BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I thought that ‘spoons boss’ drunken ramble was actually fairly on point when he said “they think we’re stupid....they do” or words to that effect.

Like Brexit punters give a sh!t about press conferences in Luxembourg. More reason to get rid of the buggers, right?

I reckon most people think anyone still engaged with day-to-day Westminster politics is some junkie mug. Parliament is just a loads tw@ts so give em all a kicking.

They'll still need to vote for someone come a GE and Johnson is just an MP like the other 649.

He’s not though is he?

He’s the most well known politician in Westminster.

Anyone who dislikes him already did and they’re baked into the polls.

Dislike is irrelevant if you don’t split your side of the vote.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I thought that ‘spoons boss’ drunken ramble was actually fairly on point when he said “they think we’re stupid....they do” or words to that effect.

Like Brexit punters give a sh!t about press conferences in Luxembourg. More reason to get rid of the buggers, right?

I reckon most people think anyone still engaged with day-to-day Westminster politics is some junkie mug. Parliament is just a loads tw@ts so give em all a kicking.

They'll still need to vote for someone come a GE and Johnson is just an MP like the other 649.

He’s not though is he?

He’s the most well known politician in Westminster.

Anyone who dislikes him already did and they’re baked into the polls.

Dislike is irrelevant if you don’t split your side of the vote.

In trying to keep both halves of his party together he is just doing the same as May with a bit more charisma. And now he can only call a GE when Jeremy says he can.

PhilipPirrip

sungod wrote:

seems clear that johnson is actually the incredible sulk

What an absolute coward. It is beyond emabarassing that this feckwit can't stand up and defend his BS over the past 26 days. Calling him an absolute coward is far too pilote.

tailwindhome

The PM refused to hold a press conference in Luxembourg because of noisy opposition.

This shouldn't come as a surprise. He asked the Queen to prorogue parliament for the same reason.

briantrumpet

rjsterry wrote:

In trying to keep both halves of his party together he is just doing the same as May with a bit more charisma. And now he can only call a GE when Jeremy says he can.

I was going to question your claim about charisma, then I remembered that Theresa May had less charisma than a mug of tepid Nescafé instant coffee with milk that's on the turn, in a mug that wasn't washed properly. But I'm still not sure if being a deliberately bumbling lying oaf who uses Latin to give an impression of intellect gives Johnson much claim to charisma.

Lagrange

I think that you should consider your metaphors - they don't work. Perhaps you don't.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I thought that ‘spoons boss’ drunken ramble was actually fairly on point when he said “they think we’re stupid....they do” or words to that effect.

Like Brexit punters give a sh!t about press conferences in Luxembourg. More reason to get rid of the buggers, right?

I reckon most people think anyone still engaged with day-to-day Westminster politics is some junkie mug. Parliament is just a loads tw@ts so give em all a kicking.

They'll still need to vote for someone come a GE and Johnson is just an MP like the other 649.

He’s not though is he?

He’s the most well known politician in Westminster.

Anyone who dislikes him already did and they’re baked into the polls.

Dislike is irrelevant if you don’t split your side of the vote.

In trying to keep both halves of his party together he is just doing the same as May with a bit more charisma. And now he can only call a GE when Jeremy says he can.

He hasn’t kept both sides together. He expelled 21 of the moderate side.

And the GE call is as much to do with the fixed term rule as him.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I thought that ‘spoons boss’ drunken ramble was actually fairly on point when he said “they think we’re stupid....they do” or words to that effect.

Like Brexit punters give a sh!t about press conferences in Luxembourg. More reason to get rid of the buggers, right?

I reckon most people think anyone still engaged with day-to-day Westminster politics is some junkie mug. Parliament is just a loads tw@ts so give em all a kicking.

They'll still need to vote for someone come a GE and Johnson is just an MP like the other 649.

He’s not though is he?

He’s the most well known politician in Westminster.

Anyone who dislikes him already did and they’re baked into the polls.

Dislike is irrelevant if you don’t split your side of the vote.

In trying to keep both halves of his party together he is just doing the same as May with a bit more charisma. And now he can only call a GE when Jeremy says he can.

He hasn’t kept both sides together. He expelled 21 of the moderate side.

And the GE call is as much to do with the fixed term rule as him.

Beyond those 21, he's attempted to keep the wider party together. He may not be succeeding.

