BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Just just just "Brexit love island"Coopster the 1st wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:Mr Goo wrote:I see the most inappropriately named political party Lib Dems has decided to make it their policy to reverse Brexit.
That's tantamount to totalitarianism.....4 T words in a row I'm impressed with myself. I'll add another to make 5. Tw4ts.
You know a party is not to be trusted when even the latest MP to defect to them nicknames them the Fib Dems
Fortunately they have less chance of winning a majority than The Brexit Party which pleases me as it will cheese off most of the losers on this forum
I believe you and I are the only two on the whole forum that are in favour of Brexit.
Democracy is out the window now. Either with MPs deliberately going against the referendum and now with BoJo trying to gag parliament. It's a fuffin mess.
There are a few others, but Brexit has just reconfirmed what tw@ts the vast majority of the cycling community are and the reason I stepped back from its culture in 2014/2015.
Boris tried his approach to Brexit but it was rejected by Parliament. After the govt were unable to govern he showed leadership and rightly wanted to refer it to the country in an election to get the UK's future direction. There has been only one side, the remoaners, that have been scared of going back to the people via an election.
The electorate know this and judgement on MP's will be served when we get our chance.
Don't forget the backstop and agree to a withdrawal agreement first though..0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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TailWindHome wrote:
It is becoming clearer that MPs really do just want to revoke but have not got the bottle with the electorate. I doubt any government could work with this level of hysteria.0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:
judgement on MP's will be served when we get our chance.
Correct.0 -
The Lib Dems at least have a clear policy on Brexit. However having ruled out any sort of deal with Conservatives or Labour, they need to win about 310 extra seats at a GE to make it work. Which is maybe a tad optimistic, as even if they try to count on the likes of the SNP to support them on revoking that still means winning about 250.Pross wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:Mr Goo wrote:I see the most inappropriately named political party Lib Dems has decided to make it their policy to reverse Brexit.
That's tantamount to totalitarianism.....4 T words in a row I'm impressed with myself. I'll add another to make 5. Tw4ts.
You know a party is not to be trusted when even the latest MP to defect to them nicknames them the Fib Dems
Fortunately they have less chance of winning a majority than The Brexit Party which pleases me as it will cheese off most of the losers on this forum
I believe you and I are the only two on the whole forum that are in favour of Brexit.
Democracy is out the window now. Either with MPs deliberately going against the referendum and now with BoJo trying to gag parliament. It's a fuffin mess.
I'd like to hear the views of the remoaners on here about Poland and Hungary not observing one of the main tenants of the EU. Namely the rule of law and media not being interfered with by government. Both have right wing populist governments which gag the media and run the courts. The EU have tried to invoke Article 7 but Poland and Hungary just thumb their noses at Brussels.
You really are struggling to understand democracy aren't you? If a party clearly states their policy is to cancel Article 50 and they subsequently win a majority at a General Election then they have won a mandate to cancel Article 50. It trumps the referendum as a) it will be more recent and b) an election is binding, the referendum was advisory. It is as equally clear this is not undemocratic and it is that the Lib Dems won't be in a position to deliver their policy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Interesting - a possible loophole for BoJo.TailWindHome wrote:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
The Lib Dems at least have a clear policy on Brexit. However having ruled out any sort of deal with Conservatives or Labour, they need to win about 310 extra seats at a GE to make it work. Which is maybe a tad optimistic, as even if they try to count on the likes of the SNP to support them on revoking that still means winning about 250.Pross wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:Mr Goo wrote:I see the most inappropriately named political party Lib Dems has decided to make it their policy to reverse Brexit.
That's tantamount to totalitarianism.....4 T words in a row I'm impressed with myself. I'll add another to make 5. Tw4ts.
You know a party is not to be trusted when even the latest MP to defect to them nicknames them the Fib Dems
Fortunately they have less chance of winning a majority than The Brexit Party which pleases me as it will cheese off most of the losers on this forum
I believe you and I are the only two on the whole forum that are in favour of Brexit.
Democracy is out the window now. Either with MPs deliberately going against the referendum and now with BoJo trying to gag parliament. It's a fuffin mess.
I'd like to hear the views of the remoaners on here about Poland and Hungary not observing one of the main tenants of the EU. Namely the rule of law and media not being interfered with by government. Both have right wing populist governments which gag the media and run the courts. The EU have tried to invoke Article 7 but Poland and Hungary just thumb their noses at Brussels.
You really are struggling to understand democracy aren't you? If a party clearly states their policy is to cancel Article 50 and they subsequently win a majority at a General Election then they have won a mandate to cancel Article 50. It trumps the referendum as a) it will be more recent and b) an election is binding, the referendum was advisory. It is as equally clear this is not undemocratic and it is that the Lib Dems won't be in a position to deliver their policy.
