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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Yes, I think Boris should get straight onto making sure that we aren't overpaying for any extra period of access as his top priority.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    'kin let 'em 'ave it
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    'kin let 'em 'ave it
    I am serious. There is no good time to Brexit so why not do it when disruption will be minimised.

    The nutters paying the piper certainly won’t see it as a reason to delay.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    So we don't have to keep hearing you whinging moaning tw@ts going on all the time.

    It will be worse for the EU with all their other problems so I am being charitable towards them. Although with your type I'm tempted to reverse my charity and dump them in it. All because you cannot keep your mouth shut!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    So we don't have to keep hearing you whinging moaning tw@ts going on all the time.

    It will be worse for the EU with all their other problems so I am being charitable towards them. Although with your type I'm tempted to reverse my charity and dump them in it. All because you cannot keep your mouth shut!
    Didn't realise it was up to you.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    'kin let 'em 'ave it
    I am serious. There is no good time to Brexit so why not do it when disruption will be minimised.

    The nutters paying the piper certainly won’t see it as a reason to delay.
    Because just when we are coming back from a depression maybe isn't the best time to needlessly impose extra costs.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    mrfpb said:

    I suppose you can class the civil services of both sides addressing a global pandemic and the head of one of the negotiating parties being in intensive care as "an administrative issue."

    As far as I'm aware, continued contributions by UK during delays to A.50 and end of transition are deducted from the "divorce bill" (the A.50 delays definitely are).

    IIRC Not so much deducted from but part of that headline figure
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    'kin let 'em 'ave it
    I am serious. There is no good time to Brexit so why not do it when disruption will be minimised.

    The nutters paying the piper certainly won’t see it as a reason to delay.
    Because just when we are coming back from a depression maybe isn't the best time to needlessly impose extra costs.
    Now I will be absolutely serious.

    Brexit has never been about the economy, it is a politically led debate about sovereignty. Until you can get your head around that you will not understand their thought process.

    If they cared about the economy or the financial well being of the population of the UK they would not have spent their lives campaigning to leave the EU.

    Now taking the above into consideration do you think that JRM and Cummings think that we need to postpone Brexit or take C19 as an opportunity to leave at the first possible moment.

    You only think that delaying is a good idea because you think that leaving is a bad idea.

    If you thought that leaving was a good idea then you would think delaying was a bad idea.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    coopster_the_1st said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    If you believe that the UK is held back by membership of the EU why would you want to delay leaving.
    With the economy already crushed surely a good time to deal with any potential disruption

    So we don't have to keep hearing you whinging moaning tw@ts going on all the time.

    It will be worse for the EU with all their other problems so I am being charitable towards them. Although with your type I'm tempted to reverse my charity and dump them in it. All because you cannot keep your mouth shut!
    where is the w@nker emoji when you need it?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Copy & paste?
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158


    The French are now going for a policy of less Global, less EU and more French. The UK has got out before "merde frappe le ventilateur"
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Protectionism appears to be the biggest trend post virus.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    kingstongraham said:

    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

    He may have missed Andrew Neil’s sarcasm
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    kingstongraham said:

    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

    Seems like you are reading what you only want to read in a very poor attempt to dismiss the message Macron said.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

    Seems like you are reading what you only want to read in a very poor attempt to dismiss the message Macron said.
    I haven't seen what Macron said, just what Neil said. Do you have a link to the relevant speech?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

    Seems like you are reading what you only want to read in a very poor attempt to dismiss the message Macron said.
    I haven't seen what Macron said, just what Neil said. Do you have a link to the relevant speech?
    I don't, but are you questioning Andrew Neil's integrity?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,558
    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

    Seems like you are reading what you only want to read in a very poor attempt to dismiss the message Macron said.
    I haven't seen what Macron said, just what Neil said. Do you have a link to the relevant speech?
    I don't, but are you questioning Andrew Neil's integrity?
    It's not a question of his integrity, but he has a point of view the same as the rest of us and like you and everyone else on this forum he is posting up something which he thinks supports that view. It's always good to go back to the primary source and see if you agree with how it's been presented, though.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    kingstongraham said:

    You say France might start favouring food produced in France?