Watching the Kuensburg interview this evening, he sounded like a man trapped by his previous promises, rather than someone with a cunning plan. Someone used to having proficient deputies who can make stuff happen, now finding that there are limits to their abilities. If Cameron is accurate, Johnson never intended it to get this far.

cycleclinic

It turns out bojo main strategy was to box himself in. There no evil mastermind behind this. The leadership truly have no idea what they are doing.

I'm not sure the lib dems have much of clue either. Who else thinks there latest policy is going back fire. I think However he will win the next GE so all that an extension will do it put back the current imminent doom till the end of January. And Christmas run up is spoiled by a GE perhaps or not as opposition will no doubt say again no deal must be off the table before a GE takes place. Will this ever end. Even kunesberg must be getting weary of it now.

Johnson never did want it to go this far. Remember after the referendum how quiet he was. Serves him right for wanting the job so much.

rick_chasey

https://www.ft.com/content/0a37d14c-d88 ... 216ebe1f17

Papers released last week about Operation Yellowhammer, the official plan to handle a no-deal withdrawal, suggested there would be a “low risk of significant sustained queues at ports outside of Kent which have high volumes of EU traffic”.

But Department for Transport documents dated August 2019 seen by the FT show this is only because tens of thousands of vehicles would be turned away for being “non-compliant”, meaning the drivers did not have the correct permits or completed the appropriate paperwork.

In Liverpool, Holyhead and Portsmouth about two-thirds of vehicles would not be allowed into the port in the aftermath of an abrupt exit from the EU, according to the papers marked “official sensitive”.

One person familiar with the matter said queues at ports such as Portsmouth would only remain manageable because so many vehicles would be turned away. “Queues to get through customs in ports outside of Kent will be OK only if you assume that traffic flows will be significantly reduced before vehicles get to the port,” he said. “Yellowhammer didn’t give us the full picture . . . one could say it was seriously misleading.”

One document sets out the volume of vehicles that will be allowed into the ports compared to usual, which it calls the flow rate. “One hundred per cent of non-compliant vehicles will be turned away, which means the resulting flow rate is 29 per cent at Holyhead, Heysham and Liverpool, and 32 per cent at Portsmouth.”

elbowloh

And where will all the vehicles that are turned away go?

If they think this won't cause chaos then they are just blatantly lying.

john80

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

mr_goo

Another extraordinary day in the life of Brexit is due to kick off. Better than any drama series the BBC can produce.

mr_goo

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

Agreed. Luxembourg seemingly churns out idiots for their PM (see Juncker). I've never heard such hyperventilating diatribe by a head of state in at least a week.

rick_chasey

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

Isn’t the main takeaway the Lux PM felt it worthwhile to attempt the whole thing at all, and so demonstrates the UK’s status on the international scene?

drhaggis

Can I say Boris is a snowflake, disurbed after his talk in No10, what, last week? 10 days ago?

darkhairedlord

Rick Chasey wrote:

https://www.ft.com/content/0a37d14c-d88 ... 216ebe1f17

Papers released last week about Operation Yellowhammer, the official plan to handle a no-deal withdrawal, suggested there would be a “low risk of significant sustained queues at ports outside of Kent which have high volumes of EU traffic”.

But Department for Transport documents dated August 2019 seen by the FT show this is only because tens of thousands of vehicles would be turned away for being “non-compliant”, meaning the drivers did not have the correct permits or completed the appropriate paperwork.

In Liverpool, Holyhead and Portsmouth about two-thirds of vehicles would not be allowed into the port in the aftermath of an abrupt exit from the EU, according to the papers marked “official sensitive”.

One person familiar with the matter said queues at ports such as Portsmouth would only remain manageable because so many vehicles would be turned away. “Queues to get through customs in ports outside of Kent will be OK only if you assume that traffic flows will be significantly reduced before vehicles get to the port,” he said. “Yellowhammer didn’t give us the full picture . . . one could say it was seriously misleading.”

One document sets out the volume of vehicles that will be allowed into the ports compared to usual, which it calls the flow rate. “One hundred per cent of non-compliant vehicles will be turned away, which means the resulting flow rate is 29 per cent at Holyhead, Heysham and Liverpool, and 32 per cent at Portsmouth.”

thats the latvians and slovaks stuffed then...

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

Isn’t the main takeaway the Lux PM felt it worthwhile to attempt the whole thing at all, and so demonstrates the UK’s status on the international scene?

Or possibly the PM of some insignificant country trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

rick_chasey

So insignificant the U.K. PM went to visit?

EU amplifies the significance of its member nations.

darkhairedlord

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

Isn’t the main takeaway the Lux PM felt it worthwhile to attempt the whole thing at all, and so demonstrates the UK’s status on the international scene?

