BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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No. Just illustrating in terms you’d understand the new world / old world difference.Stevo_666 said:
If your point is that you reckon EU wines are a bit better than non EU wines and they might cost a couple of quid more, that's not really going to convince people that Brexit was a huge mistake.rick_chasey said:
You wouldn’t confuse a two seater Porsche with a big land rover.Stevo_666 said:
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
They’re both cars.
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any good?blazing_saddles said:david37 said:
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recently
I was given a bottle of this at Christmas.
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Not least because the quality of wines from around the world can be every bit as good and frequently better than the french muck.Stevo_666 said:
If your point is that you reckon EU wines are a bit better than non EU wines and they might cost a couple of quid more, that's not really going to convince people that Brexit was a huge mistake.rick_chasey said:
You wouldn’t confuse a two seater Porsche with a big land rover.Stevo_666 said:
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
They’re both cars.
large parts of good old blighty are proving consistently better at producing grapes of the best quality than the corresponding regions in France. Global warming isnt all down sides
Now if we could just work out how to turn large parts of the kent countryside from lorry park to vineyard even the remoaners might be happy. Although i suppose they would then feel solidarity with the french ex winemakers
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Not wishing to be seen as a direct dig, (it's not) but any suggestion that new world wines are on the whole inferior to old world is absolutely ridiculous. Sure i can understand you might have favourites but no one with an open mind can argue that Old is better than new.rick_chasey said:
No. Just illustrating in terms you’d understand the new world / old world difference.Stevo_666 said:
If your point is that you reckon EU wines are a bit better than non EU wines and they might cost a couple of quid more, that's not really going to convince people that Brexit was a huge mistake.rick_chasey said:
You wouldn’t confuse a two seater Porsche with a big land rover.Stevo_666 said:
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
They’re both cars.
In fact thats part of the "old world's" wine industrys challenge. they have vicious competition at all levels. I cant see that easing because theyre now more expensive.0 -
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I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.0
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A friend owns a vineyard down there.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
It’s...patchy. Some of if very drinkable, some really not.0 -
I have doubts about that. The EU are very strong on regionality in that champagne has to come from that region. Might as well be Cava or Prosecco otherwise.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
English sparkling innit.pblakeney said:
I have doubts about that. The EU are very strong on regionality in that champagne has to come from that region. Might as well be Cava or Prosecco otherwise.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
I have noticed plenty of people have picked up on Crémant variations which can be better value.0 -
Yeah but champagne was specifically mentioned. FWIW, it's a long time since I bought a champagne as I find it to be overpriced for what it is.rick_chasey said:
English sparkling innit.pblakeney said:
I have doubts about that. The EU are very strong on regionality in that champagne has to come from that region. Might as well be Cava or Prosecco otherwise.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
I have noticed plenty of people have picked up on Crémant variations which can be better value.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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I bet you’re fun at celebrations hahapblakeney said:
Yeah but champagne was specifically mentioned. FWIW, it's a long time since I bought a champagne as I find it to be overpriced for what it is.rick_chasey said:
English sparkling innit.pblakeney said:
I have doubts about that. The EU are very strong on regionality in that champagne has to come from that region. Might as well be Cava or Prosecco otherwise.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
I have noticed plenty of people have picked up on Crémant variations which can be better value.
“Congrats, I didn’t get champagne as it’s overpriced”0 -
When New World wines first began to make an impact in this country, they struggled with pricing.Stevo_666 said:
Why surely? Supply and demand and all that should see the demand for EU wines go down if the price goes up. If that increases sales of non EU wines then prices would only go up if supply can't meet demand. I'm not convinced that the global wine industry will struggle with a few more UK orders if EU wines are as superior as some of you say.blazing_saddles said:If EU wines go up in price, New World wines will surely follow.
Supply and demand and all that.
There are a few wines I drink from certain parts of France and Italy that have nothing comparable coming from the NW.
Quality was consistently good the great though. The result was that the wines sold very well in certain circles, but as demand grew, the supermarkets became the major player.
As mentioned up thread, getting the average Brit to part with more than 6 quid (back then it was significantly less) for an everyday bottle of plonk was nigh on impossible.
So it quickly became a question of price or quality.
The result was, certainly in terms of the bigger Aussie producers, a noticeable drop in quality.
For New Zealand wines it's been even more difficult to balance reasonable quality with modest pricing.
The bottom line is that if demand goes up and they can't supply, the price will inevitably go up: If they aim to supply, then the quality will suffer.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
It's supposed to be but I haven't drunk it yet,david37 said:
any good?blazing_saddles said:david37 said:
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recently
I was given a bottle of this at Christmas.
Retails at about £12 - £14 which I assume for a Bulgarian wine is towards their higher end, although it's an area I know next to nothing about.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Who the hell flagged that?david37 said:
Not least because the quality of wines from around the world can be every bit as good and frequently better than the french muck.Stevo_666 said:
If your point is that you reckon EU wines are a bit better than non EU wines and they might cost a couple of quid more, that's not really going to convince people that Brexit was a huge mistake.rick_chasey said:
You wouldn’t confuse a two seater Porsche with a big land rover.Stevo_666 said:
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
They’re both cars.
large parts of good old blighty are proving consistently better at producing grapes of the best quality than the corresponding regions in France. Global warming isnt all down sides
Now if we could just work out how to turn large parts of the kent countryside from lorry park to vineyard even the remoaners might be happy. Although i suppose they would then feel solidarity with the french ex winemakers
Come on, it just makes a mockery of what it's actually designed for. The mods will just think you are wasting their time. If you don't like a post just ignore it, it's not difficult.
