BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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If EU wines go up in price, New World wines will surely follow.
Supply and demand and all that.
There are a few wines I drink from certain parts of France and Italy that have nothing comparable coming from the NW."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Liqueur de dosage, (sugary top up) what are these artificial flavourings of which you speak?darkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
(I'd pick the Brexitland fizz from that list btw)"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
kingstongraham said:
any you would particularly recommend? Serbia? Moldova?</blockquotedavid37 said:yup and the old eastern bloc wines are interesting too.
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recently0 -
david37 said:
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recently
I was given a bottle of this at Christmas.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I'm a remoaner but recognise we are where we are.surrey_commuter said:
I really have no idea who is joking any moredarkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:0 -
The only thing that distinguishes one champagne from another is the man that rolls in from Paris with his bottles of flavouring. Each house has their own, like perfume...blazing_saddles said:
Liqueur de dosage, (sugary top up) what are these artificial flavourings of which you speak?darkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
(I'd pick the Brexitland fizz from that list btw)0 -
I'm not a wine buff/snob so quite happy with New World choices. If you are then you shouldn't mind paying a bit more for quality (as you perceive it).surrey_commuter said:
I am on a mission to drink less but better, using Puligny-Montrachet as a benchmark can you suggest some new world wines that have the depth and complexityStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Isn't Bulgaria kind of in the EU?david37 said:
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recentlykingstongraham said:
any you would particularly recommend? Serbia? Moldova?david37 said:yup and the old eastern bloc wines are interesting too.
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Plonk = slang for wine, didn't mean to make inferences about price. I just buy what I like.pinkbikini said:
I always thought ‘plonk’ was inferior cheap wine. Our Waitrose definitely doesn’t stock NZ plonk - it’s all quite pricey (and very good).Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
If you ever shop at Majestic I would really recommend this - purchased 12 bottles at Xmas, it didn’t last long. Goes really well with any spicy food (we cook a lot of Indian, Thai and Japanese dishes)...hope this doesn’t break any advertising rules by the BikeRadar mod cunts
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I always assumed it was like Burgundy and Bordeaux where you can not even water the vines. Do you have a source for this?darkhairedlord said:
The only thing that distinguishes one champagne from another is the man that rolls in from Paris with his bottles of flavouring. Each house has their own, like perfume...blazing_saddles said:
Liqueur de dosage, (sugary top up) what are these artificial flavourings of which you speak?darkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
(I'd pick the Brexitland fizz from that list btw)0 -
For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
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Documentary a few years ago. They showed the crystal champagne production where, if they are short, will just buy in from the cooperative and stick it in their own bottles. Same with many of the other big houses. One big scam which the French keep quiet, thats why you don't find ingredients on the label.surrey_commuter said:
I always assumed it was like Burgundy and Bordeaux where you can not even water the vines. Do you have a source for this?darkhairedlord said:
The only thing that distinguishes one champagne from another is the man that rolls in from Paris with his bottles of flavouring. Each house has their own, like perfume...blazing_saddles said:
Liqueur de dosage, (sugary top up) what are these artificial flavourings of which you speak?darkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
(I'd pick the Brexitland fizz from that list btw)0 -
Only for the non vintage stuff.darkhairedlord said:
Documentary a few years ago. They showed the crystal champagne production where, if they are short, will just buy in from the cooperative and stick it in their own bottles. Same with many of the other big houses. One big scam which the French keep quiet, thats why you don't find ingredients on the label.surrey_commuter said:
I always assumed it was like Burgundy and Bordeaux where you can not even water the vines. Do you have a source for this?darkhairedlord said:
The only thing that distinguishes one champagne from another is the man that rolls in from Paris with his bottles of flavouring. Each house has their own, like perfume...blazing_saddles said:
Liqueur de dosage, (sugary top up) what are these artificial flavourings of which you speak?darkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
(I'd pick the Brexitland fizz from that list btw)0 -
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Often the booze is the margin.
That’s why for a lot of places it doesn’t make sense doing take out0 -
Yeah. I got that. Standard mark up is 4x. But 13x? Scandalous.rick_chasey said:Often the booze is the margin.
