BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Well the tories have stripped worker right protection, the role of parliament etc from the withdrawal act. Back to an elected dictatorship. Is anyone clear who exactly sl these new tory MP's are? It could all blow up in the tories face again at some point. Far to early to say if poltics has settled down. The opposition parties with there dither one one side and principled and ineffective opposition on the other have effectively surrendered power to the conservatives and which conservatives is yet to become clear.
I wonder how the SNP thing going to play out. For now the lid maybe on but is pressure going to build or dissapate when the money taps open a bit.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0 -
Exactly, this is where the different ideologies get interesting.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
The left leaning Brexit supporter believes this wage growth will see a change in revenue distribution.
Free marketeers will allow the market to sort the problem. I.e. cheaper imports will replace uncompetitive uk products.0 -
Talks to restore the Stormont Assembly ground to a halt yesterday with Secretary of State Julian Smith making it public that the DUP are holding things up.
You may recall Julian Smith from his previous role as Chief Whip trying to get May's deal through.
Spite never sleeps
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Free marketeering and protectionism always come as a package.rick_chasey said:Bloody free marketeers, only free market when it suits them.
Stevo continues his anti-competitive traits at every opportunity. This week; competition for labour from mobile workers from around the globe.
US = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
EU = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
China, ditto.
The JRM model of totally free market is a truly exceptional model. The 3 globally successfully free markets are all huge players with lots of protection.
GB is Taking a bold path considering its dependency on imports.
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Maybe Rick should look at the anti-competitive trade barriers put up by the EU?morstar said:
Free marketeering and protectionism always come as a package.rick_chasey said:Bloody free marketeers, only free market when it suits them.
Stevo continues his anti-competitive traits at every opportunity. This week; competition for labour from mobile workers from around the globe.
US = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
EU = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
China, ditto.
The JRM model of totally free market is a truly exceptional model. The 3 globally successfully free markets are all huge players with lots of protection.
GB is Taking a bold path considering its dependency on imports."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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More importantly, he's wearing the Gulf version of the Tag Heuer Monaco. Not sure I'd buy one but I respect his choice.tailwindhome said:Talks to restore the Stormont Assembly ground to a halt yesterday with Secretary of State Julian Smith making it public that the DUP are holding things up.
You may recall Julian Smith from his previous role as Chief Whip trying to get May's deal through.
Spite never sleeps0 -
Good bit of whataboutery. Is there many UK manufacturers of phones that I could buy that are employing people at a low wage. Maybe focus on the stuff that employs a lot of UK workers.kingstongraham said:
I assume you don't have a mobile phone.john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
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So BoJo going for hard Brexit.
Is looking to remove the worker rights protections too by the looks of it.0 -
Ah, are you of the autarky persuasion?john80 said:
Good bit of whataboutery. Is there many UK manufacturers of phones that I could buy that are employing people at a low wage. Maybe focus on the stuff that employs a lot of UK workers.kingstongraham said:
I assume you don't have a mobile phone.john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
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Sounds like you are swing towards remainStevo_666 said:
Maybe Rick should look at the anti-competitive trade barriers put up by the EU?morstar said:
Free marketeering and protectionism always come as a package.rick_chasey said:Bloody free marketeers, only free market when it suits them.
Stevo continues his anti-competitive traits at every opportunity. This week; competition for labour from mobile workers from around the globe.
US = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
EU = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
China, ditto.
The JRM model of totally free market is a truly exceptional model. The 3 globally successfully free markets are all huge players with lots of protection.
GB is Taking a bold path considering its dependency on imports.