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We have had our Champagne/Brexit experience in my family.rick_chasey said:
English sparkling innit.pblakeney said:
I have doubts about that. The EU are very strong on regionality in that champagne has to come from that region. Might as well be Cava or Prosecco otherwise.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
I have noticed plenty of people have picked up on Crémant variations which can be better value.
For almost 30 years, my brother in law sold and distributed his friend's Premier Cru brew. Not a huge concern, but amounting to a couple of thousand cases a year.
All that stopped on January 1st."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Depends on the occasion. If it's for someone pretentious then I'll get champagne. If it's commemorative then I'll get champagne. If it's for drinking I'll get sparkling wine.rick_chasey said:
I bet you’re fun at celebrations hahapblakeney said:
Yeah but champagne was specifically mentioned. FWIW, it's a long time since I bought a champagne as I find it to be overpriced for what it is.rick_chasey said:
English sparkling innit.pblakeney said:
I have doubts about that. The EU are very strong on regionality in that champagne has to come from that region. Might as well be Cava or Prosecco otherwise.elbowloh said:I've often heard about UK sparkling wines beating french in blind taste tests and that champagne houses had bought loads of land in the south of England because of its chalky soil and increasing temperatures due to climate change.
I have noticed plenty of people have picked up on Crémant variations which can be better value.
“Congrats, I didn’t get champagne as it’s overpriced”The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
We had prosecco at out wedding because my wife prefers it. I had no objection as it saved us £100s of pounds!1
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That makes more sense.elbowloh said:
Branching out instead of moving supply.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Probably a better investment to buy land in Kent and put lorry parks on it
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The Brexit arguments seem to have come a long way from the forecasts of food shortages and civil unrest, to the current situation where some people are concerned they may have to pay a bit more for their favourite fancy European wine....TheBigBean said:Results of blind testing for wine tasting are amusing. I quite like the one that involved a "red" and a white and no one notice they were actually the same wine.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
To be fair, clamp someone's nose and they can't tell the difference in taste between an apple, an onion and a potato.Stevo_666 said:
The Brexit arguments seem to have come a long way from the forecasts of food shortages and civil unrest, to the current situation where some people are concerned they may have to pay a bit more for their favourite fancy European wine....TheBigBean said:Results of blind testing for wine tasting are amusing. I quite like the one that involved a "red" and a white and no one notice they were actually the same wine.
There's a lot of bullshit/snobbery around taste I reckon.0 -
I haven't tasted a bad wine in a long time. Veg is the same, now through modern more scientific methods the quality standard is much more consistent. Potato's used to be flowery, spouts could taste horrible, frozen peas no flavour...elbowloh said:
To be fair, clamp someone's nose and they can't tell the difference in taste between an apple, an onion and a potato.Stevo_666 said:
The Brexit arguments seem to have come a long way from the forecasts of food shortages and civil unrest, to the current situation where some people are concerned they may have to pay a bit more for their favourite fancy European wine....TheBigBean said:Results of blind testing for wine tasting are amusing. I quite like the one that involved a "red" and a white and no one notice they were actually the same wine.
There's a lot of bullshit/snobbery around taste I reckon.0 -
There's this too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9151005/Brexit-chaos-fuels-fresh-food-crisis.html
Maybe that's why I didn't get a cauliflower this morning.0 -
It does look unfair on Thatcher with hindsight, all see did was snatch some milk.0
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Looks to me that cauliflower should have been okay. 😉kingstongraham said:There's this too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9151005/Brexit-chaos-fuels-fresh-food-crisis.html
Maybe that's why I didn't get a cauliflower this morning.
Maybe those wanting broccoli and asparagus will have to change their menus.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
kingstongraham said:
There's this too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9151005/Brexit-chaos-fuels-fresh-food-crisis.html
Maybe that's why I didn't get a cauliflower this morning.
Brexit will have achieved one positive thing if it recalibrates shoppers' food-buying habits to what's in season from local sources. OK, one might get tired of turnips and swedes by spring, but, at the risk of sounding like a pot-smoking hippie, I think that, as a society we've lost touch with the seasons and what can be grown locally.
I didn't get a cauliflower this week either. Mostly because I dont like cauliflower.1 -
True, this thread has demonstrated that point quite recentlyelbowloh said:
There's a lot of bullshit/snobbery around taste I reckon.Stevo_666 said:
The Brexit arguments seem to have come a long way from the forecasts of food shortages and civil unrest, to the current situation where some people are concerned they may have to pay a bit more for their favourite fancy European wine....TheBigBean said:Results of blind testing for wine tasting are amusing. I quite like the one that involved a "red" and a white and no one notice they were actually the same wine.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
yes it is.kingstongraham said:
Isn't Bulgaria kind of in the EU?david37 said:
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recentlykingstongraham said:
any you would particularly recommend? Serbia? Moldova?david37 said:yup and the old eastern bloc wines are interesting too.
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