BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Yup.
Optimism is about having enough stones to take calculated risks. It's not about ignoring incoming problems; quite the opposite.
It's like going downhill on a bike fast. You have to believe that your tyres will hold out, that your brakes will work, that you can indeed slow down from a high speed to slow in 30m, etc etc. Else you just won't go down fast.
Doesn't mean you don't pay attention to the fact there's gravel on the road and lots of oncoming traffic which might pancake you.
If there's ice on the road, then believing you can still go fast is just moronic.0 -
Fisheries minister was too busy to read the trade deal.0
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from a shellfish point of view, if I can get langoustine cheap I'll be a happy bunnykingstongraham said:
I forget what the solution to this was - was it that we would start eating lots of langoustines?rick_chasey said:0 -
surrey_commuter said:
It is quite surprising how these people on the front line do not understand freedom of movement.rick_chasey said:Lads, we’ve f@cked it
They need to accept they are Brexit losers and sell frozen
This is good news for manufacturers of refrigerated trucks
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Food industry - the level of admin has gone up massively, and it applied to every shipment and will be ongoing.
We also need stuff like a T1 form (£65 per order) for our EU customers who sell some stuff on outside the EU. Not huge but it all adds up and needs admin support.
Most food businesses are shipping lots of orders with relatively low value (£12-£13K a time for a truck load depending on your product) - if you were shipping 1 massive piece of machinery worth £100K a few times a year it would be different.
Get anything wrong on one of the forms and you're stuck at customs.
We've got lorries stuck at the moment - we have done it all correctly but the volume of errors elsewhere is delaying flow at ports.
There's many small companies that simply haven't got the experience or resources to deal with everything that's hit them. For all the Govt's waste of money on TV ads to 'get ready' - there was never any f'ing clear info of what many had to get ready for. Usual propaganda so eventually Boris can say 'we ran ads, we warned you'.1 -
Was about to write the same thing....surrey_commuter said:
They need to accept they are Brexit losers and sell frozen
A bit of 'tough love' might actually go down better than constant lies about how, "it'll get better, just you wait and see..."
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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this is hilarious (unless you're an exporter)...
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/949580/BordersOpModel_Case_Studies__1_.pdf
let's raise a glass to johnson's "frictionless trade", huzzah!my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?0 -
I still have not argued fishing is consequential.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
Even you must find it quite funny that the most fervent brexiteers and poster boys for the sunlit uplands are first in line to demonstrate the lost benefits of the single market.
It is not as if they were not repeatedly warned about would happen.
I am sure the MMT will be given another shake to make sure there are no losers from Brexit0 -
fishing was bigged up by the brexiters as importantStevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
therefore it's justified to be extremely critical of them for the damage they've caused to what they made such a key part of their propaganda campaign
whereas brexiters didn't give a damn about the damage to services, there's no new criticism to add, they always said they'd damage it and that's what they've donemy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Hmm, yes there was some 'agitation' in the chat when that baby got circulated... 😶sungod said:this is hilarious (unless you're an exporter)...
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/949580/BordersOpModel_Case_Studies__1_.pdf
let's raise a glass to johnson's "frictionless trade", huzzah!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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It's funny that they try to find anything to blame other than leaving the EU as to do so would require that most difficult of all things, admitting you were wrong.surrey_commuter said:
I still have not argued fishing is consequential.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
Even you must find it quite funny that the most fervent brexiteers and poster boys for the sunlit uplands are first in line to demonstrate the lost benefits of the single market.
It is not as if they were not repeatedly warned about would happen.
I am sure the MMT will be given another shake to make sure there are no losers from Brexit0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
No-one would care about the actual canary down a mineshaft, if it died, but they might be worried about why.0 -
Especially if one of the main selling points for the mine was that it was great for canariesbriantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
No-one would care about the actual canary down a mineshaft, if it died, but they might be worried about why.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Well this looks straightforward enough:sungod said:this is hilarious (unless you're an exporter)...
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/949580/BordersOpModel_Case_Studies__1_.pdf
let's raise a glass to johnson's "frictionless trade", huzzah!
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Bunnies are vegetariantwotoebenny said:
from a shellfish point of view, if I can get langoustine cheap I'll be a happy bunnykingstongraham said:
I forget what the solution to this was - was it that we would start eating lots of langoustines?rick_chasey said:0 -
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Fish cake!0
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Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.0 -
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.1 -
There's a really interesting program on BBC2 at 7pm most days about Cornish fishermen.
Is really interesting and I have much more sympathy for them after watching the program. I can't help but think they have been absolutely played over this though.0 -
I love this lazy echo chamber insult.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
All the sides of the debates have weighed in and yet it’s an echo chamber.
I agree the split is different to the general population but that’s demographics.
It’s a lazy attempt it delegitimise opinions you disagree with.0 -
Fishing always was a totemic industry for Brexit. They were promised no more quotas and were delighted even though it was pointed out to them that they would no longer have access to the markets where they sold their current catch.Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
In fairness Boris did prioritise fishing in the negotiations and whilst he did not remove quotas got a 25% reduction in the EU share.
Now we have left the SM and lost the benefits of FoM they are no longer able to sell their catch as fresh and are tied up in harbour. Yet despite this being exactly what they voted for they are moaning about it.0 -
Brexit is affecting an industry that was high profile in the referendum and the negotiations and was widely touted by the government, the leave campaign and some of the pro-brexit rags as likely winners of the deal.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
Is it not therefore interesting that firms in that industry are in fact struggling?
It's not really about echo chambers.
Stevo replied with something about it being illegitimate because of the size of said industry, so I wondered what the criteria he was using to establish what constitutes as a big enough issue.0 -
You can complain about whatever you like but expect to get taken to task if you're inconsistent in the way you were on this point.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
not likely winners - they were the big winnersrick_chasey said:
Brexit is affecting an industry that was high profile in the referendum and the negotiations and was widely touted by the government, the leave campaign and some of the pro-brexit rags as likely winners of the deal.john80 said:
Is he disrupting your echo chamber.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
Is it not therefore interesting that firms in that industry are in fact struggling?
It's not really about echo chambers.
Stevo replied with something about it being illegitimate because of the size of said industry, so I wondered what the criteria he was using to establish what constitutes as a big enough issue.0 -
are you arguing that it does not matter because it is such a small industry?Stevo_666 said:
You can complain about whatever you like but expect to get taken to task if you're inconsistent in the way you were on this point.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.0 -
So after Brexiteers trumpeted the fact that it was EU quotas that turned our huge and successful fishing industry into a minnow, it now doesn't matter they have completely farked it up, because it's a small industry.surrey_commuter said:
are you arguing that it does not matter because it is such a small industry?Stevo_666 said:
You can complain about whatever you like but expect to get taken to task if you're inconsistent in the way you were on this point.rick_chasey said:
Why don't you share the list of what it is legitimate for people on this thread to complain about?Stevo_666 said:
I never thought about it that way. People were making out that this sector was a lower priority and by implication might have to take a hit for the greater good.rick_chasey said:
The fishing industry was made out to be a big beneficiary of brexit.Stevo_666 said:Funny, I seem to recall a few people on here (Rick and SC IIRC) pointing out how small and inconsequential the UK fishing industry is in the scheme of things and we should not let it derail a trade deal. And now we have signed a trade deal, it suddenly seems to be a big issue....
It turns out it is not - it is a casualty.
The size of it is irrelevant in that context.
In the wider context of the deal, yes, of course the size matters, but that is not the discussion at hand.
Does that make sense?
It sounded like you wanted to have your cake and eat it on the complaining front.
Have I got that right?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1
