BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Alejandrosdog

Imposter wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Well now.




James Forsyth
@JGForsyth
Big moment as former First Minister of Northern Ireland David Trimble declares that the new Brexit deal is ‘fully in accordance with the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement

https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/11 ... 3565966336

Good job the 'spirit' and the 'letter of the law' are not the same thing. One is subjective, the other isnt.

stop being rancid boy.

the spirit is as, if not more, important than the law in some circumstances.

Stevo_666

ddraver wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Yeah dickwad I'm trying to. You are so stupid you don't realize you're making it harder for us. Happy to leave you in the crap you created.

I thought you were already based in France? Seem to recall you posting a while back about working over there doing airport - resort transfers for holidaymakers?

The trouble has been for the last 10 years or so now I ve been in and out of the EU or Switzerland (which for this purpose counts in all important ways)

So...

3 years in NL
9 months in UK
2 years in NL
Winter in CH
Summer in F
Winter in CH
Summer in NL again
(vague realization that 3 years no longer counts as a career break so time to take it seriously)
Winter in CH
Summer in F

Winter in CH in a few weeks

You can see the problem. I have never got close to being able to apply for residence in any of those countries because I have moved about the EU. I'm no genius but I'm not a complete muppet so now the company I work for has offered me enough promotions/employment to make it feasible to live in Chamonix all year so that would be the plan but...There is a potential that I will not be able to.

I don't think I posted it here but one of the bigger (our rivals), British owned, transfer companies in Chamonix put up an advert saying that British people need not apply this year. It was swiftly removed as I suspect it wasn't allowed. Ironically because of an EU law...

It's now in French and says that Fluent English is mandatory but basic French - too basic to understand the advert - is 'only' desirable...

OK, my memory isn't that bad then.

As BB says, notwithstanding you have moved around a fair bit, as I understand it you should be OK to stay 'out there' if the deal is voted through.

Stevo_666

TheBigBean wrote:

ddraver wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

ddraver wrote:

so now the company I work for has offered me enough promotions/employment to make it feasible to live in Chamonix all year so that would be the plan but...There is a potential that I will not be able to.

Sounds good to me. And you can live there if the WA passes.

I thought your life was in rocks anyway?

Oily rocks tho...

Trouble with working with stuff that's millions of years old is that leaving it in the ground for plus/minus 10 years doesn't really matter...People do seem to be drilling holes again though which means I may have to make a decision again.

Change to hot rocks. They have a future although perhaps not in Chamonix.

I dunno, one of the best 'pierre chauds' I've had was in Cham.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

Because he's happy with the deal, it works well for the EU, and he wants it off their plate.

Stevo_666

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Alexander Brown
@AlexofBrown
Am told Seumas Milne informed staffers at Labour HQ he expects the deal to pass.

A nod's as good as a wink?

Over on the Labour thread, I suggested their best bet was to vote for the deal, but it seems they are going to pretend to vote against instead.

You mean by not whipping their MP's to tow the line?

Interesting snippet though.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

Because he's happy with the deal, it works well for the EU, and he wants it off their plate.

You'd think the EU would want the same and one way to do that would be to tell the UK no extension.

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

On the BBC yesterday one of the correspondents said "He has a tendency to shoot from the hip, particularly after lunch".

Stevo_666

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

On the BBC yesterday one of the correspondents said "He has a tendency to shoot from the hip, particularly after lunch".

There could be some truth in that.

shirley_basso

Who doesn't?

rjsterry

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

On the BBC yesterday one of the correspondents said "He has a tendency to shoot from the hip, particularly after lunch".

Very diplomatic.

Although having spent that much time with Johnson, entirely understandable.

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

Because he's happy with the deal, it works well for the EU, and he wants it off their plate.

You'd think the EU would want the same and one way to do that would be to tell the UK no extension.

Though, maybe on the other hand, they think that it would still be better for both the EU and the UK if the UK weren't to leave, and don't want to shut the door on that. But one can understand their frustration.

cycleclinic

Is it correct that because NI is tied into the EU VAT regime, NI is going to end up with a different VAT rate to the rest of the U.K. VAT is 23% in th republic. Will NI need to harmonise there rate with the republic? Not sure.

rolf_f

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

bradsbeard wrote:

I'm a remainer but sick to the back teeth of it all. Let's be honest any deal will not satisfy most people.

That mindset is why we are in this mess. "Sick to the back teeth of it all" is ultimately no better an attitude than that of A Dog. I'm pretty sure everyone who fought in WW2 was pretty much sick to the back teeth of it all but that wasn't regarded as a reason to give up.

Besides, as said repeatedly by many, getting this or any other deal won't stop Brexit being the number one news item for years and years and years. You need to get used to it.

my my what a loser you really are. It's not giving up to recognise that there might be a benefit to just getting it done and then move on. invoke the millions who died in the war if you like but its disrespectful in the extreme. Especially coming from someone like you with your anti democratic sneering liberalism.

Grow up.

TheBigBean

thecycleclinic wrote:

Is it correct that because NI is tied into the EU VAT regime, NI is going to end up with a different VAT rate to the rest of the U.K. VAT is 23% in th republic. Will NI need to harmonise there rate with the republic? Not sure.

