BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,230
    Post truth politics. See BoJo, or de Pfellel as I prefer to refer to him, and his voxpop performance yesterday.

    What do you get when journalists get into positions of power and responsibility? You get them spouting the same BS they did/do in their 'news'paper columns. Picket the Russian embassy? Really? Where's the Stop The War coalition? Erm, we are not at war in Syria pal, thank your deity of choice.

    Would be funny if were not so depressing. Statesman-like performance? Had thought our dear leader TM put that bozo into a role where he would be bound to fall flat on his well fed face. Now I'm not so sure, she might be too far down the dingbat road herself...

    Anyway, off to Euroland tomorrow, at 1.11 to the £ if we're lucky. I will enjoy the Belgian beer, 'cos I'm worth it.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Well I've just had a row with Matt Lawton from the Heil. What a fucking c*nt.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,329
    Joelsim wrote:
    Well I've just had a row with Matt Lawton from the Heil. What a ******* c*nt.

    Don't worry, here's a picture of my cat who adopted me. That'll cheer you up.

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    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    I've just had a text from my brother about Marmite. I posted this, but it's too close to home.

    There seems to be a dearth of fuckwits on the Remain/EU threads tonight now that Marmite is in danger.

    Has the penny dropped?

    (Clearly the pound has).

    Obviously the Unilever thing is pretty big.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    In my bubble both at work (and I speak to a lot of people at work) and my friends; everyone's totally bewildered.

    We can't really believe these people exist, let alone that we're in the minority.

    It's an odd feeling; that there are all these people who will willingly hurt people like me politically.
    _
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    Joelsim wrote:
    Well I've just had a row with Matt Lawton from the Heil. What a ******* c*nt.

    You do enjoy a twitter spat don't you boi... :lol:
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Fortunately Ben and Jerrys is potentially less divisive and, one might think, that this will really hurt the 52%. Or are the 48% more likely to be left leaning Ben and Jerry's original vision subscribers? Or did they leave because of Unilever. Or are the 48% really more into Haagen Dazs?

    Ben & Jerrys meh, hasnt been the same for years, they make frogurt now for gawd sake, and you cant buy Cherry Garcia or Chunky Monkey anywhere.

    but on the marmite thing, obv media obsession, but can anyone explain how currency fluctuations impact something still made in the UK, using only UK sourced ingredients...what do they do import the jars from France ?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    awavey wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Fortunately Ben and Jerrys is potentially less divisive and, one might think, that this will really hurt the 52%. Or are the 48% more likely to be left leaning Ben and Jerry's original vision subscribers? Or did they leave because of Unilever. Or are the 48% really more into Haagen Dazs?

    Ben & Jerrys meh, hasnt been the same for years, they make frogurt now for gawd sake, and you cant buy Cherry Garcia or Chunky Monkey anywhere.

    but on the marmite thing, obv media obsession, but can anyone explain how currency fluctuations impact something still made in the UK, using only UK sourced ingredients...what do they do import the jars from France ?

    Maybe they are seizing it an opportunity to push through price increase.

    Or their energy costs have jumped 20% with more to come. Maybe their supplier have bumped prices because the foreign competition have.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    awavey wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    Fortunately Ben and Jerrys is potentially less divisive and, one might think, that this will really hurt the 52%. Or are the 48% more likely to be left leaning Ben and Jerry's original vision subscribers? Or did they leave because of Unilever. Or are the 48% really more into Haagen Dazs?

    Ben & Jerrys meh, hasnt been the same for years, they make frogurt now for gawd sake, and you cant buy Cherry Garcia or Chunky Monkey anywhere.

    but on the marmite thing, obv media obsession, but can anyone explain how currency fluctuations impact something still made in the UK, using only UK sourced ingredients...what do they do import the jars from France ?

    Maybe they are seizing it an opportunity to push through price increase.

    Or their energy costs have jumped 20% with more to come. Maybe their supplier have bumped prices because the foreign competition have.

    Edit: they might lse have products that should go up more than 10% so they have capped all at 10%. Or Tesco are playing the situation to look like the consumers champion
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,427
    The prices of a lot of things we buy varies based on a number of factors including exchange rate, supply, demand, taxes, etc. Its nothing too unusual and I can't see civil disobedience or a reversal of the referendum result breaking out over more expensive marmite and persil.

    Its another case of people seizing on a very specific issue (which may well have other factors involved as mentioned above) as 'proof' that we're doomed.

    First Fujitsu, now marmite. I fear for the UK :D
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    Why doesn't an MP bring a private members' bill to prevent May triggering article 50 or whatever without debate if they care that much?

