BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Either the guy making the decisions in Shimano has a fancy woman in wherever this central EU hub is located or more likely when we were in the EU it was the most cost effective way of distributing their products to the entirety of the EU including the UK market. Either the additional Brexit paperwork will make direct UK import better or it won't as they have to balance off warehousing in the UK. The point is the trading relationship has changed and companies will have to make a decision in their best interests. I for one would be happy to take on the role of main UK distributor for shimano as I am sure would many others in the cycling industry for a small cut of the action. So in summary it might cost a bit more for a consumer but we might get another few jobs out of it.surrey_commuter said:
That was poorly written on my part.john80 said:
Others have claimed they don't hence the price increase claims. If they already directly import then nothing has changed. Tariffs are the same and paperwork from the far East is the same. I am not the one claiming that it is all ported to a EU country and then distributed from there. Ddraver is.surrey_commuter said:
Why do you think Shimano do not do that?john80 said:
I am not convinced by the arguments. If I was Shimano I would be importing direct to the UK from the far east as it would save me cash over the assumed current model that it all comes into a EU central hub and is distributed from there. The UK market is big enough to support this. I would not just increase prices in the hope that say SRAM don't do this. The generic argument still stands that businesses will look at market change and aim to raise prices as much as possible without harming sales unduly.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst not important it is something we know more about, collectively, than any other retail market. Why do you not think it will be the same for many other products?john80 said:
They might do. We will see. We are essentially arguing about something that is not very important in the grand scheme of things.elbowloh said:
There's a reason why they all have their groupsets aimed at similar brackets of riders and similar price points. If Shimanos price went up £400, I think the only thing that would happen with Campag and SRAM is a price increase also.john80 said:
If the groupset cost £1600 pre brexit and this then gets priced up to £2000 post brexit there is a £400 gap for a competitor to come into. If the competition all collude and accept the price is £2000 then you are right. If one breaks then they will increase their market share. The overall market will shrink at the £2000 but again this will be on a curve where sales and price will have an optimum profit which is a second factor. Your focus on how Britain is viewed around the world says more about you than me. Businesses don't generally care about the personal beliefs of the customer. They care that they want to buy something and have the money generally. Shimano will do what is best for their business bottom line.ddraver said:
Its hard not to use the word deluded to describe your impressions of how GB is viewed around the world right now...john80 said:
Shimano to take your case in point should pivot to either supplying complete items or assembling far east components in the UK to sell in the UK market. It is a opportunity in as much as it is a problem. The loss would be the EUs problem unless there is no competition indefinitely which will not be the case.yorkshireraw said:
name some none EU suppliers - and don't say Shimano as they assemble stuff in the EU.john80 said:
Non EU suppliers will do a roaring trade at the detriment to EU suppliers.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.
Why on earth would Shimano (or Campag or SRAM) do that?
If none of them do it, prices go up, the only people who lose out is us
To put this in perspective Yanmar manufacturing yacht engines have a UK distributor on much smaller albeit higher unit costs for what is a very small market. I can't buy an engine direct from Yanmar. I bought an engineer from a UK company as they import a Kubota base engine into the UK and marinise it for a significantly cheaper cost as I essentially cut out a layer of distribution that Yanmar don't allow due to their business model.
I am not doubting that Ddraver is correct.
My question is why do you think that Shimano do not directly import into the UK?
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.0 -
Was that anything to do with us being in the EU? Genuine question, I don't know.john80 said:
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.0 -
I saw a discussion a while ago which compared UK and US prices and explained the differences. I can't remember the exact reasons, but one of them was that UK prices always include VAT and US prices don't include GST. There were some other factors too.kingstongraham said:
Was that anything to do with us being in the EU? Genuine question, I don't know.john80 said:
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.0 -
Quite.TheBigBean said:
I saw a discussion a while ago which compared UK and US prices and explained the differences. I can't remember the exact reasons, but one of them was that UK prices always include VAT and US prices don't include GST. There were some other factors too.kingstongraham said:
Was that anything to do with us being in the EU? Genuine question, I don't know.john80 said:
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.
