BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Thanks for the reply.jimmyjams said:
Your bottle is not 'high end', based on price, it just makes out it of the lower-priced 20% of Bulgarian wines I've seen (reds, and 0.75 bottles). It only costs about 6 Euro on the Continent.blazing_saddles said:
It's supposed to be but I haven't drunk it yet,david37 said:
any good?blazing_saddles said:
I was given a bottle of this at Christmas.david37 said:
Ive had some interesting bulgarian wines recently
Retails at about £12 - £14 which I assume for a Bulgarian wine is towards their higher end, although it's an area I know next to nothing about.
Sorry if this disappoints, however it doesn't mean the wine is poor quality or won't be enjoyable.
The same wine cellar (Edoardo Miroglio) do a wine called Soli Invicto, comprising a slightly different grape blend from vines grown on a different soil type; it has a higher alcohol content (14.5% as against 13%) and it costs around 4-5 times more than your Soli (and even then, it isn't the dearest Bulgarian wine one can find).
For those looking for quality wines from non-EU Europe, if you are happy to give out £12 a bottle upwards, I'd suggest wines from Georgia (the 'Back in the USSR' one) – about a dozen years ago my employer sent to me work there for a short while, and I was very impressed with the wine and the food.
The last bottle of Bulgarian wine I drank was not long after the wall came down. Suhindol Cab Sauv was sold everywhere at a couple of quid a bottle."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
Have you not noticed that their problem was not our membership it is the very existence of the EU.focuszing723 said:It's fine for people to be positive towards our Country, but when you start getting silly rejoicing in the breakup of a European Union. Which was created to maintain peace off the backdrop of two world wars. Surely you are either trolling or just not well versed in history.
"How dare those meanies gang up and usurp our special status in the world..."0 -
Scotland is not going anywhere unless they want to look like the cast of trainspotting.elbowloh said:
I'd put more money on the EU still being together in 5 years time than the UK still including Scotland.david37 said:
well it seems the EU is already missing us. Apparently they miss the British sense of humour. but there may not be an EU to rejoin WHOOOOOP WHOOOOOOOPStevo_666 said:
Good luck. How do you rate your chances?rick_chasey said:
Why? I want to make a case for joining the single market in 4 years time.Stevo_666 said:
Quite possibly. But its a bit late now as I've said many times. Best get on with it rather than moaning...rick_chasey said:
Everything on its own is minor. In aggregate it is material.Stevo_666 said:
In answer to your last paragraph, the key question is whether the global wine industry will struggle to meet a moderate increase in UK demand. I doubt it.blazing_saddles said:
When New World wines first began to make an impact in this country, they struggled with pricing.Stevo_666 said:
Why surely? Supply and demand and all that should see the demand for EU wines go down if the price goes up. If that increases sales of non EU wines then prices would only go up if supply can't meet demand. I'm not convinced that the global wine industry will struggle with a few more UK orders if EU wines are as superior as some of you say.blazing_saddles said:If EU wines go up in price, New World wines will surely follow.
Supply and demand and all that.
There are a few wines I drink from certain parts of France and Italy that have nothing comparable coming from the NW.
Quality was consistently good the great though. The result was that the wines sold very well in certain circles, but as demand grew, the supermarkets became the major player.
As mentioned up thread, getting the average Brit to part with more than 6 quid (back then it was significantly less) for an everyday bottle of plonk was nigh on impossible.
So it quickly became a question of price or quality.
The result was, certainly in terms of the bigger Aussie producers, a noticeable drop in quality.
For New Zealand wines it's been even more difficult to balance reasonable quality with modest pricing.
The bottom line is that if demand goes up and they can't supply, the price will inevitably go up: If they aim to supply, then the quality will suffer.
Although let's be honest, in the context of Brexit this really is a minor issue.
And you think I’m not optimistic lol0 -
Nothing is impossible, but it's highly unlikely. How likely is it that say France and Germany might go to war these days?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Given that was its purpose, surely its job is now done?focuszing723 said:It's fine for people to be positive towards our Country, but when you start getting silly rejoicing in the breakup of a European Union. Which was created to maintain peace off the backdrop of two world wars. Surely you are either trolling or just not well versed in history.
