BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1339481206824574977?s=21

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1339485972933849089?s=21

Any chnce of those words being joined together into coherent sentences? It looks like someone has just spilled random words into a Tweet.

That is how Twitter works, the only thing unusual in this case is that it is not a random person spilling random words

Yeah, it was only ever intended for quick comments but those who seem addicted with it now treat it as a full scale blog in keeping with their ego.

coopster_the_1st

kingstongraham said:

EU meeting to approve has been brought forward to Monday 21st December. Key difference is they are not doing an emergency use authorisation, they are doing a regular approval straight off.

It does feel a bit strange to prioritise the touchy feely needs of anti vaxxers when there isn't even enough vaccine for those that want it.

Amazing how the EU changes when Germany tells it what to do.

ddraver

We're at the "What you should say, what you shouldn't say"in part of our training...

This is going to be a struggle for me 😤

Edit- I wish I could show you the list of 'questions pending response' Vs questions we're allowed to answer. needless to say the former is 3 or 4 times the size.

We go live next Monday...with 9 days to go... 😶

coopster_the_1st

coopster_the_1st said:

kingstongraham said:

EU meeting to approve has been brought forward to Monday 21st December. Key difference is they are not doing an emergency use authorisation, they are doing a regular approval straight off.

It does feel a bit strange to prioritise the touchy feely needs of anti vaxxers when there isn't even enough vaccine for those that want it.

Amazing how the EU changes when Germany tells it what to do.

It seems European Commission President Ursula von der Liar has gone ahead and approved the vaccine for use across the nations in the EU. That wasn't hard was it!

TheBigBean

Reading all the various updates, I think the EU does need to give up on the fish and bung some money the way of fishermen who lose out.

tailwindhome

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

Reading all the various updates, I think the EU does need to give up on the fish and bung some money the way of fishermen who lose out.

if 80% of the current UK quota is already in the hands of foreign boats then can we devise rules that means new quotas only go to British boats landing in the UK? if so then a small increase in our overall quota would have a disproportionate impact on the UK fishing industry.

ddraver

ddraver said:

We're at the "What you should say, what you shouldn't say"in part of our training...

This is going to be a struggle for me 😤

Edit- I wish I could show you the list of 'questions pending response' Vs questions we're allowed to answer. needless to say the former is 3 or 4 times the size.

We go live next Monday...with 9 days to go... 😶

One if the pending questions, for example, "Do military goods require an Export Licence to move between NI:GB"

This seems like rather low hanging fruit...

rick_chasey

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

That would require Boris to lose one of his faces.

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

Reading all the various updates, I think the EU does need to give up on the fish and bung some money the way of fishermen who lose out.

if 80% of the current UK quota is already in the hands of foreign boats then can we devise rules that means new quotas only go to British boats landing in the UK? if so then a small increase in our overall quota would have a disproportionate impact on the UK fishing industry.

The EU doesn't like such rules.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

Reading all the various updates, I think the EU does need to give up on the fish and bung some money the way of fishermen who lose out.

if 80% of the current UK quota is already in the hands of foreign boats then can we devise rules that means new quotas only go to British boats landing in the UK? if so then a small increase in our overall quota would have a disproportionate impact on the UK fishing industry.

The EU doesn't like such rules.

Well yeah then everyone would want the same exception

coopster_the_1st

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

No extension. This is the EU's problem and for them to solve alone.

TheBigBean

rick_chasey said:

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

Reading all the various updates, I think the EU does need to give up on the fish and bung some money the way of fishermen who lose out.

if 80% of the current UK quota is already in the hands of foreign boats then can we devise rules that means new quotas only go to British boats landing in the UK? if so then a small increase in our overall quota would have a disproportionate impact on the UK fishing industry.

The EU doesn't like such rules.

Well yeah then everyone would want the same exception

Every country outside the EU does have the same exception. The UK is now out of the EU.

tailwindhome

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

Deal would be provisionally in place and ratified later I'd imagine rather than extending the transition period

JRM reckons the UK need 6 days... 3 to write the bill, 1 day in Parliament, 1 in the Lords and 1 for Royal Assent

Worth remembering these are the people claimed the WA needed binned as they hadn't time to scrutinise it.

surrey_commuter

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

Deal would be provisionally in place and ratified later I'd imagine rather than extending the transition period

JRM reckons the UK need 6 days... 3 to write the bill, 1 day in Parliament, 1 in the Lords and 1 for Royal Assent

Worth remembering these are the people claimed the WA needed binned as they hadn't time to scrutinise it.

Somebody posted a video which had a minor clip of Boris being skewered by Andrew Neill. Interesting point is that he was skewered on some GATT regulation that you could ignore WTO rules for a short period of time if both sides agree.

darkhairedlord

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

Deal would be provisionally in place and ratified later I'd imagine rather than extending the transition period

JRM reckons the UK need 6 days... 3 to write the bill, 1 day in Parliament, 1 in the Lords and 1 for Royal Assent

Worth remembering these are the people claimed the WA needed binned as they hadn't time to scrutinise it.

Somebody posted a video which had a minor clip of Boris being skewered by Andrew Neill. Interesting point is that he was skewered on some GATT regulation that you could ignore WTO rules for a short period of time if both sides agree.