Last time I was in the States I went shopping to find something to treat myself with. Computer, photography, or cycling. There was no savings to be had.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Same point for the phrase 'C'est la vie'.Pross said:Are we allowed to use the word Schadenfreude now we've left the EU or is there a British equivalent for British people?
Also, are we allowed to watch 'Allo 'Allo ?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nope, too much 'good moaning' going on. Bloody remoaners.Stevo_666 said:
Same point for the phrase 'C'est la vie'.Pross said:Are we allowed to use the word Schadenfreude now we've left the EU or is there a British equivalent for British people?
Also, are we allowed to watch 'Allo 'Allo ?
I'll get my coat......2 -
IIRC the series was sold to the French and German TV networks and was very popular.briantrumpet said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So we agree that any alternative is sub optimum and bad for the consumer.john80 said:
Either the guy making the decisions in Shimano has a fancy woman in wherever this central EU hub is located or more likely when we were in the EU it was the most cost effective way of distributing their products to the entirety of the EU including the UK market. Either the additional Brexit paperwork will make direct UK import better or it won't as they have to balance off warehousing in the UK. The point is the trading relationship has changed and companies will have to make a decision in their best interests. I for one would be happy to take on the role of main UK distributor for shimano as I am sure would many others in the cycling industry for a small cut of the action. So in summary it might cost a bit more for a consumer but we might get another few jobs out of it.surrey_commuter said:
That was poorly written on my part.john80 said:
Others have claimed they don't hence the price increase claims. If they already directly import then nothing has changed. Tariffs are the same and paperwork from the far East is the same. I am not the one claiming that it is all ported to a EU country and then distributed from there. Ddraver is.surrey_commuter said:
Why do you think Shimano do not do that?john80 said:
I am not convinced by the arguments. If I was Shimano I would be importing direct to the UK from the far east as it would save me cash over the assumed current model that it all comes into a EU central hub and is distributed from there. The UK market is big enough to support this. I would not just increase prices in the hope that say SRAM don't do this. The generic argument still stands that businesses will look at market change and aim to raise prices as much as possible without harming sales unduly.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst not important it is something we know more about, collectively, than any other retail market. Why do you not think it will be the same for many other products?john80 said:
They might do. We will see. We are essentially arguing about something that is not very important in the grand scheme of things.elbowloh said:
There's a reason why they all have their groupsets aimed at similar brackets of riders and similar price points. If Shimanos price went up £400, I think the only thing that would happen with Campag and SRAM is a price increase also.john80 said:
If the groupset cost £1600 pre brexit and this then gets priced up to £2000 post brexit there is a £400 gap for a competitor to come into. If the competition all collude and accept the price is £2000 then you are right. If one breaks then they will increase their market share. The overall market will shrink at the £2000 but again this will be on a curve where sales and price will have an optimum profit which is a second factor. Your focus on how Britain is viewed around the world says more about you than me. Businesses don't generally care about the personal beliefs of the customer. They care that they want to buy something and have the money generally. Shimano will do what is best for their business bottom line.ddraver said:
Its hard not to use the word deluded to describe your impressions of how GB is viewed around the world right now...john80 said:
Shimano to take your case in point should pivot to either supplying complete items or assembling far east components in the UK to sell in the UK market. It is a opportunity in as much as it is a problem. The loss would be the EUs problem unless there is no competition indefinitely which will not be the case.yorkshireraw said:
name some none EU suppliers - and don't say Shimano as they assemble stuff in the EU.john80 said:
Non EU suppliers will do a roaring trade at the detriment to EU suppliers.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.
Why on earth would Shimano (or Campag or SRAM) do that?
If none of them do it, prices go up, the only people who lose out is us
To put this in perspective Yanmar manufacturing yacht engines have a UK distributor on much smaller albeit higher unit costs for what is a very small market. I can't buy an engine direct from Yanmar. I bought an engineer from a UK company as they import a Kubota base engine into the UK and marinise it for a significantly cheaper cost as I essentially cut out a layer of distribution that Yanmar don't allow due to their business model.