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No I honestly think that a large percentage of the UK population take a me first approach to life and if we are being honest it probably is worst at the middle upwards where people definitely have the means to afford to make a value judgement. Asking those at the bottom to make value judgements when those mainly buying the services or goods for which they are employed clearly don't give a toss is a bit rich.Longshot said:
You honestly think that most people make those kind of value judgements on a day to day basis? You honestly think that a lot of people can afford to make those kind of value judgements on a day to day basis?john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
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In which case you probably ought not to vote for parties who are keen on reducing worker's rights in order to improve broader profits.john80 said:
No I honestly think that a large percentage of the UK population take a me first approach to life and if we are being honest it probably is worst at the middle upwards where people definitely have the means to afford to make a value judgement. Asking those at the bottom to make value judgements when those mainly buying the services or goods for which they are employed clearly don't give a toss is a bit rich.Longshot said:
You honestly think that most people make those kind of value judgements on a day to day basis? You honestly think that a lot of people can afford to make those kind of value judgements on a day to day basis?john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
Like what the Tories are literally doing now.0 -
My point is that they all do that. Total free market ideology is a myth. All of the big free markets make internal trade free whilst having barriers externally to leverage their might and trade externally on preferable terms.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe Rick should look at the anti-competitive trade barriers put up by the EU?morstar said:
Free marketeering and protectionism always come as a package.rick_chasey said:Bloody free marketeers, only free market when it suits them.
Stevo continues his anti-competitive traits at every opportunity. This week; competition for labour from mobile workers from around the globe.
US = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
EU = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
China, ditto.
The JRM model of totally free market is a truly exceptional model. The 3 globally successfully free markets are all huge players with lots of protection.
GB is Taking a bold path considering its dependency on imports.
Eu is no different to US or China in this regard.
Inward freedom, external protectionism.
It's nations behaving like large multinationals. A group of companies leverage their size to drive internal efficiencies and compete against others. This is perfectly natural behaviour.
What is odd is thinking removing all barriers will benefit a small player when it is clearly most advantageous to the larger organisations you are competing / trading with. Unless you have a really strong USP and positive trade balance.0 -
Then your point to which I was replying seems to be pointless?john80 said:
No I honestly think that a large percentage of the UK population take a me first approach to life and if we are being honest it probably is worst at the middle upwards where people definitely have the means to afford to make a value judgement. Asking those at the bottom to make value judgements when those mainly buying the services or goods for which they are employed clearly don't give a toss is a bit rich.Longshot said:
You honestly think that most people make those kind of value judgements on a day to day basis? You honestly think that a lot of people can afford to make those kind of value judgements on a day to day basis?john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
You are actually looking at this the wrong way round. Historically all countries have had trade barriers with all other countries, the post-war trend is to form trade blocs. Many assume the way forwards is for the trade blocs to cooperate and possibly merge. There are obviously outliers like North Korea and UK who do not subscribe to this theory.morstar said:
My point is that they all do that. Total free market ideology is a myth. All of the big free markets make internal trade free whilst having barriers externally to leverage their might and trade externally on preferable terms.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe Rick should look at the anti-competitive trade barriers put up by the EU?morstar said:
Free marketeering and protectionism always come as a package.rick_chasey said:Bloody free marketeers, only free market when it suits them.
Stevo continues his anti-competitive traits at every opportunity. This week; competition for labour from mobile workers from around the globe.
US = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
EU = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
China, ditto.
The JRM model of totally free market is a truly exceptional model. The 3 globally successfully free markets are all huge players with lots of protection.
GB is Taking a bold path considering its dependency on imports.
Eu is no different to US or China in this regard.
Inward freedom, external protectionism.
It's nations behaving like large multinationals. A group of companies leverage their size to drive internal efficiencies and compete against others. This is perfectly natural behaviour.
What is odd is thinking removing all barriers will benefit a small player when it is clearly most advantageous to the larger organisations you are competing / trading with. Unless you have a really strong USP and positive trade balance.
