BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I am simply pointing out the inconsistencies in the arguments of others such as Rick - and possibly yourself IIRC.surrey_commuter said:
are you arguing that it does not matter because it is such a small industry?Stevo_666 said:
You can complain about whatever you like but expect to get taken to task if you're inconsistent in the way you were on this point.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Well something about him has always been fishy.....kingstongraham said:0 -
Captain Haddock.kingstongraham said:"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Major Cod-swallop
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RC wants an echo chamber so are barking at the wrong person.morstar said:
I love this lazy echo chamber insult.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
All the sides of the debates have weighed in and yet it’s an echo chamber.
I agree the split is different to the general population but that’s demographics.
It’s a lazy attempt it delegitimise opinions you disagree with.0 -
Oh come on John. If I really wanted an echo chamber I wouldn't respond to you!john80 said:
RC wants an echo chamber so are barking at the wrong person.morstar said:
I love this lazy echo chamber insult.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
All the sides of the debates have weighed in and yet it’s an echo chamber.
I agree the split is different to the general population but that’s demographics.
It’s a lazy attempt it delegitimise opinions you disagree with.
I think it's fair to say you disagree with me on most things politically, wouldn't you say?0 -
Think of Brexit as two echo chambers. Both chambers trying to drown out the other whilst not actually being able to hear the other.morstar said:
I love this lazy echo chamber insult.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
All the sides of the debates have weighed in and yet it’s an echo chamber.
I agree the split is different to the general population but that’s demographics.
It’s a lazy attempt it delegitimise opinions you disagree with.
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Seems a reasonable assumption.rick_chasey said:
Oh come on John. If I really wanted an echo chamber I wouldn't respond to you!john80 said:
RC wants an echo chamber so are barking at the wrong person.morstar said:
I love this lazy echo chamber insult.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
All the sides of the debates have weighed in and yet it’s an echo chamber.
I agree the split is different to the general population but that’s demographics.
It’s a lazy attempt it delegitimise opinions you disagree with.
I think it's fair to say you disagree with me on most things politically, wouldn't you say?0 -
one the plus side, at least the level of trolling and abuse in cake stop has dropped after what one assumes was belated action by the br modsTheBigBean said:
Think of Brexit as two echo chambers. Both chambers trying to drown out the other whilst not actually being able to hear the other.morstar said:
I love this lazy echo chamber insult.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
All the sides of the debates have weighed in and yet it’s an echo chamber.
I agree the split is different to the general population but that’s demographics.
It’s a lazy attempt it delegitimise opinions you disagree with.
let's hope the improvement continuesmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx0 -
As another viewpoint, sourcing construction materials is now extra fun. Everything is rapidly going out of stock with expected new stock arriving in "months". So the client's choice is re-spec everything or indefinite delays.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
last year there were lots of issues with plaster and concrete and even low quality timber products.rjsterry said:As another viewpoint, sourcing construction materials is now extra fun. Everything is rapidly going out of stock with expected new stock arriving in "months". So the client's choice is re-spec everything or indefinite delays.
this year plaster and timber should be fine though i understand there is a lot of advance ordering going on, a sort of construction bog roll rush causing shortages but the production is fine. https://www.british-gypsum.com/about-us/coronavirus
The cheap imports of timber are affected by coronavirus related challenges AND since we now operate UK timber regulations (UKTR) as opposed to EU timber regs (eutr) there are some administration changes. Some suppliers will be reclassified as Operators instead of traders.
The principle difference is the requirement o provide more detailed info on the source of the wood and that it meets sustainability requirements.
I.E. The uk has used this change as an opportunity to ensure we're not contributing to deforestation or illegal logging operations in Europe or anywhere else in the world.
These regs are part of uk efforts to reduce emissions and crimninal activity. Anmy interuption should be shortlived.
I fail to see any down side in that scenario.0 -
traitor - what's wrong with buying British?david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx0 -
If they still called it scampi they might be able to sell it in the UK.kingstongraham said:
I forget what the solution to this was - was it that we would start eating lots of langoustines?rick_chasey said:0 -
the tooling i needed isnt made in Britain anymore. though the British machine tools industry has been in decline from global competition for decades despite its excellent reputation. consecutive governments have not seen it as a strategic priority to have this expertise in the UK and havent supported the industry.kingstongraham said:
traitor - what's wrong with buying British?david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
See matrix churchill for a thrilling history of acquisition and merger followed by government involvement in light and heavy engineering.