I am not doubting that Ddraver is correct.
My question is why do you think that Shimano do not directly import into the UK?
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.
They charge more because they can, the likes of Apple seem to charge the same in £ as they do $. As Brexit is sinking the £ this could be seen as a benefit but good luck explaining it to people.0 -
Depending on when that was, exchange rate (GBP having the proverbial kicked out of it on 24/6/16 didn't help) will be a factor there as well.pblakeney said:
Quite.TheBigBean said:
I saw a discussion a while ago which compared UK and US prices and explained the differences. I can't remember the exact reasons, but one of them was that UK prices always include VAT and US prices don't include GST. There were some other factors too.kingstongraham said:
Was that anything to do with us being in the EU? Genuine question, I don't know.john80 said:
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.
Last time I was in the States I went shopping to find something to treat myself with. Computer, photography, or cycling. There was no savings to be had.
The pound has been close to $2 at times in the last 20 years, it's $1.36 today.
But generally, at this time, nothing is really cheaper at the till. Certainly not worth the cost of the flight.0 -
Last time the rates was up there was a just before the 2008 financial crash, and it has been @1.36 since 2016. What happened around then? 😉yorkshireraw said:
Depending on when that was, exchange rate (GBP having the proverbial kicked out of it on 24/6/16 didn't help) will be a factor there as well.pblakeney said:
Quite.TheBigBean said:
I saw a discussion a while ago which compared UK and US prices and explained the differences. I can't remember the exact reasons, but one of them was that UK prices always include VAT and US prices don't include GST. There were some other factors too.kingstongraham said:
Was that anything to do with us being in the EU? Genuine question, I don't know.john80 said:
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.
Last time I was in the States I went shopping to find something to treat myself with. Computer, photography, or cycling. There was no savings to be had.
The pound has been close to $2 at times in the last 20 years, it's $1.36 today.
But generally, at this time, nothing is really cheaper at the till. Certainly not worth the cost of the flight.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If you can make the case that being in the highly protectionist EU was optimum for consumers then crack on.surrey_commuter said:
So we agree that any alternative is sub optimum and bad for the consumer.john80 said:
Either the guy making the decisions in Shimano has a fancy woman in wherever this central EU hub is located or more likely when we were in the EU it was the most cost effective way of distributing their products to the entirety of the EU including the UK market. Either the additional Brexit paperwork will make direct UK import better or it won't as they have to balance off warehousing in the UK. The point is the trading relationship has changed and companies will have to make a decision in their best interests. I for one would be happy to take on the role of main UK distributor for shimano as I am sure would many others in the cycling industry for a small cut of the action. So in summary it might cost a bit more for a consumer but we might get another few jobs out of it.surrey_commuter said:
That was poorly written on my part.john80 said:
Others have claimed they don't hence the price increase claims. If they already directly import then nothing has changed. Tariffs are the same and paperwork from the far East is the same. I am not the one claiming that it is all ported to a EU country and then distributed from there. Ddraver is.surrey_commuter said:
Why do you think Shimano do not do that?john80 said:
I am not convinced by the arguments. If I was Shimano I would be importing direct to the UK from the far east as it would save me cash over the assumed current model that it all comes into a EU central hub and is distributed from there. The UK market is big enough to support this. I would not just increase prices in the hope that say SRAM don't do this. The generic argument still stands that businesses will look at market change and aim to raise prices as much as possible without harming sales unduly.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst not important it is something we know more about, collectively, than any other retail market. Why do you not think it will be the same for many other products?john80 said:
They might do. We will see. We are essentially arguing about something that is not very important in the grand scheme of things.elbowloh said:
There's a reason why they all have their groupsets aimed at similar brackets of riders and similar price points. If Shimanos price went up £400, I think the only thing that would happen with Campag and SRAM is a price increase also.john80 said:
If the groupset cost £1600 pre brexit and this then gets priced up to £2000 post brexit there is a £400 gap for a competitor to come into. If the competition all collude and accept the price is £2000 then you are right. If one breaks then they will increase their market share. The overall market will shrink at the £2000 but again this will be on a curve where sales and price will have an optimum profit which is a second factor. Your focus on how Britain is viewed around the world says more about you than me. Businesses don't generally care about the personal beliefs of the customer. They care that they want to buy something and have the money generally. Shimano will do what is best for their business bottom line.ddraver said:
Its hard not to use the word deluded to describe your impressions of how GB is viewed around the world right now...john80 said:
Shimano to take your case in point should pivot to either supplying complete items or assembling far east components in the UK to sell in the UK market. It is a opportunity in as much as it is a problem. The loss would be the EUs problem unless there is no competition indefinitely which will not be the case.yorkshireraw said:
name some none EU suppliers - and don't say Shimano as they assemble stuff in the EU.john80 said:
Non EU suppliers will do a roaring trade at the detriment to EU suppliers.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.