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One of the post referendum problems has been the perceived need to give important jobs to Brexit supporters which has inevitably led to total thickos getting promoted. With Boris’s big majority the Hope was that this would no longer be necessary. The word on the street is that the new guv’nor of the BofE must support Brexit. If Bailey gets the job then it will be another failure of our democratic process.0
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Sorry, you didn't make it clear that the moral judgement you want customers to make stops at the border.john80 said:
Good bit of whataboutery. Is there many UK manufacturers of phones that I could buy that are employing people at a low wage. Maybe focus on the stuff that employs a lot of UK workers.kingstongraham said:
I assume you don't have a mobile phone.john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
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anybody else old enough to remember the barrier to imports and buy British campaigns to support the like of the TV and car industries?kingstongraham said:
Sorry, you didn't make it clear that the moral judgement you want customers to make stops at the border.john80 said:
Good bit of whataboutery. Is there many UK manufacturers of phones that I could buy that are employing people at a low wage. Maybe focus on the stuff that employs a lot of UK workers.kingstongraham said:
I assume you don't have a mobile phone.john80 said:
The customer that wants to pay a rate for a product or service that ensures the worker receive so little money that they either choose not to work or are not able to support themselves and their family are probably the same customer that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.rick_chasey said:
At the expense of customers.Stevo_666 said:
Seem to recall reading that unskilled Labour would be allowed in (with certain conditions such as max duration of stay) where there is a clear sectoral need? If not then I guess supply and demand will make the unskilled jobs more attractive to the non-immigrant population as the going rate increases.kingstongraham said:Doesn't a purely skills based immigration policy leave the unskilled jobs for the non-immigrant population? Is that definitely the best option?
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I know I will get told off but it is almost as if only an idiot would support Brexitrick_chasey said:Bailey has it already.
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Bit late for that.surrey_commuter said:
Sounds like you are swing towards remainStevo_666 said:
Maybe Rick should look at the anti-competitive trade barriers put up by the EU?morstar said:
Free marketeering and protectionism always come as a package.rick_chasey said:Bloody free marketeers, only free market when it suits them.
Stevo continues his anti-competitive traits at every opportunity. This week; competition for labour from mobile workers from around the globe.
US = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
EU = internal free market, external barriers to inwards goods.
China, ditto.
The JRM model of totally free market is a truly exceptional model. The 3 globally successfully free markets are all huge players with lots of protection.
GB is Taking a bold path considering its dependency on imports.
The conversations about whether we should leave seem a bit pointless now. Stable doors and horses etc."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think that's what quite a few remainer mps said (Grieve, Ummuna, Gauke, Soubry etc) and they got 'told off' by the electorate.surrey_commuter said:
I know I will get told off but it is almost as if only an idiot would support Brexitrick_chasey said:Bailey has it already.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I miss these guys: "We say: yes to the Single Market. Yes to turbocharging free trade. Yes to working together where we are
stronger together than alone. Yes to a family of nation
states, all part of a European Union"0 -
Or these guys: "The European Union has done much to
reconcile the painful division of Europe and to
spread democracy and the rule of law across
our continent." "We believe Britain’s interests are best served
by membership of a European Union that is an
association of its Member States. "0 -
I think we're already OK for democracy and rule of law here in the UK. Although I can see why certain other European nations might have needed a bit of help in these areas.kingstongraham said:Or these guys: "The European Union has done much to
reconcile the painful division of Europe and to
spread democracy and the rule of law across
our continent." "We believe Britain’s interests are best served
by membership of a European Union that is an
association of its Member States. ""I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
But historically, if they are not doing so well it gets a bit awkward for us too.Stevo_666 said:
I think we're already OK for democracy and rule of law here in the UK. Although I can see why certain other European nations might have needed a bit of help in these areas.kingstongraham said:Or these guys: "The European Union has done much to
reconcile the painful division of Europe and to
spread democracy and the rule of law across
our continent." "We believe Britain’s interests are best served
by membership of a European Union that is an
association of its Member States. "0 -
apparently candidates were rejected for not being supportive of brexit. Bailey is currently head of the FCA and most consider him very lucky not to have been fired.rick_chasey said:Don't see the correlation re Bailey appointment, but I'm not really gonna disagree.
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does not mean they are not right to consider it to be an act of economic stupidityStevo_666 said:
I think that's what quite a few remainer mps said (Grieve, Ummuna, Gauke, Soubry etc) and they got 'told off' by the electorate.surrey_commuter said:
I know I will get told off but it is almost as if only an idiot would support Brexitrick_chasey said:Bailey has it already.
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