    The Iraq war is a perfect precedent.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36329178

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/wes ... t-11852353

    so, fujitsu say twice, pre and post brexit vote they ll review, they then review and cut 1800 over the next 12 months or so.... yet it has nothing to do with Brexit ... really?

    we are having our meetings tomo,where all will be revealed....
    you sound like a typical head in the sands Outer tbh or rather a Theresa-sit on the fence until i see which way the wind blows-May
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The prices of a lot of things we buy varies based on a number of factors including exchange rate, supply, demand, taxes, etc. Its nothing too unusual and I can't see civil disobedience or a reversal of the referendum result breaking out over more expensive marmite and persil.

    Its another case of people seizing on a very specific issue (which may well have other factors involved as mentioned above) as 'proof' that we're doomed.

    First Fujitsu, now marmite. I fear for the UK :D

    I suspect the media thinks that the British public can only understand the issue if it is put in terms of the price of Marmite.

    I am getting concerned by the double whammy of rising inflation and falling demand. This could lead to a rise in interest rates and/or a significant worsening of Govt finances.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mamba80 wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36329178

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/wes ... t-11852353

    so, fujitsu say twice, pre and post brexit vote they ll review, they then review and cut 1800 over the next 12 months or so.... yet it has nothing to do with Brexit ... really?

    we are having our meetings tomo,where all will be revealed....
    you sound like a typical head in the sands Outer tbh or rather a Theresa-sit on the fence until i see which way the wind blows-May

    there is a lack of empathy on this site - so I would like to wish you good luck in your meeting tomorrow
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    This is spot on IMO.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/ther ... the-block/
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Joelsim wrote:
    This is spot on IMO.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/ther ... the-block/

    when I read an obvious untruth such as " Tory press are behind her" I tend to discount the rest of the article.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    This is spot on IMO.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/ther ... the-block/

    when I read an obvious untruth such as " Tory press are behind her" I tend to discount the rest of the article.

    Tory press are behind her, but the Spectator isn't?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    This is spot on IMO.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/ther ... the-block/

    when I read an obvious untruth such as " Tory press are behind her" I tend to discount the rest of the article.

    Tory press are behind her, but the Spectator isn't?

    How can the term "Tory Press not include The Times? and that seems to be setting itself up as the leader of le resistance. It feels that every day there is a front page article and then 2 pages inside dedicated to pulling her and the Brexiteers apart.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    This is spot on IMO.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/ther ... the-block/

    when I read an obvious untruth such as " Tory press are behind her" I tend to discount the rest of the article.

    Tory press are behind her, but the Spectator isn't?

    How can the term "Tory Press not include The Times? and that seems to be setting itself up as the leader of le resistance. It feels that every day there is a front page article and then 2 pages inside dedicated to pulling her and the Brexiteers apart.

    I personally don't think The Times is biased. In the same way that I don't think the BBC is biased. Clearly The Mail, Express and Sun are as well as The Telegraph.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    This is spot on IMO.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/ther ... the-block/

    when I read an obvious untruth such as " Tory press are behind her" I tend to discount the rest of the article.

    Tory press are behind her, but the Spectator isn't?

    How can the term "Tory Press not include The Times? and that seems to be setting itself up as the leader of le resistance. It feels that every day there is a front page article and then 2 pages inside dedicated to pulling her and the Brexiteers apart.

    I think it says "the know-nothing Tory papers". That sounds like the Mail to me. The Times has not been unwaveringly Conservative supporting like the Mail and the Telegraph.

    You do have to take the news and front pages with a large pinch of salt, but The Times comment pieces are mostly well thought out. (Except Melanie Philips usually.)
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    edited October 2016
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The prices of a lot of things we buy varies based on a number of factors including exchange rate, supply, demand, taxes, etc. Its nothing too unusual and I can't see civil disobedience or a reversal of the referendum result breaking out over more expensive marmite and persil.

    Its another case of people seizing on a very specific issue (which may well have other factors involved as mentioned above) as 'proof' that we're doomed.

    First Fujitsu, now marmite. I fear for the UK :D

    I suspect the media thinks that the British public can only understand the issue if it is put in terms of the price of Marmite.

    I am getting concerned by the double whammy of rising inflation and falling demand. This could lead to a rise in interest rates and/or a significant worsening of Govt finances.

    Firstly a rise in inflation and interest rates is more likely to be a good thing rather than a bad thing. Inflation has been below the BoE target of 2% for about two years now. It should put a stop to QE if nothing else.

    Where is the evidence of falling demand, I haven't seen that mentioned before (genuine question, not doubting your knowledge)

    The Lord Distribution Guru on Newsnight last night reckoned that the Unilever dispute will end with a 5% price hike for the customer. When that happens other distributors will follow suit and the deep discount stores like Aldi and Lidl will be in trouble as they can no longer offer the discounts that make them attractive. The whole basket of goods will rise, and when increases in oil prices hit (which they will - they've been really low for a long time) then we will get our winter of discontent part 2.

    Presumably Poundland will become Guinealand.*

    *This is not racist - it's a reference to predecimalisation money
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Just watching Sturgeon's speech.