Why on earth would Shimano (or Campag or SRAM) do that?
If none of them do it, prices go up, the only people who lose out is us
To put this in perspective Yanmar manufacturing yacht engines have a UK distributor on much smaller albeit higher unit costs for what is a very small market. I can't buy an engine direct from Yanmar. I bought an engineer from a UK company as they import a Kubota base engine into the UK and marinise it for a significantly cheaper cost as I essentially cut out a layer of distribution that Yanmar don't allow due to their business model.
I am not doubting that Ddraver is correct.
My question is why do you think that Shimano do not directly import into the UK?
Overall people are missing that there are many opportunities for a reduction in price for some items. For example tech has been cheaper in the US for decades. This could change as there is no inherent reason that we should be paying more for a Chinese import phone than someone in the US. Its pretty much the same costs.
They charge more because they can, the likes of Apple seem to charge the same in £ as they do $. As Brexit is sinking the £ this could be seen as a benefit but good luck explaining it to people.0 -
What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go.0 -
Is the bike parts Shimano the same as the fishing reel maker Shimano?yorkshireraw said:
In the scale of their total business, I suspect cycling components sold in the UK isn't all that significant - not enough to warrant setting up a whole supply chain & manufacturing / assembly for one market. They would probably accept taking a bit of a hit in volumes to protect margins, if that even happened - if you need a rear mech, you don't have massive choice is the rest of your kit is already shimano.john80 said:
Shimano to take your case in point should pivot to either supplying complete items or assembling far east components in the UK to sell in the UK market. It is a opportunity in as much as it is a problem. The loss would be the EUs problem unless there is no competition indefinitely which will not be the case.yorkshireraw said:
name some none EU suppliers - and don't say Shimano as they assemble stuff in the EU.john80 said:
Non EU suppliers will do a roaring trade at the detriment to EU suppliers.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.
Most shimano is probably sold to 3rd parties (i.e. bike manufacturers) anyway, so it is, as has been pointed out, not straightforward, involves different markets, rules, paperwork etc, and hence why end product to a now 3rd country becomes more costly.
But is suspect you know all this.
If so, i wouldn't be surprised if their turnover for reels is probably bigger than for cycling components as they have a big share of a bigger market (isn't fishing the biggest participation activity in the uk? If they set up the same distribution hub for fishing and cycling stuff it might make it more worthwhile.0 -
Can we please be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?focuszing723 said:What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?
es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
Nope, those pesky Brexiteers scuppered the plans for getting out of Eurovision when they started on with the 'Australia' type deal. FFS…..Stevo_666 said:
Can we please be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?focuszing723 said:What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?
es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go.
Don’t worry coat is already on….
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Unfortunately Australia are in it, there is no hope.Stevo_666 said:
Can we please be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?focuszing723 said:What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?
es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go.Mel Giedroyc explained on BBC's Eurovision: You Decide: “The simple fact is, Australia's host TV broadcaster SBS is part of the European Broadcasting Union, otherwise known as the EBU. “And this is a qualification requirement for entering the Eurovision Song Contest. So that's why we'll see them in May.”