I think, but am really not sure, that they need to be at least as high as the republics on goods, but not services. It can be discussed by the joint committee though. It should imagine this won't be popular,

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

Because he's happy with the deal, it works well for the EU, and he wants it off their plate.

You'd think the EU would want the same and one way to do that would be to tell the UK no extension.

Judging by the various interviews after Juncker's comment they do feel that way but are aware that the Commons vote will be tight and would still rather postpone than have a no deal Brexit.

cycleclinic

brexit has to be done. The deal on offer is better than no deal. Then the debate moves on to wehere it should be what next. Free trade agreement. EEA/customs union or jump back into the EU. We also get to sort out the political system that drove the resenment that lead to the brexit. We are not a nation at ease with itself. If brexit has shown us anything we have to address that. That cannot be done while arguing if we leave the EU or not. It will not happen if the U.K stays because the half of the nation thats pissed off wont listen. This sort of political discussion can only happen post brexit.

Labour are saying oppose the deal because workers rights come from EU law. Thats a shoddy reason. A EU law is U.K law after brexit. to stop the law being changed well you need a competant leader that can win elections or actually do opposition. Nothing is fixed in stone forever. Go the grow up comment Rolf F is a bit strong. I ticked of Alsen... earlier I'll tick you off now.

This is what brexit has done pissed people off. Unless we can move on and that does mean leaving the country is in danger of coming apart by the institustions of state being held in such comptemt by the public that the rule of law comes under treat through poltical interference of the police, judicary to get one parties goals Thats how democracies come undone. And dont think its just leavers who are peed off. Most people remain or leave voter are peed off and want to move on.

I am remainer too but it about time we left and then we can decide what sort of country we want to be. One day we may rejoin the EU once the dust settles if it ever does.

cycleclinic

TheBigBean wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

Is it correct that because NI is tied into the EU VAT regime, NI is going to end up with a different VAT rate to the rest of the U.K. VAT is 23% in th republic. Will NI need to harmonise there rate with the republic? Not sure.

I think, but am really not sure, that they need to be at least as high as the republics on goods, but not services. It can be discussed by the joint committee though. It should imagine this won't be popular,

That my reading too which means for mail order? Chain reaction charging more because they are based in NI. What about my shop selling to NI - I will have to set a different rate for customers with a BT postcode.

Then there is shops in NI. A bike shop there charge 23% VAT on a chainset but 20% on the labour for fitting it unless services dont mean shop labour. Bizarre but if that what it takes...

Leavers may not have know it at the time or even cared but the vote to leave the EU was also a vote to break up the U.K.

kingstongraham

Reported that the ERG have asked for confirmation from the Attorney General that this withdrawal agreement allows for exit with no deal at the end of 2020.

Longshot

thecycleclinic wrote:

Ce la Vie

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Enjoy using that phrase while you can

cycleclinic

No deal is still an outcome that quite possible at some point.

FocusZing

Double post.

FocusZing

rjsterry wrote:

There's a photo of Johnson, Barclay, Barnier, Varadkar, etc. this afternoon. All look relieved and happy as you would expect.

Apart from Johnson, who has that sheepish look.



Maybe I'm imagining but he doesn't look entirely at ease.

I think he looks ecstatic to me. He has a deal with the EU and has passed the can to the Commons for the MP's to procrastinate over yet again.

I think the deal will pass, it's about time other issues within the country are considered. In reality some form of compromise between both factions was the only real way this Cameron sh1t-fest was going to progress!

imposter2.0

rjsterry wrote:

There's a photo of Johnson, Barclay, Barnier, Varadkar, etc. this afternoon. All look relieved and happy as you would expect.

Apart from Johnson, who has that sheepish look.

He looks how he always looks - like a vacant tw@t..

rjsterry

Anyone with a few spare hours can find out exactly word for word what has changed between the two WAs here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... tually-new

rjsterry

thecycleclinic wrote:

No deal is still an outcome that quite possible at some point.

Indeed. Government whips walking a fine line between selling the deal to the ERG as a step away from a no deal exit and to the anti-no-dealers as the exact opposite.

FocusZing

Imposter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

There's a photo of Johnson, Barclay, Barnier, Varadkar, etc. this afternoon. All look relieved and happy as you would expect.

Apart from Johnson, who has that sheepish look.

He looks how he always looks - like a vacant tw@t..

He could be knocked in a few ways, but he's pretty far from being vacant.

TheBigBean

If all goes according to plan, no doubt politics in November will all be about whether or not to take the extension option in the withdrawal agreement.

Jez mon

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Merkel has just firmly knocked the "no prolongation" idea on the head.

During private EU summit talks on Brexit, the German chancellor told her fellow leaders they could not pretend an extension would not be offered to the UK if it was requested, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

OK, wonder why Juncker went out on a limb then?

Because he's happy with the deal, it works well for the EU, and he wants it off their plate.

You'd think the EU would want the same and one way to do that would be to tell the UK no extension.

I should think Merkel would rather we revoke though.

imposter2.0

FocusZing wrote:

Imposter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

There's a photo of Johnson, Barclay, Barnier, Varadkar, etc. this afternoon. All look relieved and happy as you would expect.

Apart from Johnson, who has that sheepish look.

He looks how he always looks - like a vacant tw@t..

He could be knocked in a few ways, but he's pretty far from being vacant.

Having a degree from Balliol does not preclude him from being a vacant tw@t.