BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

elbowloh

He only brought the folder to show he wasn't like David Davis who turned up without any paperwork.

elbowloh

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

bompington wrote:

So, Johnson: on a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious is it that every single word that comes out of his mouth these days is a dog whistle to the voters he's hoping to entice from the BP, and only them? And that that is the sum total of his (Cummings') strategy?

Polls would suggest it's working as per my posts earlier.

If he wins a general election with 35% of the vote, he will treat it as if it is a referendum win for no-deal.

Indeed, but hopefully there won't be another GE for a while.

We've already had one since the referendum, we don't need another.

kingstongraham

elbowloh wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

bompington wrote:

So, Johnson: on a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious is it that every single word that comes out of his mouth these days is a dog whistle to the voters he's hoping to entice from the BP, and only them? And that that is the sum total of his (Cummings') strategy?

Polls would suggest it's working as per my posts earlier.

If he wins a general election with 35% of the vote, he will treat it as if it is a referendum win for no-deal.

Indeed, but hopefully there won't be another GE for a while.

We've already had one since the referendum, we don't need another.

Sure. Sure.

darkhairedlord

BJ Empty chaired.

bobmcstuff

KingstonGraham wrote:

elbowloh wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

bompington wrote:

So, Johnson: on a scale of 1 to 10, how obvious is it that every single word that comes out of his mouth these days is a dog whistle to the voters he's hoping to entice from the BP, and only them? And that that is the sum total of his (Cummings') strategy?

Polls would suggest it's working as per my posts earlier.

If he wins a general election with 35% of the vote, he will treat it as if it is a referendum win for no-deal.

Indeed, but hopefully there won't be another GE for a while.

We've already had one since the referendum, we don't need another.

Sure. Sure.

I think he's right, but we'll end up with a GE anyway.

Something needs to happen one way or another and a 2nd ref seems to be completely toxic.

rjsterry

darkhairedlord wrote:

BJ Empty chaired.

When the Hulk stayed inside because a group of about 30 people were shouting.

darkhairedlord

rjsterry wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

BJ Empty chaired.

When the Hulk stayed inside because a group of about 30 people were shouting.

Dom-Cum is gonna be spitting over this...

kingstongraham

bobmcstuff wrote:

I think he's right, but we'll end up with a GE anyway.

Something needs to happen one way or another and a 2nd ref seems to be completely toxic.

If you are going to treat the result of an election as if it were a referendum, there's only one reason to have an election instead of a referendum on no-deal.

It's the same reason why a 2nd ref would be viewed as toxic by those who want a no-deal.

Longshot

darkhairedlord wrote:

BJ Empty chaired.

Where's the tub of lard?

kingstongraham

Blah blah blah chlorinated chicken blah blah

morstar

darkhairedlord wrote:

morstar wrote:

Is there a possibility that BJ's refusal to accept an extension can be equally interpreted that the deal will be forced through.
Effectively kick the can down the road on the backstop. i.e. deal with that if and when it becomes likely.
Is he playing both hands like TM. Trying to force Eu to bend while simultaneously making the May deal more palatable to HoC? Same tactic, just presented very differently?

pretty much my view, he's presenting the "no-deal" option as a threat to EU when it's actually a threat to parliament.

Glad it's not just me. The message of don't even bother offering an extension is so counter to the law stating he must ask for one (if no deal agreed) means he is either 100% committed to no-deal and has a plan, or that he is trying to force parliament to vote for the deal for fear of the cunning plan.
His single measure of success is 31/10/2019. If he accepts he can't bend the Eu and his hands are tied with No deal, he has to bend parliament.
If he does get the deal through parliament by 31/10, it would be quite an accomplishment.

slowbike

Junglebook

Buzzie: [to Flaps] Okay, so what we gonna do?
Flaps: I don’t know, what you wanna do?
Buzzie: Look, Flaps, first I say, “What we gonna do?” Then you say, “I don’t know, what you wanna do?” Then I say, “What we gonna do?” You say, “What you wanna do?” “What we gonna do?” “What you want…” Let’s do SOMETHING!
Flaps: Okay. What you wanna do?
Buzzie: Oh, blimey! There you go again. The same notes again!
Ziggy: I’ve got it! This time, I’ve really got it!
Buzzie: Now you’ve got it. So what we gonna do?

tailwindhome

darkhairedlord wrote:

BJ Empty chaired.

As you'd expect reaction to this is split along Remain/Leave lines.

However, I don't think it's partisan to say that Johnson's premiership is starting to get that air that nothing can go right.
That's tough to turn around.

pblakeney

You know things are messed up when our Prime Minister is a BJ.
And that is seems quite appropriate at that.

morstar

TailWindHome wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

BJ Empty chaired.

As you'd expect reaction to this is split along Remain/Leave lines.

However, I don't think it's partisan to say that Johnson's premiership is starting to get that air that nothing can go right.
That's tough to turn around.