Most odd, completely EU though.0 -
Maybe if we get Farage to be the next UK Eurovision entry they might ban us?focuszing723 said:
Unfortunately Australia are in it, there is no hope.Stevo_666 said:
Can we please be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?focuszing723 said:What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?
es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go.Mel Giedroyc explained on BBC's Eurovision: You Decide: “The simple fact is, Australia's host TV broadcaster SBS is part of the European Broadcasting Union, otherwise known as the EBU. “And this is a qualification requirement for entering the Eurovision Song Contest. So that's why we'll see them in May.”
Most odd, completely EU though."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Ha, yeah. A duet with Farage and the posh arrogance of Rees Mogg on a chaise lounge.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe if we get Farage to be the next UK Eurovision entry they might ban us?focuszing723 said:
Unfortunately Australia are in it, there is no hope.Stevo_666 said:
Can we please be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?focuszing723 said:What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?
es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go.Mel Giedroyc explained on BBC's Eurovision: You Decide: “The simple fact is, Australia's host TV broadcaster SBS is part of the European Broadcasting Union, otherwise known as the EBU. “And this is a qualification requirement for entering the Eurovision Song Contest. So that's why we'll see them in May.”
Most odd, completely EU though.
I think that would be enough for me to start seriously looking or EU citizenship.0 -
Although tbf I've seen worse on the Eurovision.focuszing723 said:
Ha, yeah. A duet with Farage and the posh arrogance of Rees Mogg on a chaise lounge.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe if we get Farage to be the next UK Eurovision entry they might ban us?focuszing723 said:
Unfortunately Australia are in it, there is no hope.Stevo_666 said:
Can we please be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest?focuszing723 said:What about the Euro Millions Lottery and also the distribution of the money which is made via it?
es, UK residents can still play EuroMillions after Brexit. You do not need to live in an EU country to buy tickets. For example, Switzerland is not an EU member and has played EuroMillions since October 2004.
The agreement in place to run the game is between the UK National Lottery and the official lottery operators of the eight other participating countries, so the UK will remain a part of the EuroMillions family regardless of the nation’s political status.
https://www.euro-millions.com/brexit
Well, there you go.Mel Giedroyc explained on BBC's Eurovision: You Decide: “The simple fact is, Australia's host TV broadcaster SBS is part of the European Broadcasting Union, otherwise known as the EBU. “And this is a qualification requirement for entering the Eurovision Song Contest. So that's why we'll see them in May.”
Most odd, completely EU though.
I think that would be enough for me to start seriously looking or EU citizenship."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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ahhhh here we are 2 whole weeks into our new non eu life and the naysayers are naysaying still.
I doubt youll ever be happy but surely even the most doom mongering lot of you must have expected a period of transition whilst everyone got used to things?
but if it makes you better, Im middle aged white male and voted for brexit and would do again tomorrow.
I HAVE RUINED YOUR LIVES BLAME ME
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Eurovision used to be fun when the mad acts were a staple part of the show.
Ever since the semi finals came into being, the eccentric acts get cut before the final.
It’s now just a big euro pop festival without any of what made it fun.
You have to actually enjoy pop music to watch it now whereas it the nonsense element used to be entertaining despite the serious wannabes.
Possibly one for the nostalgia/annoy threads.
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Eurovision is best taken lightly but not ironically.morstar said:Eurovision used to be fun when the mad acts were a staple part of the show.
Ever since the semi finals came into being, the eccentric acts get cut before the final.
It’s now just a big euro pop festival without any of what made it fun.
You have to actually enjoy pop music to watch it now whereas it the nonsense element used to be entertaining despite the serious wannabes.
Possibly one for the nostalgia/annoy threads.
That's what the brits seem to get wrong.
FWIW I once watched it in Denmark and holy moly they take it super seriously, which also felt a bit odd, but was fun for a one off.0
