BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,107
    PM says he will give MPs more time to debate Brexit deal but only if they agree to 12 December general election

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50174402
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,293
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    @Pross ^^^We are already part way down the road by stealth.
    Paving the way for American insurance companies to step in once we’ve done a post Brexit “wonderful” deal with Trump.
    Happy to be proven wrong.
    What evidence do you have that this is going to happen?
    DYOR as ICBA
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,329
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    @Pross ^^^We are already part way down the road by stealth.
    Paving the way for American insurance companies to step in once we’ve done a post Brexit “wonderful” deal with Trump.
    Happy to be proven wrong.
    What evidence do you have that this is going to happen?
    DYOR as ICBA
    Your statement so you back it up. However to save you the effort, I'll just assume you no real evidence :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,513
    BJ calling for GE on 12/12.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,329
    rjsterry wrote:
    BJ calling for GE on 12/12.
    As mentioned above :wink:

    Bring it on...let's see if the lefties do indeed have bollox :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    BJ calling for GE on 12/12.
    As mentioned above :wink:

    Bring it on...let's see if the lefties do indeed have bollox :)

    they certainly talk it
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    PM says he will give MPs more time to debate Brexit deal but only if they agree to 12 December general election

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50174402

    Haven't the MPs already decided that they are going to take more time to debate it and Boris has no say in that matter?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,107
    Pross wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    PM says he will give MPs more time to debate Brexit deal but only if they agree to 12 December general election

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50174402

    Haven't the MPs already decided that they are going to take more time to debate it and Boris has no say in that matter?

    No, the MPs have rejected the breakneck speed, but no new timetable has been set. There is no debating going on, and it isn't on the timetable for next week. If he really wanted it passed as fast as possible, you'd think he would set a longer timetable - that would show the EU he was serious about getting this bill passed asap.

    I'm sure those who need to are reading, reviewing and digesting its implications now it has finally been published.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,430
    JPCampbellBiz
    @JP_Biz
    · 1h
    In the Dáil this afternoon Simon Coveney was making it clear to Ireland’s Labour Party leader that the Level Playing Field will be a prerequisite for a zero tariff, zero quota deal with the UK.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,329
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,430
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.

    I'd be surprised if it was anything other that the 31st Jan 2020
    If only as it's the path of least resistance and no further voting or discussion is required.

    Though I've seen a good argument for the EU saying 31st December 2020
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,107
    They are trying to call an election under the FTPA on Monday. Then try to get the Brexit bill passed before 6th November as part of pre-election "wash up". It's crazy.

    They've sent Rees Mogg out to sound sneering and insult everyone.
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    I think the EU want to do as much as possible to avoid being seen as interfering with UK domestic politics.

    less time forcing a no deal on us when Boris just needed more time to get the deal ratified at home
    more time giving remain a chance to get a second referendum.

    Giving GB (and NI) the extension requested is perfect. that way there's no charge of interference and if BOJO gets his election one way or another there's likely to be a majority in the house and deadlocks broken. Either way this is coming to an end soon.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,107
    Are we really, really sure there isn't some nefarious reason why it has to be done before the end of the year?
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    They've sent Rees Mogg out to sound sneering and insult everyone.

    To be fair, he's very good at it..
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Alejandrosdog wrote:
    I think the EU want to do as much as possible to avoid being seen as interfering with UK domestic politics.

    less time forcing a no deal on us when Boris just needed more time to get the deal ratified at home
    more time giving remain a chance to get a second referendum.

    Giving GB (and NI) the extension requested is perfect. that way there's no charge of interference and if BOJO gets his election one way or another there's likely to be a majority in the house and deadlocks broken. Either way this is coming to an end soon.
    end of the beginning... blather... foam... brexit... blitz... bully beef... rationing...
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,107
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    They've sent Rees Mogg out to sound sneering and insult everyone.

    To be fair, he's very good at it..

    He's really not - he genuinely thinks every one is a zinger.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Alejandrosdog wrote:
    Either way this is coming to an end soon.
    Ironic that one of your rare lucid interludes should end with the most obviously ludicrous thing you've ever posted ;-)
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,430
    Ian Dunt
    @IanDunt



    Queen's Speech passes.