I genuinely don't think he will be judged a failure until after his premiership ends or Brexit goes through and is a sh*t show.
There is enough of the electorate who accept he is being stopped from leading solely along Brexit divisions. There is nothing to turn around until that carefully crafted excuse no longer applies.

rick_chasey

TailWindHome wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

BJ Empty chaired.

As you'd expect reaction to this is split along Remain/Leave lines.

However, I don't think it's partisan to say that Johnson's premiership is starting to get that air that nothing can go right.
That's tough to turn around.

Mmmm I think the latter is overrated. As long as the message keeps getting through.

I think the US is illustrative not just in terms of the Trump/BoJo comparisons, but more in terms of the election winner is likely to be the side who energises their base the most, because so much of the population is already polarised.

If you take the Leave/Remain split in the UK as both relatively even and static, it's about how many of the leave/remain voters (whichever side you pick) you can get to vote for you.

Tories are gunning for Brexit party votes, remain voters are split between LDs and Labour.

I think the Tories are doing a good job. It's not genius stuff, but I *do* think Cummings has a good sense for what cuts through the noise to voters and what is noise.

As far as I can tell it's working. BoJo is all over the TV in campaign mode saying things to Brexit Party voters. I can't remember the last time i saw Corbyn or Swinson on TV.

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mmmm I think the latter is overrated. As long as the message keeps getting through.

I think the US is illustrative not just in terms of the Trump/BoJo comparisons, but more in terms of the election winner is likely to be the side who energises their base the most, because so much of the population is already polarised.

If you take the Leave/Remain split in the UK as both relatively even and static, it's about how many of the leave/remain voters (whichever side you pick) you can get to vote for you.

Tories are gunning for Brexit party votes, remain voters are split between LDs and Labour.


I think the Tories are doing a good job. It's not genius stuff, but I *do* think Cummings has a good sense for what cuts through the noise to voters and what is noise.

As far as I can tell it's working. BoJo is all over the TV in campaign mode saying things to Brexit Party voters. I can't remember the last time i saw Corbyn or Swinson on TV.

He also knows that the cameras have to follow the PM. It's exactly the same with Trump - whatever he says is reported as news, whether it's an outright lie or blatant use of the office for electioneering.

rick_chasey

Woah, don't take the "tories doing a good job" out of that very specific context...

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

I think the Tories are doing a good job.

What??

elbowloh

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I think the Tories are doing a good job. It's not genius stuff, but I *do* think Cummings has a good sense for what cuts through the noise to voters and what is noise.

As far as I can tell it's working. BoJo is all over the TV in campaign mode saying things to Brexit Party voters. I can't remember the last time i saw Corbyn or Swinson on TV.

He also knows that the cameras have to follow the PM. It's exactly the same with Trump - whatever he says is reported as news, whether it's an outright lie or blatant use of the office for electioneering.

I certainly despair over the state of the Labour party.

They have not provided an effective opposition as they can't even agree amongst themselves about what they actually stand for now, on Brexit as well as on pretty much any other issue. in the event of a GE, Conservative voters who don't like Boris or no-deal are not attracted to Labour and will turn to the Lib Dems, who do have a clear message, but will not win enough votes to form a government.

rick_chasey

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I think the Tories are doing a good job.

What??

Rick Chasey wrote:

Woah, don't take the "tories doing a good job" out of that very specific context...

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I think the Tories are doing a good job.

What??

Rick Chasey wrote:

very

Selective quoting at its finest. Proud of that.

kingstongraham

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

rjsterry

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Plays well to the Brexit crowd, mind.

PhilipPirrip

To be clear, Boris ran away from a press conference. Raahh, the Hulk!

sungod

seems clear that johnson is actually the incredible sulk

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

In one limited area, I am fully supportive of Boris.

There is no way he should have done that press conference outside.

It suggests a lack of forethought. By now he should realise this is the situation he's built for himself and have briefed the Luxembourg team well ahead of time. Not cancelled with half an hour to go when it can be quite reasonably argued that everything is already set up and it's too late to change venue.

Plays well to the Brexit crowd, mind.

So would nobly persevering while the 'yobbos' shouted in the background.

rick_chasey

I thought that ‘spoons boss’ drunken ramble was actually fairly on point when he said “they think we’re stupid....they do” or words to that effect.

Like Brexit punters give a sh!t about press conferences in Luxembourg. More reason to get rid of the buggers, right?

I reckon most people think anyone still engaged with day-to-day Westminster politics is some junkie mug. Parliament is just a loads tw@ts so give em all a kicking.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

I thought that ‘spoons boss’ drunken ramble was actually fairly on point when he said “they think we’re stupid....they do” or words to that effect.

Like Brexit punters give a sh!t about press conferences in Luxembourg. More reason to get rid of the buggers, right?

I reckon most people think anyone still engaged with day-to-day Westminster politics is some junkie mug. Parliament is just a loads tw@ts so give em all a kicking.

They'll still need to vote for someone come a GE and Johnson is just an MP like the other 649.