So you think it's impossible for a return to any sort of conflict in Europe, even if the EU disappeared?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The cast of train spotting have pretty much all done very well for themselves.john80 said:
Scotland is not going anywhere unless they want to look like the cast of trainspotting.elbowloh said:
I'd put more money on the EU still being together in 5 years time than the UK still including Scotland.david37 said:
well it seems the EU is already missing us. Apparently they miss the British sense of humour. but there may not be an EU to rejoin WHOOOOOP WHOOOOOOOPStevo_666 said:
Good luck. How do you rate your chances?rick_chasey said:
Why? I want to make a case for joining the single market in 4 years time.Stevo_666 said:
Quite possibly. But its a bit late now as I've said many times. Best get on with it rather than moaning...rick_chasey said:
Everything on its own is minor. In aggregate it is material.Stevo_666 said:
In answer to your last paragraph, the key question is whether the global wine industry will struggle to meet a moderate increase in UK demand. I doubt it.blazing_saddles said:
When New World wines first began to make an impact in this country, they struggled with pricing.Stevo_666 said:
Why surely? Supply and demand and all that should see the demand for EU wines go down if the price goes up. If that increases sales of non EU wines then prices would only go up if supply can't meet demand. I'm not convinced that the global wine industry will struggle with a few more UK orders if EU wines are as superior as some of you say.blazing_saddles said:If EU wines go up in price, New World wines will surely follow.
Supply and demand and all that.
There are a few wines I drink from certain parts of France and Italy that have nothing comparable coming from the NW.
Quality was consistently good the great though. The result was that the wines sold very well in certain circles, but as demand grew, the supermarkets became the major player.
As mentioned up thread, getting the average Brit to part with more than 6 quid (back then it was significantly less) for an everyday bottle of plonk was nigh on impossible.
So it quickly became a question of price or quality.
The result was, certainly in terms of the bigger Aussie producers, a noticeable drop in quality.
For New Zealand wines it's been even more difficult to balance reasonable quality with modest pricing.
The bottom line is that if demand goes up and they can't supply, the price will inevitably go up: If they aim to supply, then the quality will suffer.
Although let's be honest, in the context of Brexit this really is a minor issue.
And you think I’m not optimistic lol0 -
It does in theory. How far did that one get recently?rick_chasey said:
Satisfies the result of the referendum. Minimises trade friction. Win win.Stevo_666 said:Rejoining the ne single market means effectively rejoining the EU. Not convinced that one will fly.
Here a reminder of what it looked like before we left:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It does in practice too. Look at Norway.Stevo_666 said:
It does in theory. How far did that one get recently?rick_chasey said:
Satisfies the result of the referendum. Minimises trade friction. Win win.Stevo_666 said:Rejoining the ne single market means effectively rejoining the EU. Not convinced that one will fly.
Here a reminder of what it looked like before we left:0 -
It was an option for the UK during the exit negotiations: how far did that one get? Remember that the 4 freedoms include freedom of movement which is not exactly a vote winner. And how many other concessions will the EU want to rejoin? Usually new entrants are required to adopt the Euro....rick_chasey said:
It does in practice too. Look at Norway.Stevo_666 said:
It does in theory. How far did that one get recently?rick_chasey said:
Satisfies the result of the referendum. Minimises trade friction. Win win.Stevo_666 said:Rejoining the ne single market means effectively rejoining the EU. Not convinced that one will fly.
Here a reminder of what it looked like before we left:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sure.
Look Stevo, things change.
No point being stuck in the past. Time to seize the opportunities given. Trade deal is up for renegotiation.
You yourself apparently voted remain for the reasons that being being part of the SM would meet, so I don’t know why it is quite such an anathema to you.0 -
I think you need to look at exactly what is feasible in 4 years. Just because the trade deal is up for renegotiation does not necessarily mean the rejoining the EU in most material respects is. Certainly not without a referendum.rick_chasey said:Sure.
Look Stevo, things change.
No point being stuck in the past. Time to seize the opportunities given. Trade deal is up for renegotiation.
You yourself apparently voted remain for the reasons that being being part of the SM would meet, so I don’t know why it is quite such an anathema to you.
Also I think you're being hasty. Give this time to see how it works - say a similar time scale to what the UK spent as an EU member? You'll still be alive."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sure it’s not likely but you gotta do what you think is right, right?
I don’t particularly think the LDs are doing great things and I don’t think labour are near enough to me politically but this is something that fires me up so I might as well find a way to help move in that direction.
It’s early days but it’ll eventually become clear where the pressure will come from for if and I’ll see how I can help.
I did it for remain.0 -
It's up to the EU too. I don't think they would want the other 27 Countries messing about seeing if it works for them every five years.