    Seems like you are reading what you only want to read in a very poor attempt to dismiss the message Macron said.
    I haven't seen what Macron said, just what Neil said. Do you have a link to the relevant speech?
    I don't, but are you questioning Andrew Neil's integrity?
    It's quite a short summary of something that might be more nuanced.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    It is a lot more nuanced, and obviously focussed on rebuilding the French economy. Starting at 23:30 to 25:00. I'm not 100% convinced by the translation only mentioning Europe as "we also need to do it at the European level" rather than the subtitles which say "plus d'autonomie strategique pour notre Europe".

    https://youtu.be/70nbxuzFg1Y?t=1411
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

    What's going on here? If we still need to fly in 90,000 farm workers when there are literally millions of British people not working, what was the point?

    Possibly the usual unremitting positivity of the Guardian?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/15/hundreds-romanian-fruit-veg-pickers-flown-travel-restrictions/

    Maybe not 90,000
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,421
    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

    What's going on here? If we still need to fly in 90,000 farm workers when there are literally millions of British people not working, what was the point?

    Possibly the usual unremitting positivity of the Guardian?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/15/hundreds-romanian-fruit-veg-pickers-flown-travel-restrictions/

    Maybe not 90,000
    Why is this in the Brexit thread? The travel restrictions are COVID related.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

    What's going on here? If we still need to fly in 90,000 farm workers when there are literally millions of British people not working, what was the point?

    Possibly the usual unremitting positivity of the Guardian?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/15/hundreds-romanian-fruit-veg-pickers-flown-travel-restrictions/

    Maybe not 90,000
    Why is this in the Brexit thread? The travel restrictions are COVID related.
    They're having to fly hundreds into the country despite the current restrictions because they can't get enough British people to do the work despite the tens of thousands who have lost their jobs in recent weeks is how I read it?

    There was an argument by Brexit supporters that we didn't need EU immigrants other than cherry picking those who are highly skilled. British jobs for British workers and all that. This seems to suggest we'll still be reliant on 'unskilled' migrant workers.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Pross said:

    There was an argument by Brexit supporters that we didn't need EU immigrants other than cherry picking those who are highly skilled.

    Obviously that should read "other than those who are highly skilled cherry pickers"
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,421
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/28/fruit-and-veg-will-run-out-unless-britain-charters-planes-to-fly-in-farm-workers-from-eastern-europe

    What's going on here? If we still need to fly in 90,000 farm workers when there are literally millions of British people not working, what was the point?

    Possibly the usual unremitting positivity of the Guardian?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/15/hundreds-romanian-fruit-veg-pickers-flown-travel-restrictions/

    Maybe not 90,000
    Why is this in the Brexit thread? The travel restrictions are COVID related.
    They're having to fly hundreds into the country despite the current restrictions because they can't get enough British people to do the work despite the tens of thousands who have lost their jobs in recent weeks is how I read it?

    There was an argument by Brexit supporters that we didn't need EU immigrants other than cherry picking those who are highly skilled. British jobs for British workers and all that. This seems to suggest we'll still be reliant on 'unskilled' migrant workers.
    OK, but its still in the wrong thread.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited April 2020
    You don’t remember the farming and imported labour discussions, Stevo?

    I see the U.K. is still sticking to its - “done by 2020” position.

    I guess the most optimistic way of reading that is to say the U.K. wants the EU to push for the extension for domestic optics, but it looks pretty stupid to me.
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    You don’t remember the farming and imported labour discussions, Stevo?

    I see the U.K. is still sticking to its - “done by 2020” position.

    I guess the most optimistic way of reading that is to say the U.K. wants the EU to push for the extension for domestic optics, but it looks pretty stupid to me.

    That is because you think Brexit is a bad idea.

    Put yourself in their shoes - if you cared about the impact on the economy then you would not have supported it.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    You don’t remember the farming and imported labour discussions, Stevo?

    I see the U.K. is still sticking to its - “done by 2020” position.

    I guess the most optimistic way of reading that is to say the U.K. wants the EU to push for the extension for domestic optics, but it looks pretty stupid to me.

    That is because you think Brexit is a bad idea.

    Put yourself in their shoes - if you cared about the impact on the economy then you would not have supported it.
    Arguably, if you care more about perception than any potentially negative impacts: Now is the perfect time, as any negative economic impacts will be difficult to distinguish from virus impacts.

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