BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rjsterry wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
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    Lengthy argument on whether the proposed bill requires queens consent. Tl;dr - it probably does which means the government could block it.

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/09/ ... s-consent/

    Bercow has given the matter consideration and concluded it does not need Queen's consent. More constitutional outrage, but who cares?

    Not read it all, but near the top the article does say that the Speaker makes the decision on whether Queen's Consent is required.

    A decision which should be based on legal advice.
    Bill Cash has raised the exact same blog in the HoC just now....are you Bill Cash? :)

    I was posting about the speaker's response to Bill Cash's question. I am not him.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    edited September 2019
    Rumblings of dissent in the 1922 committee at the actions and manner of Cummings. I wonder how long before he is writing pi**y articles in the Telegraph, explaining that if only they'd listened to him...
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    TheBigBean wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Lengthy argument on whether the proposed bill requires queens consent. Tl;dr - it probably does which means the government could block it.

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/09/ ... s-consent/

    Bercow has given the matter consideration and concluded it does not need Queen's consent. More constitutional outrage, but who cares?

    Not read it all, but near the top the article does say that the Speaker makes the decision on whether Queen's Consent is required.

    A decision which should be based on legal advice.
    Bill Cash has raised the exact same blog in the HoC just now....are you Bill Cash? :)

    I was posting about the speaker's response to Bill Cash's question. I am not him.

    Makes sense. I thought it was a long shot. This doesn't feel like the sort of place he would hang out.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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    This is a spoof, right?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Nope.
  • Beggars belief
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Labour looking for a GE in November to make sure Benn Bill is enacted. SNP more gung-ho; not sure about others.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry wrote:
    Labour looking for a GE in November to make sure Benn Bill is enacted. SNP more gung-ho; not sure about others.

    If Conservatives don't campaign for a no deal, they will lose seats because of the Brexit party, if they do campaign for a no deal, I've no idea what they will lose to anybody else. If the other parties work together, it could be big, for example to stop people voting Labour in a constituency like mine. Could be yet another addition to the worst PMs in living memory this year.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    rjsterry wrote:
    Labour looking for a GE in November to make sure Benn Bill is enacted. SNP more gung-ho; not sure about others.

    If Conservatives don't campaign for a no deal, they will lose seats because of the Brexit party, if they do campaign for a no deal, I've no idea what they will lose to anybody else. If the other parties work together, it could be big, for example to stop people voting Labour in a constituency like mine. Could be yet another addition to the worst PMs in living memory this year.

    I've seen a few Brexiters claiming that with the Tories on 35% and TBP on 15% they can win a GE, forgetting that the two parties are competing for the same voters.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Nicholas Soames pays tribute to the prime minister and the leader of the house "whose serial disloyalty has been such an inspiration to so many of us".
  • John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
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    Second reading of Hilary Benn bill to block a no-deal Brexit passed by 329-300, majority 29, so one more supporter than yesterday
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • A big part of the UK's problem right now is the high number of low calibre MPs in the House
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    A big part of the UK's problem right now is the high number of low calibre MPs in the House

    And the low esteem that public servants now enjoy across the board thanks to a sustained and vicious campaign by our very right wing media over a long period.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    What a f***ing coward. Reports from the 1922 that Johnson, under pressure to reinstate the whip to the 21, used the excuse that this would undermine the chief whip.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Richard Corbett
    @RCorbettMEP
    · Sep 3
    The Finnish Presidency of the EU Council of ministers @EUCouncil confirmed in answer to my question in @EPInstitutional that there has been NO NEW PROPOSAL received from the UK government on the Irish #backstop or any other aspect of #Brexit
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Robert88 wrote:
    A big part of the UK's problem right now is the high number of low calibre MPs in the House

    And the low esteem that public servants now enjoy across the board thanks to a sustained and vicious campaign by our very right wing media over a long period.


    I haven't been following the last couple of hours
    Apparently they passed the Kinnock amendment by mistake
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Darran Marshall
    @DarranMarshall
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    MPs voted to block a No Deal #brexit - on a margin of 52% to 48
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Sam Coates Sky
    @SamCoatesSky
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    Rebel alliance clearly dismayed by passing of Kinnock amendment. Nobody sure how binding it is. Everyone urgently trying to work out how serious this is for their plan.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • PARLY
    @PARLYapp
    · 32m
    It appears there were no ‘no’ tellers in place for the Kinnock amendment and therefore it passed.



    A cock up or a govt trap?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    Whoops.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Hahaha, that is both ridiculous and hilarious in equal measure
  • Sam Coates Sky
    @SamCoatesSky
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    Rebel alliance clearly dismayed by passing of Kinnock amendment. Nobody sure how binding it is. Everyone urgently trying to work out how serious this is for their plan.

    The elephant trap was plainly too obvious but have the remoaners taken their eye off the ball and got caught in the bear trap :lol:
  • Which are the rebels now?
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    Beth Desmond@languesbians
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • The elephant trap was plainly too obvious but have the remoaners taken their eye off the ball and got caught in the bear trap :lol:

    So...explain the trap
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    To think Goo was suggesting a 23 year old would lack the ability to do the job properly, this current shower are showing he would probably be over-qualified.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    The elephant trap was plainly too obvious but have the remoaners taken their eye off the ball and got caught in the bear trap :lol:

    So...explain the trap

    If there was a trap it appears to have been the Government were hoping that letting it go through would waste time with the rebels trying to get it back out but it seems they saw the trap and didn't fight it.

    It would be funny if May's deal goes through as a result of all this. JRM won't be lounging around if that looks like happening.
  • I don't quite understand what has just happened and who sets to gain from it. Excuse my ignorance. Can someone explain?
  • The elephant trap was plainly too obvious but have the remoaners taken their eye off the ball and got caught in the bear trap :lol:

    So...explain the trap

    I can't but then I do not have the political legal brilliance of those in the Boris camp.

    I can only speculate that it allows the Lords to send it back to the Commons(ping-pong)? (if it even gets debated in the Lords). Lords will deal with it on Friday, when the commons does not sit.

    However, we'll only know its political or legal significance when John Bercow finally works it out and he spontaneously combusts :lol: