BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Indeed.Stevo_666 said:
While clearly there are some who see the EU like that, I believe one of the unintended consequences of the referendum was that quite a number of people who felt hard done by for whatever reason (not specifically or directly related to the EU other perception of the EU) using the ref to give the establishment a kick up the backside. It maybe didn't help that there were a fair few establishment figures in the remain campaign.elbowloh said:
As opposed to those who just believed in the bogeyman of the EU.pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
In any event, it's a bit late in the day for this now.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I’m not suggesting people be sympathetic about the cheese, it just seems a waste of a nice thing.ballysmate said:
As Shorty pointed out there were people who for a variety of reasons felt that the EU wasn't working for them. Whether you feel empathy is up to you. Not bothered either way.rick_chasey said:So who should I be giving my empathy now? The UKIP eel farmer who is losing his business?
But don't expect people who feel that they want out of the EU to have any sympathy for you struggling to find authentic Sardinian cheese in your favourite Italian restaurant as a result of Brexit.
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There are many intelligent people with many reasons for voting leave, economic prosperity is not one of them and that case has never been argued by the leave hierarchy. People on here then argue with me without even having a basic understanding of what GDP is.shortfall said:
Well you might start by accepting that intelligent people can have legitimate differences of opinion with you in debate and that your opponents in debate aren't your enemies to be mocked, belittled and derided.surrey_commuter said:
I voted Remain what more do you want?shortfall said:
There are sixteen hundred pages where the winners and losers of freedom of movement and other aspects of our membership have been discussed and I don't propose to rehearse them again now but if you read my post carefully it said this:pangolin said:
Who was hard done by as a result of EU membership?shortfall said:
That's just squid ink to avoid the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by, but you actively mocked and belittled them as thick little Englanders and so on. You're so absolutely certain that you're right, that the only possible explanation there can be if people disagree with you is that they're uneducated, mentally deficient, racist or any combination thereof. So yes, it's massively ironic that you're criticising people for not showing empathy towards the people who you think are going to suffer going forward as the relationship with the EU changes.surrey_commuter said:
In a nutshellshortfall said:
Well if you're accusing Leavers of lacking empathy for those businesses affected by the change in our relationship with Europe, then where was the empathy shown in this thread to those people felt that membership of the EU hadn't served them well? So far as I can make out since May 2015 when the thread started it's been one long exercise in mocking anyone or any group of people who voted Leave, either because they were too thick, too old, too racist or too white to understand the argument. Empathy was thin on the ground but I may have missed it having decided long ago that watching the same four people having the same argument on a daily basis was a bit tiresome.surrey_commuter said:
Go on then, give me an exampleshortfall said:
OMG!!! One for the irony thread if ever there was one.surrey_commuter said:
I am starting to wonder whether a lack of empathy is another common trait.elbowloh said:So what is your point? That there are lots of industries that at missing out, so many indeed that it's hard to keep track of then all?
Indeed it is bizarre that brexiteers don't seem to give a censored about them.
I believe that with economic prosperity everybody suffers.
A lot of people were told their suffering was due to EU membership
I still believe that the electorate were asked a question they were not qualified to answer.
Would you not agree that if you could chose the people who should suffer the downsides of Brexit then it should be those groups who disproportionately voted Leave?
So if the Govt has £30bn less in tax revenues should they look to save money on school leavers or pensioners?
You see I have empathy with the less well off in society who have been well and truly had over through a combination of lies and soon to be broken promises.
Bonus point if leaving has improved their lot.
"the basic point that you and a good few others on this thread not only showed a complete lack of empathy to the people who felt hard done by".
This is about SC criticising people on the Leave side for showing a lack of empathy. I'm saying he should own his own his hypocrisy on this before castigating anyone.
If you object to my level of empathy what place in hell would you reserve in hell for the people who exploited their ignorance and fears for their own ends?
Say you were a bridge designer and a competition was launched to decide which design we should adopt, do you think my opinion would be as valid as yours and how much patience would you have when I derided your opinion based upon some bollox I had read in the Express?
You think I was nasty to Mark because he took the p1ss out of me being so arrogant as to think I knew what was in the FTA?0 -
I don't think it's a case of anyone expecting sympathy, it's just that it's not a good look for SC to be criticising his opponents for displaying a lack of empathy when he has been prominent on this thread since it started showing a complete lack of empathy for anyone on the other side of the argument. Not only that, he was in good company in belittling Leave voters before, during and after the referendum. That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.pangolin said:I can't work out what any brexiteers would need any sympathy for. They got the referendum result they wanted, we left the eu, we have a trade deal. They should be basking in new economic opportunities.
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Keep up. We are supposed to feel empathy for jrm and farage, don't forget mark francois, they were under the yoke of the EU, denied the opportunity to flourish by the polish plumber and the French fisherman, God how francois wished he could pick fruit in the summer but was priced out by latvians.pangolin said:I can't work out what any brexiteers would need any sympathy for. They got the referendum result they wanted, we left the eu, we have a trade deal. They should be basking in new economic opportunities.
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Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It's seems that the hope that the endless whingeing would stop might have been misplaced...
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Did you see the hilarious justification their so-called Star Chamber came up with so that they could vote for the deal.briantrumpet said:It's seems that the hope that the endless whingeing would stop might have been misplaced...
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No, eddie izzard lost the vote.shortfall said:
I don't think it's a case of anyone expecting sympathy, it's just that it's not a good look for SC to be criticising his opponents for displaying a lack of empathy when he has been prominent on this thread since it started showing a complete lack of empathy for anyone on the other side of the argument. Not only that, he was in good company in belittling Leave voters before, during and after the referendum. That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.pangolin said:I can't work out what any brexiteers would need any sympathy for. They got the referendum result they wanted, we left the eu, we have a trade deal. They should be basking in new economic opportunities.
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I don't think so.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
This article explains the limits on EU 'retaliation' pretty well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/30/have-economic-legal-independence-now-must-loosen-eus-chokeholds/
Quote: "Brussels will have to prove its point before an independent panel before it can retaliate. Divergence must be “material” and based on evidence of damage suffered rather than “mere conjecture”. Sanctions must be proportional. “The mechanism is exceptionally restricted in its scope,” said Prof David Collins, a WTO specialist writing for Politeia.
The thresholds are high enough that the EU cannot lash out whenever Britain takes any step to make itself more competitive."
The article also reminds us of some of the upsides."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Don't think I've seen that Geldof pic before?darkhairedlord said:
No, eddie izzard lost the vote.shortfall said:
I don't think it's a case of anyone expecting sympathy, it's just that it's not a good look for SC to be criticising his opponents for displaying a lack of empathy when he has been prominent on this thread since it started showing a complete lack of empathy for anyone on the other side of the argument. Not only that, he was in good company in belittling Leave voters before, during and after the referendum. That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.pangolin said:I can't work out what any brexiteers would need any sympathy for. They got the referendum result they wanted, we left the eu, we have a trade deal. They should be basking in new economic opportunities.
Anyway, not sure how his behaviour as an Irish popstar would have any relevance one way or another.0 -
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but if divergence isn’t possible without sanctions than what is the point?Stevo_666 said:
I don't think so.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
This article explains the limits on EU 'retaliation' pretty well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/30/have-economic-legal-independence-now-must-loosen-eus-chokeholds/
Quote: "Brussels will have to prove its point before an independent panel before it can retaliate. Divergence must be “material” and based on evidence of damage suffered rather than “mere conjecture”. Sanctions must be proportional. “The mechanism is exceptionally restricted in its scope,” said Prof David Collins, a WTO specialist writing for Politeia.
The thresholds are high enough that the EU cannot lash out whenever Britain takes any step to make itself more competitive."