It is damn complicated.0 -
How long would it take them to completely destroy each other with the advancement in arms? Given it is likely to be less than a week should tell you that it is not going to happen.Stevo_666 said:
Nothing is impossible, but it's highly unlikely. How likely is it that say France and Germany might go to war these days?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Given that was its purpose, surely its job is now done?focuszing723 said:It's fine for people to be positive towards our Country, but when you start getting silly rejoicing in the breakup of a European Union. Which was created to maintain peace off the backdrop of two world wars. Surely you are either trolling or just not well versed in history.
So you think it's impossible for a return to any sort of conflict in Europe, even if the EU disappeared?0 -
john80 said:
How long would it take them to completely destroy each other with the advancement in arms? Given it is likely to be less than a week should tell you that it is not going to happen.Stevo_666 said:
Nothing is impossible, but it's highly unlikely. How likely is it that say France and Germany might go to war these days?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Given that was its purpose, surely its job is now done?focuszing723 said:It's fine for people to be positive towards our Country, but when you start getting silly rejoicing in the breakup of a European Union. Which was created to maintain peace off the backdrop of two world wars. Surely you are either trolling or just not well versed in history.
So you think it's impossible for a return to any sort of conflict in Europe, even if the EU disappeared?
Having been to Serbia in 2015, with the recent marks of a brutal war still very much in evidence, you'll have to excuse me if I don't share the blithe "it's not going to happen" assurance. They didn't think it would happen either. I'd agree that it's rather unlikely between France and Germany, but there are enough tensions elsewhere ready to be exploited by the next populist/fascist.1 -
the problem is that for the large part they might as well be.john80 said:
Scotland is not going anywhere unless they want to look like the cast of trainspotting.elbowloh said:
I'd put more money on the EU still being together in 5 years time than the UK still including Scotland.david37 said:
well it seems the EU is already missing us. Apparently they miss the British sense of humour. but there may not be an EU to rejoin WHOOOOOP WHOOOOOOOPStevo_666 said:
Good luck. How do you rate your chances?rick_chasey said:
Why? I want to make a case for joining the single market in 4 years time.Stevo_666 said:
Quite possibly. But its a bit late now as I've said many times. Best get on with it rather than moaning...rick_chasey said:
Everything on its own is minor. In aggregate it is material.Stevo_666 said:
In answer to your last paragraph, the key question is whether the global wine industry will struggle to meet a moderate increase in UK demand. I doubt it.blazing_saddles said:
When New World wines first began to make an impact in this country, they struggled with pricing.Stevo_666 said:
Why surely? Supply and demand and all that should see the demand for EU wines go down if the price goes up. If that increases sales of non EU wines then prices would only go up if supply can't meet demand. I'm not convinced that the global wine industry will struggle with a few more UK orders if EU wines are as superior as some of you say.blazing_saddles said:If EU wines go up in price, New World wines will surely follow.
Supply and demand and all that.
There are a few wines I drink from certain parts of France and Italy that have nothing comparable coming from the NW.
Quality was consistently good the great though. The result was that the wines sold very well in certain circles, but as demand grew, the supermarkets became the major player.
As mentioned up thread, getting the average Brit to part with more than 6 quid (back then it was significantly less) for an everyday bottle of plonk was nigh on impossible.
So it quickly became a question of price or quality.
The result was, certainly in terms of the bigger Aussie producers, a noticeable drop in quality.
For New Zealand wines it's been even more difficult to balance reasonable quality with modest pricing.
The bottom line is that if demand goes up and they can't supply, the price will inevitably go up: If they aim to supply, then the quality will suffer.
Although let's be honest, in the context of Brexit this really is a minor issue.
And you think I’m not optimistic lol0 -
How did you do?rick_chasey said:Sure it’s not likely but you gotta do what you think is right, right?
I don’t particularly think the LDs are doing great things and I don’t think labour are near enough to me politically but this is something that fires me up so I might as well find a way to help move in that direction.
It’s early days but it’ll eventually become clear where the pressure will come from for if and I’ll see how I can help.
I did it for remain.0 -
No difference between France, Germany and Serbia. I mean Serbia is practically a super power with its rifles and tanks.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
How long would it take them to completely destroy each other with the advancement in arms? Given it is likely to be less than a week should tell you that it is not going to happen.Stevo_666 said:
Nothing is impossible, but it's highly unlikely. How likely is it that say France and Germany might go to war these days?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Given that was its purpose, surely its job is now done?focuszing723 said:It's fine for people to be positive towards our Country, but when you start getting silly rejoicing in the breakup of a European Union. Which was created to maintain peace off the backdrop of two world wars. Surely you are either trolling or just not well versed in history.