Is that the one where you can trade tariff free or outside of wto rules if negotiating a trade agreement.

john80

The problem is one of clarity. So lets say we agree to a 2 month suspension of tariffs as we are still negotiating. What do the companies do that did not make sales over the transition and what will they do at the next deadline. The majority of business at this point probably don't care about the outcome but just want there to be a clear outcome.

tailwindhome

surrey_commuter said:

tailwindhome said:

rick_chasey said:

tailwindhome said:

EP say if you want a deal ratified before 31st have it agreed for 21st.

Surely they’ll extend for a month or whatever on the proviso a deal is done?

Deal would be provisionally in place and ratified later I'd imagine rather than extending the transition period

JRM reckons the UK need 6 days... 3 to write the bill, 1 day in Parliament, 1 in the Lords and 1 for Royal Assent

Worth remembering these are the people claimed the WA needed binned as they hadn't time to scrutinise it.

Somebody posted a video which had a minor clip of Boris being skewered by Andrew Neill. Interesting point is that he was skewered on some GATT regulation that you could ignore WTO rules for a short period of time if both sides agree.

Gatt24 is, as I understand it, about operating under a trade deal already agreed but not ratified

Not as Boris thought, a clever wheeze to leave the EU but have everything still stay the same.

tailwindhome

Yeah, here's the clip

"Get the detail right"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407



So many libtard tears eh?

kingstongraham

tailwindhome said:

Yeah, here's the clip

"Get the detail right"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407



So many libtard tears eh?

Fair play to him, he has impeccable comic timing.

john80

tailwindhome said:

Yeah, here's the clip

"Get the detail right"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407



So many libtard tears eh?

I don't really get Andrew Neils gotcha moment. At the beginning Boris freely concedes that both parties have to mutually agree. He then goes onto quote article 5C stating that both sides have to agree the shape of a deal and some timescales. Is the shape of that deal not in some form after 4 years of process and is it so hard for both parties to agree a timescale. The reality is that if a deal is agreed between both parties and not ratified then it is logical to conclude that this would meet the terms of 5C.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

tailwindhome said:

Yeah, here's the clip

"Get the detail right"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407



So many libtard tears eh?

I don't really get Andrew Neils gotcha moment. At the beginning Boris freely concedes that both parties have to mutually agree. He then goes onto quote article 5C stating that both sides have to agree the shape of a deal and some timescales. Is the shape of that deal not in some form after 4 years of process and is it so hard for both parties to agree a timescale. The reality is that if a deal is agreed between both parties and not ratified then it is logical to conclude that this would meet the terms of 5C.

"Do you know what is in 5C?"

It reminds me of Peter O'Hanarha-hanrahan: https://youtu.be/7Bq_dkPkQUU

surrey_commuter

john80 said:

tailwindhome said:

Yeah, here's the clip

"Get the detail right"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407



So many libtard tears eh?

I don't really get Andrew Neils gotcha moment. At the beginning Boris freely concedes that both parties have to mutually agree. He then goes onto quote article 5C stating that both sides have to agree the shape of a deal and some timescales. Is the shape of that deal not in some form after 4 years of process and is it so hard for both parties to agree a timescale. The reality is that if a deal is agreed between both parties and not ratified then it is logical to conclude that this would meet the terms of 5C.

The interview was back in July when Boris was claiming he would use it as a clever wheeze. Boris thought he was so clever and having so much fun he did not hear the gate shutting behind him. Interesting that he had no shame when firmly hoist.

They used to work together at The Spectator and A.N. used to intellectually bounce him off the walls

surrey_commuter

john80 said:

The problem is one of clarity. So lets say we agree to a 2 month suspension of tariffs as we are still negotiating. What do the companies do that did not make sales over the transition and what will they do at the next deadline. The majority of business at this point probably don't care about the outcome but just want there to be a clear outcome.

I imagine most of them would rather they took another two months and agreed the best possible trade deal rather than an on-time no-deal.

darkhairedlord

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

The problem is one of clarity. So lets say we agree to a 2 month suspension of tariffs as we are still negotiating. What do the companies do that did not make sales over the transition and what will they do at the next deadline. The majority of business at this point probably don't care about the outcome but just want there to be a clear outcome.

I imagine most of them would rather they took another two months and agreed the best possible trade deal rather than an on-time no-deal.

MuSt saTe thE GAMMON

john80

kingstongraham said:

john80 said:

tailwindhome said:

Yeah, here's the clip

"Get the detail right"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48971407



So many libtard tears eh?

I don't really get Andrew Neils gotcha moment. At the beginning Boris freely concedes that both parties have to mutually agree. He then goes onto quote article 5C stating that both sides have to agree the shape of a deal and some timescales. Is the shape of that deal not in some form after 4 years of process and is it so hard for both parties to agree a timescale. The reality is that if a deal is agreed between both parties and not ratified then it is logical to conclude that this would meet the terms of 5C.

"Do you know what is in 5C?"

It reminds me of Peter O'Hanarha-hanrahan: https://youtu.be/7Bq_dkPkQUU

Was Andrew Neil misinterpreting the wording of 5c.

coopster_the_1st

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1339627177835425797

tailwindhome

"Partnership Agreement"

Pross

Bridging fisheries is challenging apparently.