Or possibly the PM of some insignificant country trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

Dom-cum failed to manage the show, major fail.
The fact a two-bit PM of a money laundering operation can humiliate the PM like this does, indeed, show the standing of our nation on the international stage and the contempt with which BJ is held.

rjsterry

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

If it was so important not to be embarrassed why leave the opportunity open? They made a spur of the moment decision to pull out and called it wrong; that's all.

imposter2.0

Stevo 666 wrote:

Or possibly the PM of some insignificant country trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

Spoken like a true arrogant little englander...

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

So insignificant the U.K. PM went to visit?

EU amplifies the significance of its member nations.

The main purpose of the visit to meet Juncker. Just happened to be Luxembourg.

Stevo_666

Imposter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Or possibly the PM of some insignificant country trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

Spoken like a true arrogant little englander...

Wrong. But you're doing a good impression of a judgmental tw@t.

kingstongraham

thecycleclinic wrote:

I'm not sure the lib dems have much of clue either. Who else thinks there latest policy is going back fire.

I don't see how it can. They want to be the party of remain. If in some crazy twist of fate they win power, that's a pretty strong mandate for remain but even they aren't thinking that's a possibility. If they hold the balance of power, they fall back to the 2nd referendum they've been banging the drum for the last three years.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So insignificant the U.K. PM went to visit?

EU amplifies the significance of its member nations.

The main purpose owasf the visit to meet Juncker. Just happened to be Luxembourg.

It didn't just happen to be Luxembourg. Johnson didn't want to be seen to be having to go to Brussels.

darkhairedlord

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So insignificant the U.K. PM went to visit?

EU amplifies the significance of its member nations.

The main purpose owasf the visit to meet Juncker. Just happened to be Luxembourg.

They met in a restuarant, Why do that? They squeezed him in during a lunch break as they knew he nothing to show.

Longshot

KingstonGraham wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

I'm not sure the lib dems have much of clue either. Who else thinks there latest policy is going back fire.

I don't see how it can. They want to be the party of remain. If in some crazy twist of fate they win power, that's a pretty strong mandate for remain but even they aren't thinking that's a possibility. If they hold the balance of power, they fall back to the 2nd referendum they've been banging the drum for the last three years.

It still amazes me that, at May's snap election, the LDs didn't just go with a one word manifesto - "Remain". They had nothing to lose, let's face it.

Stevo_666

darkhairedlord wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

Isn’t the main takeaway the Lux PM felt it worthwhile to attempt the whole thing at all, and so demonstrates the UK’s status on the international scene?

Or possibly the PM of some insignificant country trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

Dom-cum failed to manage the show, major fail.
The fact a two-bit PM of a money laundering operation can humiliate the PM like this does, indeed, show the standing of our nation on the international stage and the contempt with which BJ is held.

Some people think the Lux PM made himself look like a nobody after his 15 minutes of fame. I suppose at least I know who the Lux PM is now, which kind of backs up my point

darkhairedlord

Stevo 666 wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Have a listen to yourself. A foreign PM is doing a joint press conference and you decide that the best backdrop is in front of a negative crowd for the PM you are hosting. The guest then requests it to be moved inside and your refuse. Would you be so accommodating if we made a guest foreign leader give a press conference next to the gates of Downing street where there are a lot of people chanting negative remarks. How to make friends and influence people with any number of foreign dignitaries that may get a rough ride in the UK. Yesterday was more embarrassing for the Luxembourg PM than it was for Boris in my view and showed a complete lack of professionalism or diplomacy.

Isn’t the main takeaway the Lux PM felt it worthwhile to attempt the whole thing at all, and so demonstrates the UK’s status on the international scene?

Or possibly the PM of some insignificant country trying to get his 15 minutes of fame?

Dom-cum failed to manage the show, major fail.
The fact a two-bit PM of a money laundering operation can humiliate the PM like this does, indeed, show the standing of our nation on the international stage and the contempt with which BJ is held.

Some people think the Lux PM made himself look like a nobody after his 15 minutes of fame. I suppose at least I know who the Lux PM is now, which kind of backs up my point

Actually, I think it may be dom-cums management of BJ that is at the heart here.
Think about the tory party leadership battle. DC stopped him from debating against a large field, prefers a limited number of journos for informal chats rather than a press conference, prorouges parliament.
I think DC knows BJ is unable to concentrate and can't cope with the distractions when pressed and might just fall apart.