So you think it's impossible for a return to any sort of conflict in Europe, even if the EU disappeared?
Having been to Serbia in 2015, with the recent marks of a brutal war still very much in evidence, you'll have to excuse me if I don't share the blithe "it's not going to happen" assurance. They didn't think it would happen either. I'd agree that it's rather unlikely between France and Germany, but there are enough tensions elsewhere ready to be exploited by the next populist/fascist.0 -
Yugoslavia had a substantial amount of rifles and tanks in 1991.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Wouldn't put it past the likes of Orban to start something.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The Yugoslavia of half a dozen regions with cultural and religious differences being artificially held together? That Yugoslavia?pblakeney said:Yugoslavia had a substantial amount of rifles and tanks in 1991.
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So they keep the huge EU monolith going just in case some small corner of Europe decides to have a fight? Sledgehammers and nuts maybe. Although ironically a lot of the current populism in Europe has arisen because those countries are in the EU - so there is an obvious potential solution to that...briantrumpet said:john80 said:
How long would it take them to completely destroy each other with the advancement in arms? Given it is likely to be less than a week should tell you that it is not going to happen.Stevo_666 said:
Nothing is impossible, but it's highly unlikely. How likely is it that say France and Germany might go to war these days?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Given that was its purpose, surely its job is now done?focuszing723 said:It's fine for people to be positive towards our Country, but when you start getting silly rejoicing in the breakup of a European Union. Which was created to maintain peace off the backdrop of two world wars. Surely you are either trolling or just not well versed in history.
So you think it's impossible for a return to any sort of conflict in Europe, even if the EU disappeared?
Having been to Serbia in 2015, with the recent marks of a brutal war still very much in evidence, you'll have to excuse me if I don't share the blithe "it's not going to happen" assurance. They didn't think it would happen either. I'd agree that it's rather unlikely between France and Germany, but there are enough tensions elsewhere ready to be exploited by the next populist/fascist."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
True, I don't doubt it's something you feel strongly about so go for it, heart and soul. And if it gives you less time to post on here it could be a win-win scenariorick_chasey said:Sure it’s not likely but you gotta do what you think is right, right?
I don’t particularly think the LDs are doing great things and I don’t think labour are near enough to me politically but this is something that fires me up so I might as well find a way to help move in that direction.
It’s early days but it’ll eventually become clear where the pressure will come from for if and I’ll see how I can help.
I did it for remain.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Much like that EU?ballysmate said:
The Yugoslavia of half a dozen regions with cultural and religious differences being artificially held together? That Yugoslavia?pblakeney said:Yugoslavia had a substantial amount of rifles and tanks in 1991.
Better is stays together, no?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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It really is up to them isn't it? Nowt do with us now.pblakeney said:
Much like that EU?ballysmate said:
The Yugoslavia of half a dozen regions with cultural and religious differences being artificially held together? That Yugoslavia?pblakeney said:Yugoslavia had a substantial amount of rifles and tanks in 1991.
Better is stays together, no?
Have been away from here for a little while and it really is unbelievable that people have gone back to spouting "the EU has been responsible for peace in Europe" bollox again.
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ballysmate said:
"the EU has been responsible for peace in Europe" bollox again.
Come on, substantiate that claim. How is that bollocks?0 -
I agree with you that Yugoslavia is another example of failed federalism, and a bad example to use in favour of the EU.ballysmate said:
It really is up to them isn't it? Nowt do with us now.pblakeney said:
Much like that EU?ballysmate said:
The Yugoslavia of half a dozen regions with cultural and religious differences being artificially held together? That Yugoslavia?pblakeney said:Yugoslavia had a substantial amount of rifles and tanks in 1991.
Better is stays together, no?
Have been away from here for a little while and it really is unbelievable that people have gone back to spouting "the EU has been responsible for peace in Europe" bollox again.
One important thing to understand though is that it doesn't matter whether the EU has been responsible for peace in Europe, but that a lot of people in continental Europe believe it has, and therefore are big fans of the EU.
Generally speaking, looking around the world, there are a lot of countries that were involved in world war 2, are not part of a union and yet are still peaceful.
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The idea that somehow having a union which works on the premise of grinding compromise in order to keep trading with each other in what was otherwise a bellicose continent has not contributed to peace seems bizarre.
It's certainly not the only reason by any stretch but it is mad to see it the other way.0 -
I look forward to the arguments that the idea of the United States of America has had its day, has served its purpose, and might as well be wound up.0