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The scales get everywhere.kingstongraham said:
traitor - what's wrong with buying British?david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx0 -
Is it to ecconomics what wiping is to bottom? have you any autonomy Rick?rick_chasey said:Does David even know what autarky is.
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Lizards or fish?john80 said:
The scales get everywhere.kingstongraham said:
traitor - what's wrong with buying British?david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx0 -
Make some friends who are old enough to remember Yugoslavia and ask them how making everything within the country went.david37 said:
Is it to ecconomics what wiping is to bottom? have you any autonomy Rick?rick_chasey said:Does David even know what autarky is.
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are you trying to make a point? or are you as ever, pointless?rick_chasey said:
Make some friends who are old enough to remember Yugoslavia and ask them how making everything within the country went.david37 said:
Is it to ecconomics what wiping is to bottom? have you any autonomy Rick?rick_chasey said:Does David even know what autarky is.
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there must be a fair few of us old enough to remember when Japanese Tvs were limited to a small screen size. You could buy a big British TV but it was absolute junk.rick_chasey said:Sure. I can spell it out if you're interested.
You can see for yourself how successful that policy was at supporting the UK TV industry1 -
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.0 -
each object on the lorry needs a customs declaration, he only had one object on the lorry.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.0 -
Do you see the EU or the UK as more protectionist?surrey_commuter said:
there must be a fair few of us old enough to remember when Japanese Tvs were limited to a small screen size. You could buy a big British TV but it was absolute junk.rick_chasey said:Sure. I can spell it out if you're interested.
You can see for yourself how successful that policy was at supporting the UK TV industry0 -
Goes without saying 😉Wasn't talking about timber, cheap or otherwise, but thanks for teaching me to suck eggs.david37 said:
last year there were lots of issues with plaster and concrete and even low quality timber products.rjsterry said:As another viewpoint, sourcing construction materials is now extra fun. Everything is rapidly going out of stock with expected new stock arriving in "months". So the client's choice is re-spec everything or indefinite delays.
this year plaster and timber should be fine though i understand there is a lot of advance ordering going on, a sort of construction bog roll rush causing shortages but the production is fine. https://www.british-gypsum.com/about-us/coronavirus
The cheap imports of timber are affected by coronavirus related challenges AND since we now operate UK timber regulations (UKTR) as opposed to EU timber regs (eutr) there are some administration changes. Some suppliers will be reclassified as Operators instead of traders.
The principle difference is the requirement o provide more detailed info on the source of the wood and that it meets sustainability requirements.
I.E. The uk has used this change as an opportunity to ensure we're not contributing to deforestation or illegal logging operations in Europe or anywhere else in the world.
These regs are part of uk efforts to reduce emissions and crimninal activity. Anmy interuption should be shortlived.
I fail to see any down side in that scenario.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
your local bike shop is talking boll ocks. I suspect that most local bike shop employees know about as much about the complexities of COO as i do about nucleur physics.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.
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Non EU suppliers will do a roaring trade at the detriment to EU suppliers.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers.0 -
If that is true...john80 said:
Non EU suppliers will do a roaring trade at the detriment to EU suppliers.yorkshireraw said:
Food is subject to a very different set of rules than man made metal objects.david37 said:yesterday i ordered some tooling from a German manufacturer.
The order process was visually the same as previously, delivery times are the same, cost was the same.
Invoice looks different with an additional note about the tax treatment and a note re reclaiming vat.
Brexit is not a complete nightmare (for me at least).
The tooling and machinery are manufactured in Germany, are delivered directly from Germany by a company that is trading with the UK and presumably many other independent countries around the world.
no doubt they had to put some work and thought into this.
It's going to be alright xxx
Also, my LBS is reporting they have been told of massive (30%) price increases for bikes and components out of Europe, due to COO complexities for different parts that are then assembled together in the EU.
I am glad this isn't an issue for your area, but that isn't to say there aren't severe consequences for many other businesses and consumers."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
