with the 62 countries?darkhairedlord said:
It depends upon what in the deal through.Stevo_666 said:
True, we'll need to see how this plays out in the long term. We've done trade agreements with 62 countries in the last 2 years (on top of the EU trade agreement). I think that represents pretty good progress so far.kingstongraham said:
Round of applause to those who stretched out the transition period to give them time to happen. #playingthelonggameStevo_666 said:
Another one that has flown under the radar a bit is the recently signed UK-Turkey trade deal.TheBigBean said:New Zealand trade deal on its way. Cheaper wine one way, cheaper cars and gin the other.
https://www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/
https://gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-turkey-sign-trade-deal
That's quite a few in total.
There is a big difference between a done deal, and a deal where we get done!"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