    Ayes 310
    Noes 294

    Tom Brake: "If the leader of the House wants an election on December 12th, can he explain to the House what the purpose of the Queen's Speech was?"
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.

    Macron is just playing to his home electorate and divert away from France's internal problems. We've already seen that our treasonous MP's have agreed an extension with the French. It will be 31st January 2020
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    Anyway I don’t have a vote on whether Scotland leaves the UK and really don’t care if they do or not. If they do wish to leave then I will wish them well.

    Does this new found belief in self determination stretch as far as UK citizens and the EU or is self determination only ok as long as it doesn't affect you?

    Did you get an answer to this from our resident chaiwala?
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    bompington wrote:
    Alejandrosdog wrote:
    Either way this is coming to an end soon.
    Ironic that one of your rare lucid interludes should end with the most obviously ludicrous thing you've ever posted ;-)

    The night is always darkest before the dawn old bean
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,329
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.

    I'd be surprised if it was anything other that the 31st Jan 2020
    If only as it's the path of least resistance and no further voting or discussion is required.

    Though I've seen a good argument for the EU saying 31st December 2020
    Any member state can wield the veto on the extension and that's exactly what France did last time - cutting it down to the 7 months that is just coming to an end now. I would not put it past Macron to do the same again.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    They've sent Rees Mogg out to sound sneering and insult everyone.

    To be fair, he's very good at it..

    He's really not - he genuinely thinks every one is a zinger.

    Dunno. Whenever he loses his seat, there's always a career as a pantomime villain..
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,430
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.

    I'd be surprised if it was anything other that the 31st Jan 2020
    If only as it's the path of least resistance and no further voting or discussion is required.

    Though I've seen a good argument for the EU saying 31st December 2020
    Any member state can wield the veto on the extension and that's exactly what France did last time - cutting it down to the 7 months that is just coming to an end now. I would not put it past Macron to do the same again.

    Just to show he can?

    I can't see anyone risking a no deal in the run up to Christmas. Even the French.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics ... 1023190002

    See Botster and pals, it really is all your fault.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,513
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.

    I'd be surprised if it was anything other that the 31st Jan 2020
    If only as it's the path of least resistance and no further voting or discussion is required.

    Though I've seen a good argument for the EU saying 31st December 2020
    Any member state can wield the veto on the extension and that's exactly what France did last time - cutting it down to the 7 months that is just coming to an end now. I would not put it past Macron to do the same again.

    Just to show he can?

    I can't see anyone risking a no deal in the run up to Christmas. Even the French.

    No. He's made some noises about limiting it to 15 days but this seems fairly obviously not intended for international audiences.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Let's see what the EU say about the extension tomorrow - that could set the timetable. The 'Macron effect' could have pretty significant impact on what happens here.

    I'd be surprised if it was anything other that the 31st Jan 2020
    If only as it's the path of least resistance and no further voting or discussion is required.

    Though I've seen a good argument for the EU saying 31st December 2020
    Any member state can wield the veto on the extension and that's exactly what France did last time - cutting it down to the 7 months that is just coming to an end now. I would not put it past Macron to do the same again.

    Just to show he can?

    I can't see anyone risking a no deal in the run up to Christmas. Even the French.

    I think the just because he can is in there somewhere too. That is to say that the member states make the decision not tusk.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,135
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    They've sent Rees Mogg out to sound sneering and insult everyone.

    To be fair, he's very good at it..

    He's really not - he genuinely thinks every one is a zinger.

    Dunno. Whenever he loses his seat, there's always a career as a pantomime villain..
    I think he'd make a good tailor. Inside leg measurements and all that. He likes a traditional suit.

    Or a sommelier so he could carry on being snooty to all the people paying his wages.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    First Aspect wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    They've sent Rees Mogg out to sound sneering and insult everyone.

    To be fair, he's very good at it..

    He's really not - he genuinely thinks every one is a zinger.

    Dunno. Whenever he loses his seat, there's always a career as a pantomime villain..
    I think he'd make a good tailor. Inside leg measurements and all that. He likes a traditional suit.

    Or a sommelier so he could carry on being snooty to all the people paying his wages.

    Or maybe Herr Flick in a big-screen remake of Allo Allo...

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