That’s why for a lot of places it doesn’t make sense doing take out
The food ain't exactly cheap either. 😉 Eaten there many times.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.1 -
That's where the dosage comes in.darkhairedlord said:
Documentary a few years ago. They showed the crystal champagne production where, if they are short, will just buy in from the cooperative and stick it in their own bottles. Same with many of the other big houses. One big scam which the French keep quiet, thats why you don't find ingredients on the label.surrey_commuter said:
I always assumed it was like Burgundy and Bordeaux where you can not even water the vines. Do you have a source for this?darkhairedlord said:
The only thing that distinguishes one champagne from another is the man that rolls in from Paris with his bottles of flavouring. Each house has their own, like perfume...blazing_saddles said:
Liqueur de dosage, (sugary top up) what are these artificial flavourings of which you speak?darkhairedlord said:
Yup, after the French got stroppy over fishing I opted for a range of sparking wines from around the world. English, Spanish, Italian, South African, Australian, NZ. All good and probably fewer artificial flavourings than the champagne.Stevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
(I'd pick the Brexitland fizz from that list btw)
Most of the big producers have to buy in the majority of the grapes they need.
That's not what most folks would take to be flavouring though is it?
Unless you meant Chardonnay, Pinots Noir and Meunier flavour."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I try not to drink anything in a pub that I could drink at home.surrey_commuter said:
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.
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The New World part was already applied. 😉 Going to the offie doesn't allow you to enjoy the wine with the meal. I get whisky for at home, not girly wine. 😉surrey_commuter said:
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You wouldn’t confuse a two seater Porsche with a big land rover.Stevo_666 said:
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
They’re both cars.0 -
Might just be me but wine on its own isn’t that exciting.surrey_commuter said:
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.
With the right food and they’re both elevated.0 -
Why surely? Supply and demand and all that should see the demand for EU wines go down if the price goes up. If that increases sales of non EU wines then prices would only go up if supply can't meet demand. I'm not convinced that the global wine industry will struggle with a few more UK orders if EU wines are as superior as some of you say.blazing_saddles said:If EU wines go up in price, New World wines will surely follow.
Supply and demand and all that.
There are a few wines I drink from certain parts of France and Italy that have nothing comparable coming from the NW."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If your point is that you reckon EU wines are a bit better than non EU wines and they might cost a couple of quid more, that's not really going to convince people that Brexit was a huge mistake.rick_chasey said:
You wouldn’t confuse a two seater Porsche with a big land rover.Stevo_666 said:
All wine. See my comment to SC above.rick_chasey said:
New world / old world wines - different productsStevo_666 said:
Presumably no change in prices of wines from the rest of the world outside the EU? I'm sure consumers can take their pick as I did in Waitrose today - there is some good SA and NZ plonk in my fridge now.rick_chasey said:
They’re both cars."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Also, China has imposed 212% tariffs on Australian wine, so there will be a lot on the market.0
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Results of blind testing for wine tasting are amusing. I quite like the one that involved a "red" and a white and no one notice they were actually the same wine.0
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rick_chasey said:
Might just be me but wine on its own isn’t that exciting.surrey_commuter said:
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.
With the right food and they’re both elevated.rick_chasey said:
Might just be me but wine on its own isn’t that exciting.surrey_commuter said:
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.
With the right food and they’re both elevated.
Double your budget (buy one less bottle) and see what you thinkrick_chasey said:
Might just be me but wine on its own isn’t that exciting.surrey_commuter said:
Here is a tip that I was taught.pblakeney said:
Since we are off topic, an anecdote about wine and restaurants (remember them?).rick_chasey said:For the lads using majestic - check out your local merchants.
Usually same pricing and more interesting stuff.
Have become a big convert of Cambridge Wine Merchants.
Our new favourite local restaurant told us that they were happy to sell us our choice of wine for £24 for the bottle as the wine merchant (there must be a better phrase for business wine merchants?) at their previous location would not supply them with that label.
Why?
There was a Michelin starred restaurant next door charging £80 a bottle for the same and they got the merchant to block all others.
Something to think about when buying a "decent" bottle of plonk at a restaurant, and I am under no illusion that "our" restaurant didn't have a healthy mark-up.
I'm guessing they got it for around £6 so £80 is some mark-up!
In the restaurant buy the new world blended stuff that will be consistent.
Then take your £24 and spend it in the offie on one bottle.
Nobody blinks at spending £20 on a round of drinks yet we are hard wired to spend £6 on bottle of wine.
With the right food and they’re both elevated.
When Waitrose has a deal he has 25% off everything which includes things not normally discounted0 -
You lot with your fancy Dan wine talk.
Drink for home - beer
Drink with a meal - beer
Drink in the pub - beer.0