The article also reminds us of some of the upsides.0 -
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
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I think Eddie Izzard contributed to Remain losing the referendum yes and he DEFINITELY cost Labour a ton of Red Wall votes in the general election.darkhairedlord said:
No, eddie izzard lost the vote.shortfall said:
I don't think it's a case of anyone expecting sympathy, it's just that it's not a good look for SC to be criticising his opponents for displaying a lack of empathy when he has been prominent on this thread since it started showing a complete lack of empathy for anyone on the other side of the argument. Not only that, he was in good company in belittling Leave voters before, during and after the referendum. That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.pangolin said:I can't work out what any brexiteers would need any sympathy for. They got the referendum result they wanted, we left the eu, we have a trade deal. They should be basking in new economic opportunities.
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Ielbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.0 -
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".0 -
OK. Divergence is possible. Look at the conditions above.rick_chasey said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but if divergence isn’t possible without sanctions than what is the point?Stevo_666 said:
I don't think so.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
This article explains the limits on EU 'retaliation' pretty well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/30/have-economic-legal-independence-now-must-loosen-eus-chokeholds/
Quote: "Brussels will have to prove its point before an independent panel before it can retaliate. Divergence must be “material” and based on evidence of damage suffered rather than “mere conjecture”. Sanctions must be proportional. “The mechanism is exceptionally restricted in its scope,” said Prof David Collins, a WTO specialist writing for Politeia.
The thresholds are high enough that the EU cannot lash out whenever Britain takes any step to make itself more competitive."
The article also reminds us of some of the upsides."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You don't think a bunch of millionaire Remainer luvvies abusing Cornish fisherman might have been a bad look if you were trying to win hearts and minds before a really momentous vote?elbowloh said:
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".1 -
No, Fishing for Leave voting Brexit as an Irishman told them to fcuk off as with retrospective symbolism Farage throws fish overboard.ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
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I'm not saying it helped, but Im saying if you voted because of that, then that's pretty silly.shortfall said:
You don't think a bunch of millionaire Remainer luvvies abusing Cornish fisherman might have been a bad look if you were trying to win hearts and minds before a really momentous vote?elbowloh said:
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".0 -
rjsterry said:
Did you see the hilarious justification their so-called Star Chamber came up with so that they could vote for the deal.briantrumpet said:It's seems that the hope that the endless whingeing would stop might have been misplaced...
Do you think they would rather have said "We don't like it per se, but reckon we can use it to get, in effect a hard Brexit in a few years time. Fvck the EU."0 -
"Post-Brexit trade: UK having its cake and eating it, says Boris Johnson"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55486081
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I don't suppose anyone voted just because of that but it sort of crystallised the dividing lines in the debate.elbowloh said:
I'm not saying it helped, but Im saying if you voted because of that, then that's pretty silly.shortfall said:
You don't think a bunch of millionaire Remainer luvvies abusing Cornish fisherman might have been a bad look if you were trying to win hearts and minds before a really momentous vote?elbowloh said:
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".0 -
Abusing or pointing out how/why they are wrong?shortfall said:
You don't think a bunch of millionaire Remainer luvvies abusing Cornish fisherman might have been a bad look if you were trying to win hearts and minds before a really momentous vote?elbowloh said:
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".
Again, these people are about to learn quite how wrong they are and it's going to hurt far more than a bruised ego...
(The best thing the Remain campaign could've done down 'ere is put an EU flag on all the stuff in Cornwall paid for by the EU...)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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This seems to be be a matter of legal debateStevo_666 said:
I don't think so.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
This article explains the limits on EU 'retaliation' pretty well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/30/have-economic-legal-independence-now-must-loosen-eus-chokeholds/
Quote: "Brussels will have to prove its point before an independent panel before it can retaliate. Divergence must be “material” and based on evidence of damage suffered rather than “mere conjecture”. Sanctions must be proportional. “The mechanism is exceptionally restricted in its scope,” said Prof David Collins, a WTO specialist writing for Politeia.
The thresholds are high enough that the EU cannot lash out whenever Britain takes any step to make itself more competitive."
