BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I've been trying to get a new groupset to upgrade my one bike for a few months now. I'd given up and decided to buy a gravel bike instead but virtually every model I've looked at is out of stock. I emailed my LBS yesterday and got a reply saying they have more of the bike I was interested in ordered but no delivery dates due to Covid, exceptional demand (due to Covid and everyone becoming cyclists) and Brexit issues.pblakeney said:
I just had a look for some potential spare components from all the usual online places, UK & EU. A very high percentage are "currently unavailable". Not commenting on the why's and wherefores but it is a worrying situation.kingstongraham said:I'm not sure wanting Shimano components to be manufactured in the UK is particularly realistic, but it would be surprising if there weren't a way for UK retailers importing to the UK and selling to UK customers to compete with Dutch retailers importing to the Netherlands and selling to UK customers. If there is some unfair reason that the UK company cannot, then it is fair to address this. If there is not, then these new barriers just mean the UK customer paying more for the same thing.
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Glad I’ve got a full toolkit and a box of spares. Time for more mend and make do.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I have little to base this on other that experience in Switzerland but I suspect the days of the Wiggle super discounts are over for Brits. No more full Ultegra drivetrains at 50% off...
There will be no orders from Germany or NL to replace them either due to Customs and VAT payments.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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This is the first paragraph of the link aboverick_chasey said:
Why?john80 said:
I would not class having zero trade deficit as autarky. We could be bold and want a trade surplus with the world.rick_chasey said:
Lol so your objective here is autarky?john80 said:
You were complaining about the loss of Belgian beer suppliers and Dutch bike bits to the UK market. In both cases they were a excellent way of creating a near perfect trade deficit as with the exception of a delivery company their entire supply chain was outside the UK. I both cases we could have the complete supply chain and gained the value all along the chain. You are championing that this should continue and that HMRC were being harsh in making them fill out the relevent paperwork.rick_chasey said:
Can you quote where I was doing this?john80 said:
Countries often have sector trade deficits for good reasons such as climate and food for example. You were championing trade deficits in things like beer and manufacturing bike bits which guess what are easily achievable in the UK.rick_chasey said:Ah ok so you’re talking trade deficits not govt spending deficits.
So what is the problem precisely?
Only economists can’t agree on whether they’re good or bad and it entirely depends on circumstance.
If you want lots of investment into the UK that hurts the figures.
Globally the trade surplus is zero so why does it matter so much?
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/051515/pros-cons-trade-deficit.asp
This page is good on the pros and cons of a trade deficit.
I don't really understand why you are focused on trade deficit so much.
Economists disagree on the simple question of whether sustained trade deficits are good, bad, or don't matter much for a country and its economy. That's because there are so many variables—so many ways to generate a trade deficit and so many ways it might help or hurt an economy, or reflect good or bad aspects of that economy.
Is our trade deficit over the last 20 years been used for long term projects that generate growth. I do not think the UK is good at smoothing the economy with strategic projects in the lean times and less in the good times and I would like this to change.0 -
So I think you have it the wrong way around. The trade deficit or surplus is usually a symptom of a given economic situation in the nation, so I really wouldn't be using it as an objective.
The reasons for the trade deficit are myriad. It could be currency overvaluation, it could be the massive swing towards consumer spending since the 80s, it could be low savings ratio, it could be the de-industrialisation, it could be all sorts.
But Japan has had a massive trade surplus for ages and that is stagnating too.
There are many things wrong with the UK economy, but the trade surplus really isn't one of them.
And absolutely the way to improve the trade deficit situation *is not to erect trade barriers* as that only adds to the economic pain.0 -
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At least all the paperwork is worth...nevermind..0 -
2018 Ian Perkes:
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kingstongraham said:
2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.0 -
I think we can safely assume that Mr Perkes is way above average intelligence in the UK yet as an exporter to the EU he had absolutely no concept of the importance of the SM and CU.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
And this is what I mean when I say that people were asked a question that they were not qualified to answer.0 -
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.1 -
To be fair, he hasn't got problems caused by tariffs. So he was right on that point.0
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So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.0 -
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.0 -
You lost him at "read"surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.0 -
No sympathy from the Brexiters?
I find it remarkable that people who are pro-brexit can't at least admit the brexit that was promised has not been delivered.
Won't leave single market, won't be any barriers to trade, won't have a customs barrier in the irish sea yadayada.
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50% of Pro-Brexit posts have been banned.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
You might find that a lot of people voting for brexit did so knowing those promises could not be delivered as we were entering a negotiation and the EU were unlikely to grant these wishes. I am not going to apologise for something someone else said and you apparently believed.rick_chasey said:No sympathy from the Brexiters?
I find it remarkable that people who are pro-brexit can't at least admit the brexit that was promised has not been delivered.
Won't leave single market, won't be any barriers to trade, won't have a customs barrier in the irish sea yadayada.1 -
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Always tugging at the heart strings there. Fishermen have a better deal than they had before. You claims and those of others that they won't be able to sell it are over played.rick_chasey said:John doesn't have sympathy for the fisherman, I'm shocked.
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You can't make an omelette without shafting fishermen.0
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Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.3 -
Whereas there appears to be no void in the 'people still crying over spilt milk' category...Pross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
i suspect whatever happens theyll be crying. (or wetting their beds and then crying)Stevo_666 said:
Whereas there appears to be no void in the 'people still crying over spilt milk' category...Pross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.0 -
Ha ha, talking of crying but you've flagged my post 🤣david37 said:
i suspect whatever happens theyll be crying. (or wetting their beds and then crying)Stevo_666 said:
Whereas there appears to be no void in the 'people still crying over spilt milk' category...Pross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.0 -
who's crying?Stevo_666 said:
Whereas there appears to be no void in the 'people still crying over spilt milk' category...Pross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis.
mostly i see people pointing out that reality tops liesmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
Here is a question for you. Why is it supermarkets are full of frozen fish such as Basa all the way from Thailand instead of frozen white fish off UK boats. If it is cost then why is Thai fish so much cheaper than UK landed fish. If fishermen want to safe guard their futures then they need to work with the government to boost UK market share. Let's face every year there will be a blockade by the French based on their unhappiness at water access removal.0
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I thought they were behind the sofa?david37 said:
i suspect whatever happens theyll be crying. (or wetting their beds and then crying)Stevo_666 said:
Whereas there appears to be no void in the 'people still crying over spilt milk' category...Pross said:
Someone has to fill the Coopster void and david37 was vying for it even before Coopster was banned.surrey_commuter said:
read to the end of his post and he covers that very pointdavid37 said:
So it wasnt funded by the EU then was it.Pross said:
If anyone tried to explain this, rather obvious, consequence to him back in 2018 he would no doubt have dismissed them as condescending remoaners making out they were more intelligent than him and tell them they lost so get over it.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:2018 Ian Perkes:
I can't have any sympathy for someone like that. None at all. They were doing well, and voted to break the system that had sustained them.
He ought to retrain as a ballet dancer.
I was never particularly pro European (my main reason for voting remain back then was we at least knew what we were getting) but was amazed how anti-EU industries and regions that benefitted most from EU membership were. Living in an area that was quite heavily in favour of Brexit I regularly drive around and see infrastructure, factories etc. with signs on saying funded by the EU and I've never understood who the Brexit voters think are going to provide that funding now. Sure, it is money we as a country put in but I don't see the UK Government replacing the level of investment on a like for like basis."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1