I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.0 -
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'? 0 -
Woss A20 then? Is that the way to the cross channel ports when the M20 is one f off lorry park?0
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Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?0 -
Let's see how the Lib Dems vote if some agreement is put to parliament, then.Rick Chasey wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Let's see how the Lib Dems vote if some agreement is put to parliament, then.Rick Chasey wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?
Not that we don't know pretty well how they'll vote, but you're a little premature there. Johnson needs to find a deal acceptable to the EU before he puts it to parliament and to do that he needs to actually propose something. He's not even done that yet.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Come on Boris! get it done. these mincing liberals need a good shock.0
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Operative word highlighted above...rjsterry wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Let's see how the Lib Dems vote if some agreement is put to parliament, then.Rick Chasey wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?
Not that we don't know pretty well how they'll vote, but you're a little premature there. Johnson needs to find a deal acceptable to the EU before he puts it to parliament and to do that he needs to actually propose something. He's not even done that yet."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
rjsterry wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Let's see how the Lib Dems vote if some agreement is put to parliament, then.Rick Chasey wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?
Not that we don't know pretty well how they'll vote, but you're a little premature there. Johnson needs to find a deal acceptable to the EU before he puts it to parliament and to do that he needs to actually propose something. He's not even done that yet.
Not so.
He has proposed that a bridge be built between NI and Scotland for £15bn. It will be called the Boris Bridge and will be a feat of bridge-building that Trump's any other.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Operative word highlighted above...rjsterry wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Let's see how the Lib Dems vote if some agreement is put to parliament, then.Rick Chasey wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?
Not that we don't know pretty well how they'll vote, but you're a little premature there. Johnson needs to find a deal acceptable to the EU before he puts it to parliament and to do that he needs to actually propose something. He's not even done that yet.
It would make historians' task a simple one if Parliamentary approval was not sought.
May I assume Stevo that you approve of cutting Parliament out of the process?0 -
Parliament haven't been cut out of the process, they've voted for a no deal Brexit .0
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Stevo 666 wrote:
Operative word highlighted above...rjsterry wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Let's see how the Lib Dems vote if some agreement is put to parliament, then.Rick Chasey wrote:Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That would be the definition of irony.Ballysmate wrote:[I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
Also imagine the Lib Dems getting the blame for a no deal Brexit...
Fcuking Libdems. Dragging us out of the EU.
Bastards!
Or should that be, 'Swivel eyed, right wing bastards'?
You guys do well to blame parties who aren’t in government.
Surely they’re first in the queue for blame?
Not that we don't know pretty well how they'll vote, but you're a little premature there. Johnson needs to find a deal acceptable to the EU before he puts it to parliament and to do that he needs to actually propose something. He's not even done that yet.
Sure. Still no sign of a deal yet.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
The Lib Dems at least have a clear policy on Brexit. However having ruled out any sort of deal with Conservatives or Labour, they need to win about 310 extra seats at a GE to make it work. Which is maybe a tad optimistic, as even if they try to count on the likes of the SNP to support them on revoking that still means winning about 250.Pross wrote:Mr Goo wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:Mr Goo wrote:I see the most inappropriately named political party Lib Dems has decided to make it their policy to reverse Brexit.
That's tantamount to totalitarianism.....4 T words in a row I'm impressed with myself. I'll add another to make 5. Tw4ts.
You know a party is not to be trusted when even the latest MP to defect to them nicknames them the Fib Dems
Fortunately they have less chance of winning a majority than The Brexit Party which pleases me as it will cheese off most of the losers on this forum
I believe you and I are the only two on the whole forum that are in favour of Brexit.
Democracy is out the window now. Either with MPs deliberately going against the referendum and now with BoJo trying to gag parliament. It's a fuffin mess.
I'd like to hear the views of the remoaners on here about Poland and Hungary not observing one of the main tenants of the EU. Namely the rule of law and media not being interfered with by government. Both have right wing populist governments which gag the media and run the courts. The EU have tried to invoke Article 7 but Poland and Hungary just thumb their noses at Brussels.
You really are struggling to understand democracy aren't you? If a party clearly states their policy is to cancel Article 50 and they subsequently win a majority at a General Election then they have won a mandate to cancel Article 50. It trumps the referendum as a) it will be more recent and b) an election is binding, the referendum was advisory. It is as equally clear this is not undemocratic and it is that the Lib Dems won't be in a position to deliver their policy.
I assume that the Libdems will vote against any deal proposed. After all, if your position is to reverse A20, how can you vote for a deal that would enable Brexit?
Would be ironic if Libdems voting down a deal caused a No Deal Brexit.
They would be in a similar position with their previous stance of promising a second referendum though so it hasn't changed anything. I guess they can vote for a sensible deal as the vote would come before an election and any manifesto pledges won't have yet been made.0 -
Alejandrosdog wrote:Parliament haven't been cut out of the process, they've voted for a no deal Brexit .
