BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

1…11731174117611781179…2110

Comments

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,917
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Just a thought

    It would take an extraordinary level of gullibility to believe that Farage and The Brexit Party will leave the stage even if we leave the EU with no deal on 31st Oct.

    There's always a betrayal narrative

    He left before. Why don't you think he would again?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,419
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    We're never going to be rule takers long term.
    Sounds like you're in favour of a no deal Brexit?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    We're never going to be rule takers long term.
    Sounds like you're in favour of a no deal Brexit?

    No, currently we are part of the rule making body. I'm in favour of staying there.

    But realistically, I can't see how an economy our size long term takes rules from a bloc we aren't part of (and aren't trying to join). So if we leave, we aren't going to be part of the single market or customs union without a say in their rules (which is unlikely).

    Short-medium term, leaving with a deal that keeps us aligned while we work out what the hell that means is more sensible than leaving and immediately finding out that it turns out to be complicated after all.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    The rebel bill

    The list of signatories is interesting

    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status ... 53/photo/4
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    TailWindHome wrote:
    The rebel bill

    The list of signatories is interesting

    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status ... 53/photo/4

    The bill even includes the text of the letter the PM has to send. They really don't trust him.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Apparantly Boris is saying tie my hands and I ask for a GE. The poeple get to decide.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    TheBigBean wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Just a thought

    It would take an extraordinary level of gullibility to believe that Farage and The Brexit Party will leave the stage even if we leave the EU with no deal on 31st Oct.

    There's always a betrayal narrative

    He left before. Why don't you think he would again?

    He took a sabbatical at LBC if that's what you mean. He couldn't stand not being in the news.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    The rebel bill

    The list of signatories is interesting

    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status ... 53/photo/4

    The bill even includes the text of the letter the PM has to send. They really don't trust him.

    Well obviously. He's repeatedly demonstrated that any trust is misplaced.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,917
    TailWindHome wrote:
    The rebel bill

    The list of signatories is interesting

    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status ... 53/photo/4

    Groundhog day.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    What will Johnson have to say at 6?

    GE 10/10? He's doing it again?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    First signs of regret from Rudd. She thinks excommunication is a bit OTT for those unable to convince Johnson of their true faith.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    Well, that was... Underwhelming
    Fat chopper. Some racing. Some testing. Some crashing.
    Specialising in Git Daaahns and Cafs. Norvern Munkey/Transplanted Laaandoner.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    These nutters have been kept at arms length for the last 30 years, they have a sniff of power and it's gone to their heads.. They'll gamble everything we have to keep in power. This is high stakes poker with no cards a grenade in his pocket. Utter tw@ts the lot of them.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Government is going down. Obviously bojo is worried.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,419
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    These nutters have been kept at arms length for the last 30 years,
    40 years - 1979 was the last time a hard left Labour government was in charge.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    These nutters have been kept at arms length for the last 30 years, they have a sniff of power and it's gone to their heads.. They'll gamble everything we have to keep in power. This is high stakes poker with no cards a grenade in his pocket. Utter tw@ts the lot of them.

    Widdecombe's missed out. Less dishonest but just as much a crackpot.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    So as he can not call an election is he saying that he will take his twattishness to new levels which in some way will trigger a GE?

    I am still 100% convinced he is bluffing as won’t want his name in the history books as the shortest term prime minister.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    edited September 2019
    TailWindHome wrote:
    The rebel bill

    The list of signatories is interesting

    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status ... 53/photo/4

    Have I missed the bit saying what happens if the EU refuse an extension? Also, there's the obvious question of what then happens in the 3 month, or whatever the EU offer, extension? We're at an impasse and an extension isn't going to solve that.
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Surprising ?

    Quite a good, short thread.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ffbpe/status ... 7900108800
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Now labour saying they wont vote for a GE until there is a Brexit extension in place. FFS labour..
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Now labour saying they wont vote for a GE until there is a Brexit extension in place. FFS labour..


    *Admiral Ackbar gif*
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Surprising ?

    Quite a good, short thread.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ffbpe/status ... 7900108800
    Well it's all true, but it does come across as a bit of a rehash of every tired old anti-capitalist conspiracist trope going. She could equally have been going on about the multinationals trying to overrule national sovereignty so they can rule the world and it would have looked identical. Surprised she didn't mention Soros and the Jews.

    Fundamentally, there are a lot of causes of all this Brexit madness, but the "manipulative capitalists" and "general public are stupid" (latter is a literal quote from thread) story is only two steps away from "democracy is pointless, they need someone wise and strong to guide them".
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    bompington wrote:
    Shirley Basso wrote:
    Surprising ?

    Quite a good, short thread.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ffbpe/status ... 7900108800
    Well it's all true, but it does come across as a bit of a rehash of every tired old anti-capitalist conspiracist trope going. She could equally have been going on about the multinationals trying to overrule national sovereignty so they can rule the world and it would have looked identical. Surprised she didn't mention Soros and the Jews.

    Fundamentally, there are a lot of causes of all this Brexit madness, but the "manipulative capitalists" and "general public are stupid" (latter is a literal quote from thread) story is only two steps away from "democracy is pointless, they need someone wise and strong to guide them".

    What you just wrote is complete twaddle. It's true there's a lot of old stuff there but no reason not be reminded now and then. Democracy can't work if the process is corrupted, that's for sure.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    There are absolutely certain players who are in the leave game for tax reasons.

    I would say the likelihood that the Barclay Bros are in that camp are very high.
    _
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Robert88 wrote:
    [What you just wrote is complete twaddle.
    I love a bit of good reasoned argument, glad you do too
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    So no alternatives on the backstop yet?

    That is the UK’s real weakness in its bargaining position.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    bompington wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    [What you just wrote is complete twaddle.
    I love a bit of good reasoned argument, glad you do too
    Well, if you edit down what people write...

    Yes, it was a fairly one-sided thread, but as you acknowledge, not untrue. It would be odd if those with the means, on either side of the debate, did not use those means to swing the result towards what they perceive to be their interests. There's not really a practical way to restrict wealthy people from buying greater political influence in one form or another.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Now labour saying they wont vote for a GE until there is a Brexit extension in place. FFS labour..
    To be fair, why should Labour give the Liar Johnson what he wants re a GE. He wanted to be PM and he is PM. We have fixed term parliaments. TM over-ruled that to increase her majority and it got us where we are now. It would be a shocking waste of money to have yet another election when the result will be probably another minor party like the DUP extracting another large wad of underserved cash to keep the current bunch of waster incompetents in power.
    No, he needs to be made to sit and stew and if he can't take it he can resign and hand over to a less unworthy successor. Even in the Conservative party it shouldn't be that hard to find someone less crap than Johnson. Someone give May her old job back.......
    Faster than a tent.......
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    TailWindHome wrote:
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Now labour saying they wont vote for a GE until there is a Brexit extension in place. FFS labour..


    *Admiral Ackbar gif*
    The Star Wars jokes pretty much write themselves at the moment. Although I can't imagine Johnson admitting to being someone's father.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So no alternatives on the backstop yet?

    That is the UK’s real weakness in its bargaining position.

    So that Peter Foster confirms the U.K. strategy is just to run down the and nothing else.
    _

Categories