The article also reminds us of some of the upsides.
In reality until divergence occurs and both the deal and the NI Protocol are thereby stress tested we won't know
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The EU is not the world despite what some seem to think, so it may make economic sense depending on the sector.rick_chasey said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but if divergence isn’t possible without sanctions than what is the point?Stevo_666 said:
I don't think so.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
This article explains the limits on EU 'retaliation' pretty well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/30/have-economic-legal-independence-now-must-loosen-eus-chokeholds/
Quote: "Brussels will have to prove its point before an independent panel before it can retaliate. Divergence must be “material” and based on evidence of damage suffered rather than “mere conjecture”. Sanctions must be proportional. “The mechanism is exceptionally restricted in its scope,” said Prof David Collins, a WTO specialist writing for Politeia.
The thresholds are high enough that the EU cannot lash out whenever Britain takes any step to make itself more competitive."
The article also reminds us of some of the upsides.
That's ignoring all the requirements for tariffs.
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So, how much did the EU generate to spend? Not through contributions, but genererate.ddraver said:
Abusing or pointing out how/why they are wrong?shortfall said:
You don't think a bunch of millionaire Remainer luvvies abusing Cornish fisherman might have been a bad look if you were trying to win hearts and minds before a really momentous vote?elbowloh said:
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".
Again, these people are about to learn quite how wrong they are and it's going to hurt far more than a bruised ego...
(The best thing the Remain campaign could've done down 'ere is put an EU flag on all the stuff in Cornwall paid for by the EU...)
Don't need an exact figure. To the nearest zero will do.
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As a net contributor to the EU they should surely have put a Union jack on it.ddraver said:
Abusing or pointing out how/why they are wrong?shortfall said:
You don't think a bunch of millionaire Remainer luvvies abusing Cornish fisherman might have been a bad look if you were trying to win hearts and minds before a really momentous vote?elbowloh said:
But the OP said:ballysmate said:I
elbowloh said:
But he's a popstar. He doesn't represent the EU in anyway. If anyone did vote leave because of that, then you'd be completely right to call them an idiot wouldn't you?ballysmate said:
An Irishman telling Brexiters to fcuk off as a means to persuade them to stay?tailwindhome said:
Now. That's irony.shortfall said:That sort of attitude was personified by Bob Geldof and his showbiz mates flipping the bird to those fishermen on the Thames which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote.
I wasn't commenting on his capabilities as a campaigner, but the irony.
"which I'm sure was a big reason among many why Remain lost the vote".
Again, these people are about to learn quite how wrong they are and it's going to hurt far more than a bruised ego...
(The best thing the Remain campaign could've done down 'ere is put an EU flag on all the stuff in Cornwall paid for by the EU...)3 -
They are talking about different things. One is about divergence (one side raises its standards), the other is about regression below the agreed starting point.tailwindhome said:
This seems to be be a matter of legal debateStevo_666 said:
I don't think so.rick_chasey said:
Basically this I think is the realityrick_chasey said:https://ukandeu.ac.uk/british-sovereignty-run-by-europe/
Some law professor looks at the deal from a divergence perspective.
The site claims independence in the Brexit issue so take your own view.
This article explains the limits on EU 'retaliation' pretty well:
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/12/30/have-economic-legal-independence-now-must-loosen-eus-chokeholds/
Quote: "Brussels will have to prove its point before an independent panel before it can retaliate. Divergence must be “material” and based on evidence of damage suffered rather than “mere conjecture”. Sanctions must be proportional. “The mechanism is exceptionally restricted in its scope,” said Prof David Collins, a WTO specialist writing for Politeia.
The thresholds are high enough that the EU cannot lash out whenever Britain takes any step to make itself more competitive."
The article also reminds us of some of the upsides.
In reality until divergence occurs and both the deal and the NI Protocol are thereby stress tested we won't know
Also, if you can only claim proportional damages, then the matter needs to be material, otherwise it wouldn't worth the cost of bothering.2