Calling this out as they have literally done the opposite multiple times.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:Parliament haven't been cut out of the process, they've voted for a no deal Brexit .
Calling this out as they have literally done the opposite multiple times.
oh I thought the basis for leaving with no deal was because parliament voted on article 50. Its a sign of Parliaments collective lack of intellect and knowledge and its massive disfunction that we are where we are.
Im pretty certain nothing has materially changed.0 -
Mr Goo wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:Mr Goo wrote:I see the most inappropriately named political party Lib Dems has decided to make it their policy to reverse Brexit.
That's tantamount to totalitarianism.....4 T words in a row I'm impressed with myself. I'll add another to make 5. Tw4ts.
You know a party is not to be trusted when even the latest MP to defect to them nicknames them the Fib Dems
Fortunately they have less chance of winning a majority than The Brexit Party which pleases me as it will cheese off most of the losers on this forum
I believe you and I are the only two on the whole forum that are in favour of Brexit.
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13107468&start=140
So what is it? You can't read numbers, twenty percent of the people on this forum who voted leave actually meant remain but are too stupid to press the right button or you can't be bothered to do the slightest bit of research to back up your opinions? Got to be one of these.
Not that I'm posting clichés about brexiters.....Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:Parliament haven't been cut out of the process, they've voted for a no deal Brexit .
Calling this out as they have literally done the opposite multiple times.
Lie and blame, blame and lie. These are the tactics of our current regime and their supporters.0 -
Basically everyone?Stevo 666 wrote:
No idea. Who is saying it was renamed?Rick Chasey wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Don't think so. A feasible worst case scenario is just that. Not sure exactly what you mean by a 'base case'?Shirley Basso wrote:
Isn't this incorrect.Stevo 666 wrote:
Very true.Mr Goo wrote:Yellow Hammer document is a bureaucratic 'Worst Case' scenario without any mitigation should we leave EU without deal.
Pre take off safety videos on planes are worst case scenarios with mitigation. And we continue to fly on planes.
Some people seem to think it is some sort of accurate prediction of the future by a government they usually claim cannot organise a p1ss up in a brewery.
Its the base case scenario as per the leaked document which has been retitled for the release.
I thought it got renamed to worst case to make it more palatable?
The point that we all know is that the people who are actually looking at the impacts in the civil service all conclude it’s net shades of bad.
It’s disappointing that trust in the civil service was that fickle.
In any event and as mentioned above, reasonable worst case scenario planning is a pretty standard approach. We do it.
It is the same document as was leaked in August but with a different title...0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowhammerbobmcstuff wrote:
Basically everyone?Stevo 666 wrote:
No idea. Who is saying it was renamed?Rick Chasey wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
Don't think so. A feasible worst case scenario is just that. Not sure exactly what you mean by a 'base case'?Shirley Basso wrote:
Isn't this incorrect.Stevo 666 wrote:
Very true.Mr Goo wrote:Yellow Hammer document is a bureaucratic 'Worst Case' scenario without any mitigation should we leave EU without deal.
Pre take off safety videos on planes are worst case scenarios with mitigation. And we continue to fly on planes.
Some people seem to think it is some sort of accurate prediction of the future by a government they usually claim cannot organise a p1ss up in a brewery.
Its the base case scenario as per the leaked document which has been retitled for the release.
I thought it got renamed to worst case to make it more palatable?
The point that we all know is that the people who are actually looking at the impacts in the civil service all conclude it’s net shades of bad.
It’s disappointing that trust in the civil service was that fickle.
In any event and as mentioned above, reasonable worst case scenario planning is a pretty standard approach. We do it.
It is the same document as was leaked in August but with a different title...The Sunday Times, according to The Observer, said that a senior Whitehall source said "This is not Project Fear, this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios – not the worst case."0 -
Raab claiming that the reason we haven't put forward firm proposals is because that would be to fall into "a trap", but the EU still knows what we are proposing at a technical level.
Or just possibly there is no intention of putting forward a workable plan.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
If there's a chance that any deal being put to parliament is because of a loophole to allow no deal to happen, how should those who do not want no deal approach it? And for those who think it is good that the executive (who are now a minority government) is trying to find loopholes to get around parliament - can you explain why that is good in principle without mentioning the referendum result?0
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What an utter showers of shites this lot are. 26 days since Merkel gave them days 30 days to come up with an alternative plan and all they've come up with is a string of BS and lies.rjsterry wrote:Raab claiming that the reason we haven't put forward firm proposals is because that would be to fall into "a trap", but the EU still knows what we are proposing at a technical level.
Or just possibly there is no intention of putting forward a workable plan.
I expect on day 30 they'll claim they had a plan but the dog ate it, citing the offending dog to be a German shepherd to maintain the blame game.0