    Very hard-nosed against the Tories, and rightly so.

    Scottish Independence Bill to be published next week for consultation. Leaving the single market will mean a new vote on independence.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited October 2016
    mrfpb wrote:
    Firstly a rise in inflation and interest rates is more likely to be a good thing rather than a bad thing. Inflation has been below the BoE target of 2% for about two years now. It should put a stop to QE if nothing else.

    That entirely depends on the cause of inflation.

    Usually it's aggregate demand increasing, in which case, yay.

    AD-shifts-test.png - moving along the curve.

    This ain't that.

    It'll likely be stagflation, which isn't good. (supply curve moving upwards).
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36329178

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/wes ... t-11852353

    so, fujitsu say twice, pre and post brexit vote they ll review, they then review and cut 1800 over the next 12 months or so.... yet it has nothing to do with Brexit ... really?

    we are having our meetings tomo,where all will be revealed....
    you sound like a typical head in the sands Outer tbh or rather a Theresa-sit on the fence until i see which way the wind blows-May

    there is a lack of empathy on this site - so I would like to wish you good luck in your meeting tomorrow

    thanks SC, cant see it not effecting us, pre vote, some EU IT help desks moved back to Euroland. but hey, i can "take back control" (of my CV....... )

    the only only light i can see is that a telecoms supplier has out sourced its field division and that is opportunities for us, well me (hopefully) as they ve a decent contract just down the road.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mrfpb wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The prices of a lot of things we buy varies based on a number of factors including exchange rate, supply, demand, taxes, etc. Its nothing too unusual and I can't see civil disobedience or a reversal of the referendum result breaking out over more expensive marmite and persil.

    Its another case of people seizing on a very specific issue (which may well have other factors involved as mentioned above) as 'proof' that we're doomed.

    First Fujitsu, now marmite. I fear for the UK :D

    I suspect the media thinks that the British public can only understand the issue if it is put in terms of the price of Marmite.

    I am getting concerned by the double whammy of rising inflation and falling demand. This could lead to a rise in interest rates and/or a significant worsening of Govt finances.

    Firstly a rise in inflation and interest rates is more likely to be a good thing rather than a bad thing. Inflation has been below the BoE target of 2% for about two years now. It should put a stop to QE if nothing else.
    Where is the evidence of falling demand, I haven't seen that mentioned before (genuine question, not doubting your knowledge)
    I agree that inflation can be healthy. Inflation usually goes up because demand exceeds supply, so you put up interest rates to cut demand. In this case we will have imported inflation (ie not through economy doing well) so upping interest rates will further depress the economy. Letting inflation go above 3% will mean pensions and public sector pay go up so further screwing public finances. Prices rising faster than wages means demand falls
    The Lord Distribution Guru on Newsnight last night reckoned that the Unilever dispute will end with a 5% price hike for the customer. When that happens other distributors will follow suit and the deep discount stores like Aldi and Lidl will be in trouble as they can no longer offer the discounts that make them attractive. The whole basket of goods will rise, and when increases in oil prices hit (which they will - they've been really low for a long time) then we will get our winter of discontent part 2.

    Presumably Poundland will become Guinealand.*

    *This is not racist - it's a reference to predecimalisation money
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,618
    Joelsim wrote:
    Leaving the single market and a clear margin in favour of independence in the opinion polls will mean a new vote on independence.

    Sturgeon won't go for a referendum unless she thinks she's going to win it.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mamba80 wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36329178

    http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/wes ... t-11852353

    so, fujitsu say twice, pre and post brexit vote they ll review, they then review and cut 1800 over the next 12 months or so.... yet it has nothing to do with Brexit ... really?

    we are having our meetings tomo,where all will be revealed....
    you sound like a typical head in the sands Outer tbh or rather a Theresa-sit on the fence until i see which way the wind blows-May

    there is a lack of empathy on this site - so I would like to wish you good luck in your meeting tomorrow

    thanks SC, cant see it not effecting us, pre vote, some EU IT help desks moved back to Euroland. but hey, i can "take back control" (of my CV....... )

    the only only light i can see is that a telecoms supplier has out sourced its field division and that is opportunities for us, well me (hopefully) as they ve a decent contract just down the road.

    I agree - it has to effect the strategic thinking of all business leaders and has to make the difference in the case of marginal decisions
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Rick Chasey wrote:
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    So whilst I have happily ignored many of the other economic indicators do you think I am right to be worried about stagflation? if the price of oil goes up then coupled with the sinking pound and other Brexit related nervousness could we have the perfect storm?
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Wallace and Gromit wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Leaving the single market and a clear margin in favour of independence in the opinion polls will mean a new vote on independence.

    Sturgeon won't go for a referendum unless she thinks she's going to win it.

    Did you listen to her speech today?

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